If He’s Not Interested, Can You *Make* Him Interested?

Name: Heather
Age: 34
State: California
Question: I went on a first date last night that was 30 minutes of small talk and the a 2 1/2 hour movie. The guy looks like a strong contender for me – we have a lot in common, he’s cute, etc… but I got the impression that he just wanted to go to a movie with someone, not go on a date, although he called it a “first date.”

Anyway, at the end of the night he said something wishy washy about we’ll talk soon blah blah. I told him (with a smile) that I’d really like another date where we can talk instead of just sitting quietly watching a movie, and he said yes, but still wasn’t specific about anything. He gave me an awkward hug and took off.

I would like to see him again, but I’m worried that (for whatever reason), he’s not interested. What’s a way to contact him again that might get him interested? I feel like if I ask for another date he’ll just do that guy fade away thing. Another idea I had was to tell him that if he doesn’t feel a spark we could be friends. I’m new in town and would like to make friends as well as go on dates (and it says so in my online profile).

Anyway, I’m just worried that I might scare him off. Help!

 

You can’t scare off someone who is genuinely interested. If he wants to see you again, he’s not going to change his mind just because you take the initiative and ask him out.

I know you say you’d be okay with being friends, but would you? Really? Even if you were comfortable with that, most guys really don’t have much use for random female friends. As Chris Rock says, these are just women they haven’t slept with yet. The worst thing you can do is to presume to know exactly how they’re feeling or thinking. Don’t email him and tell him, pre-emptively, that if he didn’t feel a spark then you and he could be friends. He’s going to take that as you trying to read his mind and he’ll get annoyed. Plus, you’ll pretty much be setting yourself as f*ck buddy material. He’ll take you up on that offer, and then you’ll hook up, and then he’ll say, “But..you said you were okay with being just friends!” I actually think that “If you just want to be friends, that’s okay” is now code for, “We don’t have to date. I’ll sleep with you any way.”

If you want to see him again, come up with a plan and email him and ask him out. I’ll be honest and say that this situation doesn’t sound promising. The awkward hug and vague mentions of a future date aren’t good signs. Neither is the suggestion of a movie on a first date. You’re right that a movie date is not a good first date idea, and most people know that.

I don’t think there’s any way to “get” him interested. Either he is or he isn’t. Maybe he’s just really shy. In which case contacting him and inviting him out for a drink will put him at ease. But if he just wasn’t feeling it or was just using the site to meet new friends, you might end up on another “date” that goes no where.

I’m thinking that you’re going to have to bite the bullet and ask him out and see what he says.

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Ladies, Stop Rationalizing Yourself Single

Name: Sally
Age: 22
State: California
Question: So, I know that the beginning of this does not sound healthy and that is not what my question is about. I have moved past that.  I met this guy. We talked over the phone and via Skype a couple weeks and then we went on a date and hit it off immediately.  We sort of jumped into things right away. Within a week of us going out we decided we were going to be crazy and jump into a relationship. Everything was great the whole time but then he suddenly broke it off without any tell tale signs leading up to it. He said he didn’t think he could fall in love with me. This was just a little over two months into the relationship. Now we never tried being actual friends before we started a relationship which we both agree was a bad move.  However, I can see myself with this guy. The only reason I agreed to jump into this relationship is because he makes me more comfortable and I trusted him more from the start than I have anyone else, ever. He did tell me when we broke up that I’m the only girl he has always wanted to talk to when I called and that he is happy when I’m around and that he sincerely wants to be friends. He is a train ride away and I recently went up there to retrieve a couple things I had left and made the decision to be friends. Do you think there is any chance of him changing his mind and wanting to be with me after we start being friends?  Like I said, he says he has always enjoyed being around me and has done stuff for me that he admittedly was never willing to do for any other girl he has ever been with and, the night I went to get my stuff, we went out to grab something to eat and had a great time (under the pretense of friendship). Also, that night he had called to see what I was doing and if I was on my way yet and I told him I was talking to someone from my school. He guessed correctly that it was a guy. Later that night he jokingly asked if the person I was talking to was cute and then said something to the affect that he knows I still want to be with him.  Later he made another joke about going to a strip club and bringing a girl back with him. Is that a sign that nothing will ever happen again? I feel that I can now be myself more because I do not feel pressure to make a sudden relationship work. The night I spent with him was one of the more enjoyable nights we have spent together.  Should I just move on or wait and see what happens?

