Your Love Life Isn’t a Lifetime Movie

On St Patty’s day, I met 25 yr old J at a bar. We had a nice night that ended in kissing. Since that night he kept in touch with me every day via text, but bc he was busy with work and night classes we didn’t see each other much. Since he didn’t make much time to see me I took this as classic “he’s not that into you” even though he seemed like a really nice shy sweet guy. So when he wanted to hang out if I had time, we would meet up with a drink–sometimes with his friends. The most we did over knowing each other was kiss a handful of times. Each time we hung out we had a good time, I could tell, and then he started to want to hang out more frequently, but I didn’t take him too seriously because he never put in that much effort.

I also rejoined OKCupid in mid April. After a string of mediocre dates, I met 35 year old M. M and I hit it off right away and I could tell we had a good first date. He did all the right things. Made time to see me, send me cute little emails or texts every day, bought flowers, made dinner. We get along really well too but I had some reservations about our compatibility. And he is a MAN and this really intimidated me because I usually date boyish guys. Three weeks after meeting M, I had drinks with J and told him I had started seeing someone, but I liked him and his friends and hoped we could be friends. I didn’t think he would mind at all. But he got upset! It really surprised me. He begged me to meet with him later in the week to hear him out. He apologized to me for not making it clear how much he liked me, he told me he was willing to put in the time and effort to make a relationship and that he really liked me. I said we could only be friends, but I must admit after a year of dating losers, the attention was flattering and felt really nice. Also, I think I was protecting myself and didn’t want to get too invested in M because I had been hurt a few time via OKC. Since then, J and I hung out about 1-2 a week just as friends. During this time, M told me he wasn’t seeing anyone else and I said me either, which was technically true :/

M went out of town for a weekend, and I spent a day with J. Just having lunch, running errands, and I had a great great time. But I wasn’t feeling conflicted until M got back and I felt like we didn’t connect. He is more the strong silent type and I wanted to connect via talking when he got back into town and he wanted to connect by having sex. I got really confused and conflicted and acted standoffish to M and a little bit mean. I am not proud of how I acted. M is a smart, intuitive guy who had been through a lot in life and relationships. He knew something was off right away. And he kept probing–”What happened when I was away?” “This isn’t like you.” He kept pushing a little. Finally, I broke down but I LIED and told him I ran into an old friend over the weekend who said he had feelings for me and I was conflicted. But I thought about it and wanted to be with him. The next day, we talked about it some more and I LIED again and told him, I had actually made plans to see the guy. Then the next day, M told me I had to tell him the whole story because he would not put up with lying and I had to figure out what my heart wants. After a day of thinking about everything, I told M the whole entire truth and told him I wanted to be with him and that I would not see J again. He said he was happy for the truth and happy to be with me because he really likes me and wanted to try to put effort into making the relationship work (he said in his last relationship, which was 5 years long, they didn’t communicate or put effort and that was their downfall and that he learned from those mistakes). Maybe, me being naive, I thought everything would be fine from then on, but it still took a few more days of talking about things. I just wanted to sweep it under the rug. Since that time when I admitted the truth, most of the time things have been really good between M and I. We just had two really great weekends in a row, and we are doing well. But this week, he asked if I had heard from J. I told the truth and said he wrote me emails a few times, but I didn’t respond to the last one and I hadn’t talked to him in weeks. I got upset that he even brought it up! I think it should be done by now! And I got angry and we fought a little. My girlfriends agree, but my guy friends say it is going to take some more time to build back the trust and his ego is bruised. Do you think he can get past this? He said he doesn’t want to control me or police me, he just wants to be in an open honest relationship and it still hurts that I lied to him.

The thing is I apologized over and over and I told him why I did it. And what’s even more, is that I’m not really a liar, I am a pretty good, solid, dependable person who only wants the best for people. So I get so upset that he views me as a liar and/or cheat. Because I made a mistake but that isn’t WHO I AM. And I thought I was doing the right thing by telling J we could only be friends and never cheated.