I think you should move on. As you said, the relationship started very quickly, so it’s not really a surprise to hear that it ended that way. That’s typically how insta-relationships end. He’s young. You’re young. Neither one of you really knows what you want. Right now, this guy seems like the last guy in the world. He’s not. I’m sure he does value the friendship and feel very comfortable with you. I also have no doubt that he’s a bit jealous at the idea of you talking or flirting with someone else. His mentioning of the strip club was just to get a reaction out of you. He doesn’t want you to move on but he also doesn’t want to pony up and be with you. That’s not someone you want to devote such time and emotion to right now. If you do get back together, more than likely things will end the exact same way they did before.

I feel that I can now be myself more because I do not feel pressure to make a sudden relationship work.

You’re rationalizing here. I don’t believe that you feel comfortable being yourself because you’re questioning everything he does. If you truly felt comfortable and confident about who you were, his behavior wouldn’t cause you to do that.

You’re 22 years old. You have the ability to prevent yourself from falling into one of the deepest holes that single women fall in to over and over. If you can start seeing things for how they are now, and avoid rationalizing this situation, you will avoid a lot of angst in the years to come. Right now, you are convincing yourself of a reality that does not exist. That’s how many women end up in bad relationships or weeded out of the dating pool. Your relationship with this guy will not be any different than it was before. He told you that he can’t see himself falling in love with you. Granted, I think he’s a little immature and melodramatic, but the gist of his confession doesn’t change. He doesn’t want to be in a relationship with you. Maybe it’s you. Maybe he just doesn’t want a relationship. Who knows? At the end of the day, it doesn’t matter. No matter how you mix up the variables, the sum will not change. That’s what you need to understand.For the most part men mean what they say. They may not say it as directly as we’d like them to, but the sub-text is usually quite obvious and concise.

X is not undefined here. It’s very clearly defined: he doesn’t want to date you right now. You can switch things up and take a new approach and go into this with a whole new attitude and sense of confidence. That won’t matter. No matter how hard you try to rationalize yourself in and out of this, the end result will remain the same.

Do not underestimate the opportunity you have in front of you right now. You are now capable of breaking what could end up being a really unhealthy cycle. It’ll suck for a while and you’ll go back and want to know that he’s still interested. You will eventually learn how to let go and walk away and not try to make something work that is broken.

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Here’s Why People Don’t Reply To Your OKCupid Messages

Below is an actual email that one of my Profile Review clients sent to a woman on OKCupid. Allow me to point out just why an email like this is a big mistake.

[Printed with his permission.]

Hey there, XXXXXX (Hey! Like the Katy Perry song!)

So, I’m not that good at writing emails to strangers, but bear with me. I like that your ambitious, and I respect that you know what you want, in life and in a man. Also, good call on Malcolm Gladwell- I should be reading more of him. You sound really cool, and I have a feeling there’s more to you than your looks, but let’s see if you’re actually as interesting as you are online :-P

I’ll bet you’ve gotten about a dozen emails from half-literate muscle jocks saying nothing more than “hey baby, whats up”. Hopefully I’m more refreshing than that.

Now I’m not one to talk about myself that often, but I’ve been called an ambitious gentleman scholar, and I’ve also been called a rapscallion. Word on the street is I’m cute and quite funny, and maybe a bit of a charmer, but I guess you’ll have to make that decision for yourself. Although if you don’t like to laugh, I think we’re in big trouble.

Anyways, worst comes to worst, you might make a cool friend, so let’s get together for a drink/coffee sometime…

-XXXX

 

 

Hey there, XXXXXX (Hey! Like the Katy Perry song!)

Let’s start with the greeting. First off, no man should be able to identify a Katy Perry song. The only thing about Katy Perry that a man should be able to recall is her spectacular breasts. Making matters worse, this particular guy had a line in the opening of his profile about how, if he were a handbag, he’d be the woman’s Hermes purse, but not her Coach bag. Everybody see where I’m going with this? Good.

The problem with an opening like this is that it’s too “Hey, Girlfriend!” Women aren’t joining dating sites to find new pals. By starting off like this, a man is pretty much throwing himself into the Friend Zone.

“So, I’m not that good at writing emails to strangers, but..”

But nothing. Clearly, he is good at it. The client remarked that he often would get responses from women commenting on how great his introductory email was. Well, of course they’d say that. He prompted them to do so by being so self-deprecating. Use of self-deprecation, if not done correctly,  makes you sound like you’re pandering for compliments. Uh oh. Someone’s needy!

You sound really cool, and I have a feeling there’s more to you than your looks, but let’s see if you’re actually as interesting as you are online :-P

I realize that he’s teasing her, but your first email to someone online isn’t the time for this. Since it’s almost impossible to detect or decipher tone in writing, it’s risky to use teasing or sarcasm because you might end up coming off dick-ish or offensive. The same goes for “sass.” Yeesh. Every woman who describes herself as sassy should buy a cat now. I don’t think I need to highlight why the :-p is a bad move, do I? Emoticons and Lol’s should also be left out of these emails. The sender ends up coming across juvenile.

I’ll bet you’ve gotten about a dozen emails from half-literate muscle jocks saying nothing more than “hey baby, whats up”. Hopefully I’m more refreshing than that.

Once again, he’s prompting the women to compliment him on his approach. As I’ve always said, when someone compares themselves to the rest of their gender or tries to separate themselves out from the rest of their gender, that’s not a great sign. Truly confident people don’t have to plant seeds of doubt about others. They should be able to stand on their own.

Now I’m not one to talk about myself that often, but I’ve been called an ambitious gentleman scholar, and I’ve also been called a rapscallion.

Use of words like “rapscallion” are meant to sound clever and witty but usually comes off pretentious and like you’re trying too hard. Here’s a good rule of thumb…don’t talk like Oscar Wilde. Nobody wants to f**k Oscar Wilde or Jane Eyre.

Word on the street is I’m cute and quite funny, and maybe a bit of a charmer, but I guess you’ll have to make that decision for yourself. Although if you don’t like to laugh, I think we’re in big trouble.

Yes, let the recipient of your email decide if you are witty, charming, sexy, etc. Telling someone how they’re going to feel or think is not the best way to start off a conversation. Nor is it wise to be this egregiously self-promotional.

In my opinion, this email makes the guy sound weak.

I’m sure there will be guys who say I’m being judgmental. [No shit. Have we met?] I am being judgmental. Know why? Because people are judgmental. I’m just as certain that there will be women who read this and think it is a perfect example of what men should say in their messages. In my opinion, the women who find an email like this appealing are looking for nothing more than a BFF. We all know why women almost universally require that the man make a reference to something from her profile. That “proves” that he’s not just looking for sex. Personally, I find those strategically placed mentions disingenuous. A simple, ‘Hey, I liked your profile. Drop a line back if you’d like to chat” will suffice.

Finally, and this is important, so listen up. Follow directions. If a man or woman says they’re looking for someone within a certain age range or distance from them and you don’t fall within those parameters, don’t reply. Nothing – and I mean nothing – gets someone who emails me blocked faster than if he believes the rules don’t apply to him. Okay, sure. You’re 42 and the person says they’re interested in meeting people 30-40. It’s just 2 years, right? Wrong. I will bet money that the main reason why so many people send out message after message and get no response is because they blatantly ignore the expressed parameters in someone’s profile. What you’re saying when you pay no mind to these stated criteria is that you believe you’re different or special. I can assure you, in the recipient’s mind, you’re not.

If someone lives in a major metropolitan city and you live in a suburb, I honestly wouldn’t bother contacting them.

If someone says they want kids and you know you don’t, move along.

If a person shares their love of fitness and health and you’re, well, out of shape, let it go.

If you can’t be bothered to post a real photo to your profile, contact others who don’t have pics.

If you don’t feel like following the basic “rules” of online dating then keep your expectations in check.

You’re welcome.

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Dear Men – Admit It. Some Of You Like Bitchy Women.

Name: John
Age: 45
State: NY
Question: I was wondering if you could address this small issue for me. After a first date, if I want to see the girl again, I ask her to text me that she got home OK. Most of my first dates are at night and the girl drives to the place to meet me. I especially ask her to do this if the weather is bad and I wanted to see her again.