I guess I’m just asking if you think we can get to a healthy happy place? - Confused, 30

No, because you don’t want to be in a happy, healthy place. You’re 30 years old chumming around with a 25 year old. There’s my first clue. Most 25 year old guys aren’t think long term relationship when they date women that much older than them. Even if they are, they’ll eventually wake up and remember they can date younger.  A woman who wants a real relationship doesn’t go for a guy that young, either. Just like a 29 year old doesn’t seriously date a 20 year old. There’s a reason why someone your age would go for someone that young, and it’s usually not genuine compatibility. (Except for you, bro. Your situation is TOTALLY different. ) Usually the compatibility is based on each person’s mutual emotional immaturity. And you, my love, are wildly emotionally immature.

Whether you realize it or not, when you came home from your day of hanging out with J., you were intentionally acting stand offish in order to get M. to ask you what was wrong.

Know how I know you were looking to cause drama? Because there was no reason for you to tell M anything, as you had supposedly made your decision. Oh, right. “I want to start things off with a clean slate!” I hate to tell you, but there’s no such thing as a clean slate. Everybody’s slates area little dirty. People need to get past this adorable idea that relationships require 100% honesty, because they don’t. That’s another sign of emotional immaturity. There are some things keep to yourself because revealing them to your partner would upset them. If you truly care about them you don’t want to do that.

You wanted drama and attention. You got it. There was no need for you to tell him about J. There was no imminent threat. None. But you wanted to. You just didn’t want to offer it up. You wanted M. to ask you what was wrong so that you could say you only told him because he asked and so you could prolong the tension. You wanted to create a situation where the focus was 100% on you.

The majority of men out there don’t feed into this sort of thing.  If a woman has a problem or internal conflict,  man isn’t going to try to drag it out of her. If she wants to stew or pout or chase her tail hoping he’ll notice how wound up she is, most guys just sit back and let her. Why? Because they know no good can come from pushing for an answer to the question, ‘Are you okay?” They also refuse to indulge blatant attention seeking from an adult woman.

But this week, he asked if I had heard from J. I told the truth and said he wrote me emails a few times, but I didn’t respond to the last one and I hadn’t talked to him in weeks. I got upset that he even brought it up! I think it should be done by now!

If you wanted it to be done, then why answer the question honestly? Good thing you only told him you didn’t reply to the last email J. sent instead of, like, just lying. What cause would there have been for M. to feel threatened? The only reason you even indulged J.in the first place once you had met M. was so you could use him to create conflict.

The thing is I apologized over and over and I told him why I did it. And what’s even more, is that I’m not really a liar, I am a pretty good, solid, dependable person who only wants the best for people. So I get so upset that he views me as a liar and/or cheat. Because I made a mistake but that isn’t WHO I AM.

Well, I agree that you’re not a liar or a cheat. You’re just immature and have juvenile ideas about how real relationship work. It’s not enough to have an even keeled relationship. You need the plot twist and the surprise ending.  You want to be the woman afraid to love because she’s burned, or the one who wonders “What if?” about that one guy who got away. The only men who tolerate such nonsense are men with their own dysfunctions or men who have no options. But even those guys eventually wise up and realize they can do better.

NOTE: Three days after this letter was submitted, the OP let me know that M. had cheated on her the night before and the relationship was over.

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The Loopholes Involved With Exclusivity

Okay. So we’ve all heard about The Weiner scandal, right? The politician who was sending around cock shots to random women across the country?

I happen to think that this sort of behavior, where people in serious relationships engage in sexual banter, flirting, etc, is ridiculously common. More so than I think most women want to acknowledge. I agree that in the confines of a fantasy situation, where there’s no threat of one or both parties getting attached, that this is not cheating. However….

I understand why some people do feel this particular situation was “wrong.”  This wasn’t as simple as some guy anonymously sending shots of his genitals to random women. He was conducting an ongoing relationship with a young woman who knew who he was, what he did, etc. If you read the transcripts you’d know that this woman believed there was more going on between them than just a fantasy.  When Weiner ceased communication with her, she went from, “Hey baby. You hard?” to “I won’t be ignored, Dan.”

When the person on the other end of the internetz threatens to out you, it’s no longer a fantasy. Had the woman Weiner been involved with been a little bit older, I have no doubt people would have called her a psycho. (But for the record, if she were older and she knew the guy was otherwise committed or unavailable, she loses her right to cry foul. I cringe when women go this route.)  At 19, 20, 21 you don’t really understand that all this stuff the guy is saying isn’t real. Of course she was going to get attached. A man so much older, like Weiner, should have known better. What he did was alarmingly reckless. That, to me, is what’s truly disturbing about the whole situation and these situations in general.

I’ve watched women on Twitter and Facebook publicly lash out at guys who refuse to acknowledge them.    That’s why, to me, these situations are so fraught with landmines. If you’re going to look outside your primary relationship for attention or physical gratification, then you better be damn skippy sure that who you’re swapping bodily fluids with (even if you’re just jerking off to them) knows it’s a fantasy or has an expiration date.

Whether or not these situations are cheating is up to the individual couple. To dismiss all situations that involve this behavior as “just a fantasy” is  ignorant. I think it’s easy to brush this behavior off as nothing when you have been without a relationship for an extended period of time. I know that’s how it was for me. The longer you stay single, the easier it becomes to forget how it feels to fear losing someone.

A recent relationship, while short, had moments that made me remember. Reading things while naked in bed, silly in jokes, learning (and being annoyed by) someone’s little quirks.  Even something that lasted only a few months had me re-thinking how I’d feel if I knew, or thought, I wasn’t enough for someone.

So much so that when a guy re-entered my life recently, someone I had met earlier this year, I was baffled at his personal view of commitment. In a nutshell, he suggested we get together for a drink. But “to be honest” he “got” in to a “relationship thing”  since the last time we spoke.  I asked him to define “relationship thing.” He said he had a girlfriend.  I said I understood and that meeting wouldn’t be appropriate. He said it “just kinda happened.” Hmm…Moxie intrigued.

Is it an open relationship or does she think you’re exclusive?

He said:

She thinks we’re exclusive. I’m just being honest here. I definitely think you’re hot and think we could have a lot of fun.

So I said:

Well, bonus points for “being honest.” But maybe try being honest with your GF first.

And the funny thing is? I believe that “it just happened.”  I do believe that some men just find themselves in a situation where they tell the woman they are her boyfriend..just for the hell of it. Sure. We’re exclusive. Sure. We’re a couple. You want to call me your boyfriend? Alrighty then. But the minute it becomes too serious/obligated/not fun, suddenly they feel trapped. And you know why I think they do it? Because being able to say that you’re in a relationship is a great way to avoid being in a relationship.

The girlfriend isn’t a partner, she’s a beard. If she’s particularly young or inexperienced or too understanding, the guy will pretty much get away with murder. And he knows it. So he has the girlfriend at home waiting for him while he’s out shagging whomever. And then he’s using the girlfriend as an excuse why he can’t stay longer or give more. These situations are ideal for men who aren’t emotionally evolved enough to carry on a true, committed relationship. In this scenario, the fantasy is the committed relationship. There is no reality involved.

I guess what all of this has me thinking is how we have individually developed various definitions for monogamy and cheating and commitment. It used to be that we wanted to know if the person we’re dating was on the same page as us in terms of the direction of the relationship. There’s just too many loopholes nowadays.  Too many ways to cheat, too much temptation.

Now it feels like we have to make sure we both agree upon what constitutes fidelity, cheating, monogamy and commitment.

 

 

 

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Should He Tell His Wife He Cheated?