My thoughts on this issue is that if the girl was into me, she would think it was a nice request. If she wasn’t into me, it would be a bother. Therefore, I feel that I have nothing to lose. But I am wondering if I really do have something to lose. Would a girl actually think, “I liked this guy but he already wants to hear back from me 20 minutes after we just parted?”. Is there a chance she could have that thought process even if she wanted to see me again?

I suppose it is no surprise that the girls who gave a curt text “home” never responded to my followup calls/text in subsequent days and the ones who texted more robust “I got home safe. Hope you did too” always led to more dates with her. I am thinking this is a barometer to gauge the girl’s level of interest, but wanted to hear if you agree or had a guy ask that of you too.

So I am asking your advice on whether I should continue to ask for a “safe home” text after a first date or just let it be?

 

I would save this gesture for extreme situations only. Yes, it’s sweet and all…but it could come across as a little too much to a lot of women. I can remember being on a date a couple of years ago. A first date. We agreed to meet for a glass of wine. He wanted to extend that into dinner. So we ordered food – Italian. I had mentioned earlier that I needed to pop a pill because I have acid reflux. Dinner came and we began to eat. We were just a few bites in before he said, “Sweetie, did you remember to take your stomach medication?”

Was it a sweet gesture? I guess. To me, it felt forced and like he was trying too hard to force a familiarity that wasn’t established yet. It immediately turned me off. Something about it felt phony and disingenuous.

You’re right that a curt “home” text alerting you that they arrived home safely is indicative of their interest and attitude. Which is why, when you get such a response, you shouldn’t bother asking them out again.The fact that you do that really should concern you.

This is your third letter to me. (See first one here, second one here.) I realize that you’re back in the dating scene after a marriage and subsequent divorce. One of the things you need to learn is to be less concerned about what these women you take out think. You need to preset your self as, well, more of a “man.” In return, these women you take out appear to run rough shot over you or treat you poorly. That’s because they smell blood in the water.  They can sense that you’re rather lost when it comes to dating and they are taking advantage of that. Basically, you need to stop coming off so weak. I’m telling you, the minute we sense weakness, we will trample right over it.

There are women out there who get off at emasculating men. Sometimes they do it to the man’s face or behind his back. It’s all about wanting to believe that they are far more desirable and intoxicating than they really are. It’s also about one upping their girlfriends over cocktails. You can’t give in to their demands right away. You want to be flexible and accommodating…but not right away. Learn the difference between being assertive and being aggressive. Women want an assertive man. The ones who don’t have a mean to cruel streak a mile long. Getting a twatty “home” text when she arrives safely at her residence should tell you what kind if a person she is. I don’t care whether you’re interested or not. If you can’t muster the effort to be polite, that alone should explain why you’re single.

I’ll throw this out there as well. Like I said earlier, this is your third letter to me, despite the fact that you have often and repeatedly insulted me or gotten angry at my advice. (Seriously, dude. Didn’t you call me fat just a month ago?) So I have to wonder if there is something about the dynamic between you and these aggressive women that you like that causes you to consistently meet and date them. It might not even be a conscious choice on your part.

People don’t continue to repeat a pattern or dynamic unless there is something about that dynamic that works for them.

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Why Do Women Fall For The Mr. Darcy Types?

Name: Joan
Age: 20
State: NY
Question: I’ve been friends with this guy for a while, on a casual level. He’s 30 and I’m 20. I never thought about him romantically or sexually until recently, when he told me that he feels very drawn to me, and that he respects me as a person and feels really attracted to me. Then he went on to say that usually he’d try to have sex with someone he felt so attracted to, but that because we were friends he respected me too much to go there. I was taken aback, because this confession seemed to come out of nowhere, so I had very little response except to say that it’s better to keep things simple between us. Then a few weeks after this I was hanging out with him late at his place again, and he said it again, this time adding that he has nothing to offer me and would never want me to have to deal with his shit. There are a lot of reasons that pursuing something with him would be a challenge, age aside. But that being said, something about his admitting he’s attracted to me and his refusal to make a move out of respect has now made me think about him in a way I hadn’t really before. Am I crazy for falling for this Mr. Darcy stuff? Is there any way to pursue this without it feeling awkward?

Am I crazy for falling for this Mr. Darcy stuff?

I absolutely love that you used this phrase, as it is EXACTLY what I think of when I hear such twee comments from men. No you’re not crazy for falling for it. You’re just young. You’re young and you’re enthralled at the thought of this older and more “sophisticated” guy taking an interest in you.

when he told me that he feels very drawn to me, and that he respects me as a person and feels really attracted to me.