Name: Brian |  | Location: Brooklyn, NY |Question: I’ve been married for almost 3 years. Before I say any more I want to say that I love my wife very much. I wouldn’t change anything about our relationship. That’s why I don’t understand why I did what I did. Two years ago through a work conference I ran in to a woman I had met online, when I was single,  a couple years earlier. We exchanged contact info and said we’d keep in touch. I don’t know why I did this but I friend requested her on Facebook. From there we had a few conversations here and there about work and our respective relationships. She knew I was married. She was recently single.  I asked her to meet for coffee. When I walked her to her cab I kissed her goodbye.  Not a peck on the cheek. A real kiss. For the last year we have been getting together every couple of months at her place. We have not had sex but have done everything else. I can not bring myself to have sex with her. She doesn’t push. She doesn’t pressure me at all. She knows I love my wife. I do. She doesn’t call me or text me. She does nothing to put my marriage in jeopardy. She does not want a relationship with me. She tells me about her dates and her relationships. I ask her if she’s told any of these men about me. She says of course not. I find myself thinking about her more than I should. She recently told me that she wanted to end things before someone gets hurt. A month went by and she sent me an email checking in to see how I was. I told her that she was right and that we needed to stop what we were doing. I find myself unable to sleep some nights because of my guilt. I don’t know why I have done this. I have never had any complaints where my wife or marriage is concerned. I only hope that I can learn to deal with my guilt so that it doesn’t cause me to confess to my wife because I will lose her. I’m too afraid to tell even my closest male friends about this. How do I deal with the guilt? Why did I do this and how can I be sure I won’t do it again?
|Age: 35

Believe it or not, I believe you love your wife. People will say that the fact you cheated meant you didn’t love her. I disagree. I believe that is an oversimplified view of something very, very complex. We’re talking human behavior here. Impulses. Emotions. Desires. Needs. None of these can be easily rationalized.  I think you can love someone very much and still betray them. (I draw that line at physical abuse.) To many people, the fact that someone says “I love you” or “I do” is supposed to protect them from ever being hurt. The idea that love or vows is not enough to prevent them from being betrayed, abandoned or hurt is too scary. Love is not a guarantee of anything.

I also don’t buy in to the idea that for someone to cheat that must mean that something is lacking in their primary relationship. People cheat for all kinds of reasons. And they can be totally happy and satisfied in their primary relationship. If this were a one time slip I’d tell you to relax, KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT, and just don’t do it again. But you carried on an actual affair. Telling you not to let it happen again would simply be treating the symptom. You have to treat and cure the cause. There is a cause. You have to find it.

You screwed up. You know it. The question is…why? The only way you can improve your chances (but not guarantee) that you won’t do this again is to figure out why you did it. Was there something about this woman specifically that caused you to cross the line?  Why did you want to know if she’s told the other men in her life about you? Do you have feelings for her? Do you need sexual variety? What was the trigger to all of this? What was going on in your life or in that moment where you decided to friend request her on Facebook or ask her to meet for coffee. Think back. There had to be something. Was there job stress? Did you feel you could be someone with this woman with whom you cheated that you couldn’t be with your wife? Did she arouse in you something you don’t feel comfortable discussing or doing with your wife? Your job right now is to find that stressor. You also need ot be honest with yourself about how you feel about this other woman. If you have feelings for her, or some kind of connection, cutting her off completely might not be the best approach. Shoving stuff under the bed doesn’t mean your room is clean. It just means you have a bunch of dirty clothes under your bed. It’s not the same thing, ya dig?

As for telling your wife….DON’T. If you truly believe you will never do this again, do not say a word. But if you find yourself tempted again, then you may want to consider not just telling her but going to couple’s therapy. That’s not a conversation you want to have without a mediator there to help prevent things from escalating out of control.

It’s possible that you’re someone who just isn’t meant to be in a monogamous relationship. You are who you are. Not everyone is cut out for monogamy or exclusivity. You need to do some serious soul searching to find out just what it is you want and that you’re capable of giving. If your wife gives and expects monogamy, and you married her, then you’re obligated to give her what she needs to be happy. If you can’t do that, and you love her as you say you do, then you need to let her go.