Oh dear. Do tell, Mr. Darcy. Drawn to you? He feels drawn to you? Well, here’s a question…why would a 30 year old man be drawn to a 20 year old? Honestly, does that make sense to you? Is this me being judgey or is that creepy in some way? Or at least out of place? Let’s say he is drawn to you. That alone strikes me as a warning sign. I believe that he’s drawn to your youth. Not uncommon, of course. But I believe, in cases like this, the attraction goes deeper than being about how nubile and pure you are. I tend to think there’s much more to it than that. Maybe he’s drawn to your level of emotional maturity because he’s immature? Or drawn to your inexperience because it doesn’t threaten his ego? I don’t know. What I do know is that if he’s reasonably attractive, he should be able to date women closer to his own age. He either can’t or chooses not to. Red Flag. [Except for you, of course. You're totally different. Not at all immature or insecure.] There will be people with stories of how they dated someone so much older and how profound and powerful that connection was. Breaking….it wasn’t. You just thought it was because you were a child and didn’t know better.

Then he went on to say that usually he’d try to have sex with someone he felt so attracted to, but that because we were friends he respected me too much to go there.

And that, my love, would be a lie. That would be something Mr. Darcy would say. It’s romantic and makes women feel..say it with me….special. Guys don’t talk like characters from romance novels. When they do, it’s strategic. They know that that is how many women think of men and that many females want their love lives to resemble a rom com. And, sadly, many of us do. If a guy wants to have sex with you,and you make yourself available to him,  he’ll try to have sex with you. The whole thing about not wanting to ruin the friendship is a lie, too.  This reminds me of a blog I read over the weekend. She posted a link to her site  on Nerve Confessions asking people for feedback. The guy acted all offended when he invited her to sleep over after their first date and she immediately said she would but there wouldn’t be any sex! [Just everything but. Holy Jesus Christ on a Palomino Pony. Just f*ck him already.] Here’s a classic example of the Grand Gesture Guy. Kissing in the rain. Carrying her up to bed in his arms. Romantic declarations. Fakity fake fake fake. Guys don’t talk like that!

Ladies, it’s an act. They’re pretending to be offended. They’re pretending to be concerned that we think they ‘just want sex.”  It’s all part of the dance. We do the “Oh, gee, I don’t know if that’s a good idea” thing while we’ve already run through the fantasy about getting nailed up against a wall by the end of the first cocktail. [PS? That only successfully happens in movies, too. Go ahead. Try to recreate that magic. See how it goes for you.] Either except his invite to go back to his place, lose the coy act and screw him with abandon or don’t. That’s it. None of this in-between crap anymore. You’re making it difficult for all of us.

But that being said, something about his admitting he’s attracted to me and his refusal to make a move out of respect has now made me think about him in a way I hadn’t really before.

Yep. That’s exactly what he wants you to think.  He wants you to see him differently, maybe even put him on a pedestal. He’s trying to make it a challenge. He wants you to chase him. It’s all an ego stroke for him.

The guy is full of it. He probably believes what he’s saying, though. That’s why it’s so hard for you to decide what to do.  If you want him, have him. Just understand that you’re probably not getting the romantic hero he’s presenting himself as. He’s a 30 year old dude trying to bang a 20 year old at best, or a 30 year old dude who’s wildly immature and insecure trying to date a 20 year old because women on his own level intimidate the crap out of him.

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The Key to Successful Flirting Is…

…creating sexual desire.

“But…I respect women!”

You can respect a woman and still want to have sex with her. You can choose to believe that it’s your respect for women that prevents you from getting laid if you like, though. I mean, it’s not. You’re not getting laid because women don’t want to have sex with you. It’s adorable that you want to prove to us how you want us more for our brains and hearts. But what we want is for you f— us and f— us well. So work on that and stop trying to woo us with your mad skills at being our pals. Also cease desperately trying to differentiate yourselves from the PUAs. You both want to get laid. So get off your high horse. If you sit there and say that that isn’t a primary goal, then you’re lying. Or you just don’t like sex. Any guy who says that sex isn’t a priority in a relationship is suspect in my book. They are the same men who use their total lack of interest in sex as a selling point.  It’s not. You’re either not very sexual, bad in bed or sexually confused.  Only very inexperienced women will buy that schtick, and they will eventually wake up when they hear about all the sex their friends are having. I’m more annoyed by the “I respect women!” types. It’s just as disingenuous as the stupid Game crap. You can still respect me while your head is buried between my legs. So get to it. You don’t have to go the way of the PUA’s and neg us. Just don’t be so afraid to offend us. It’s okay to be a little bit dirty.