You did a terrible thing, and did it more than once. You know that. You can never undo it. You can only make good choices going forward. Please take your time with this, get good counsel and support and do not hurt the woman who loves you and did nothing to deserve this. – Amy

Being responsible for someone else’s feelings and happiness, I think, is one of the big contributing factors to cheating. Sometimes I wonder if all that responsibility just gets overwhelming that it causes people to compartmentalize and pretend, even for a couple hours, that they are single.

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Emotional/Physical Cheating & Monogamy: How Have Things Changed?

Over cocktails last night, my friend K. was explaining to me his definition of cheating.

“I’m with Bill Clinton on this one…oral sex is not cheating” he said, all proud of himself.

I just smiled and nodded.

“Oral sex is not as intimate as actual intercourse” he explained.

Again, I nodded. I wasn’t going to debate the merits of either just yet.

K. explained that his last relationship, which ended about 6 months ago, had a “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy. And it was his girlfriend, he claims, that instituted the policy. He said it took him totally by surprise. He also said it was the healthiest adult relationship he had ever had in his 38 years.

“There’s something about having the option to have sex with someone else that takes away the need to have sex with someone else, know what I mean?”

I said I did. Of course it made sense. Part of the thrill of cheating is the idea that you’re doing something wrong. It heightens the intensity of the experience.

I asked K. if he ever used his Get Out of Jail Free Card. He said he did. He said there was one woman that he had a sexual relationship with for a few weeks. But that was at the end of his primary relationship.

“After the second time we hooked up, I started to feel like I was having a full blown affair. That I was seeking this woman out more than once was the first sign to me that my relationship was over.”

I asked him to explain what that meant. The story went as follows:

A few years before his most recent relationship,  he met and began dating another woman. He invited her to move in with him about 8 months later. Within a couple months he “found himself” exchanging flirty emails with an ex-lover. About a year after that he and the ex-lover slept together (he was still living with his girlfriend). He felt horrible, ignored the woman he cheated with and cut her off. A year later she contacted him, and he ended up cheating again. (Note: K. swears this was the only woman he cheated with.) That’s when he knew he wasn’t happy in his relationship and hadn’t been for some time. The cheating, he said, forced him to confront his true feelings about his girlfriend and their relationship. He broke up with his girlfriend two weeks after cheating.

I asked him if it would have made a difference had he cheated with different women. He said he wasn’t sure. Was it his need for variety that caused him to cheat or was it just his discontentment with his relationship? He said he thinks it was both.

He brought things back to his most recent relationship and its open nature. I asked if he thought having the ability to sleep with other women made a difference. What made the difference, he said, was that the focus of their relationship was the emotional bond more so than the physical one. He felt his girlfriend trusted him more and wasn’t afraid of the possibility that he might find someone else or leave her. The pressure was off. If he wasn’t meant to be with her, then so be it. He didn’t feel as though her happiness was dependent upon him or the relationship. When it ended, it was because they had just grown apart due to life and career issues.

One of the many questions that OKCupid asks in their About Us section is which does the user find more hurtful – emotional cheating or physical cheating or both. I selected emotional cheating. There’s just  something about being emotionally intimate with someone that, to me, seems more daunting and requires more effort and trust. The level of vulnerability required for true emotional intimacy is much greater in my opinion.

As nauseous as this analogy from K.  made me, I had to agree with it.

“Let’s say you offered prime rib every night. Would it really be so bad if your boyfriend or girlfriend said they needed to switch it up and they were in the mood for greasy pizza? Would you really be offended that they wanted to have some smash and grab, meaningless hook up with someone else when you know that what you two share when you’re in bed together is so much more intense and connected?”

“Why can’t you have greasy pizza with your partner?”  I asked.

“Because it’s not just greasy pizza with them. There’s an ingredient in that pizza that makes it more than just greasy pizza. Sometimes people just want really, really greasy pizza.”

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