Women act like they’re offended by sex talk, but they’re really not. We want you to want us. We want to reply back with some saucy response laced with subtle sexual innuendo. What we’re afraid of  is either disappointing you sexually or..

“But..I don’t want him to think I’m a slut!”

Sweetie, wanting to have sex does not make you a slut. Stop listening to your bitchy, asexual and perpetually single friends. Also tune out the men out there in whom you confide who warn you against letting loose too soon.  Those guys don’t get laid. Sorry, but it’s true. They are that guy that every woman befriends because he’s safe. She has no desire to have sex with him.

PS? Men like “sluts.” Men even respect “sluts.” Know why? Because they are doing what they want and not what they think people expect. This idea that man don’t respect “easy” women is a myth perpetuated by every woman who slept with a guy and then blew up his phone with texts asking why he hadn’t called her. Respect has nothing to do with it. As long as you show that you respect yourself in other ways, you’ll be just fine.

Now, what is it about men and women that make the opposite sex desire them? Let’s see:

Mystery - If you’re someone who excels in writing but struggles to communicate in person, you’re in luck. The less you say, the better. This is another reason to make your date and then not communicate until you meet. People always screw this up. They keep emailing and texting and eventually you learn more than you want and you’re turned off. There’s a line between being coy and being a bore, though. You have to develop some level of communication skills and social aptitude. If we smell insecurity, our attraction wanes.You need to hint at your naughtier side without giving it all away. Ladies, take that little straw in your drink and put it in your mouth for a few seconds. Don’t treat it like a tooth pick. Treat it like a penis. You know what I’m talking about. No need to hit anybody over the head with your longing to get horizontal. A hint here and there will do just fine.

Vulnerability - I’ve brought up this example before using my imaginary boyfriend Jeremy Renner. Any man who can make Jeffrey Dahmer seem sympathetic has skill.  His exterior is rough around the edges, therefore he poses somewhat of a challenge. What saves him is his ability to show his sensitive and raw side. He’s not afraid to look “weak.” It’s the outer, slightly dangerous side that draws you in. But it’s the accessible vulnerability that keeps you there. This is why so many women who believe they are “sassy” screw up. They end up coming off cold and bitchy. You have to offer softness with a side of teasing. Not the other way around.

What you shouldn’t do is make your whole interaction about sex. That’s when you appear desperate. And desperate isn’t sexy. Any guy that can’t get off (hah. see what I did there?) the sex topic reeks of desperation and social awkwardness. Guys with experience and skill know how to walk that line.

I can remember setting up a date with a guy last summer. I suggested a  bar located between both of our neighborhoods. He countered with an offer to come over my place with a bottle of wine. Nothing sounds more awkward than having someone in my home that I do not find attractive that is clearly hoping to get laid. And that’s what the “why don’t we just hang at my place” first dates are – blatant, tragic attempts at getting laid. That person doesn’t even want to try to create any sexual tension. They just want you to have sex with them. Desperado. Or sex addict. No thanks. Anybody who would put themselves into that position is hard-up.

Ladies, too,  need to save the “slutty” talk until after the clothes come off. I know you girls know what I’m talking about. The dirty talk. Once the mutual interest and participation has been established, then introduce it. Up to that point, you can hint, you can flirt…but don’t break out the big guns until naked. Once that occurs, you’re free to unleash your inner slut whenever you like.

That’s it. If someone you’re flirting with isn’t imagining what you’re going to be like in bed, then you might as well put yourself in the friend zone.

 

 

 

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Guys Don’t Want to Date “One of The Guys”

Name: Lucy
State: New York
Age: 42
Comment: Hi there Moxie!
I was recently introduced to a man by a mutual friend. We are both triathletes so I was interested in meeting him. The guy and I met up for a bike ride. He did mention he was inviting a couple of his friends along. A couple of hours into the ride, I realized I was not that into him, but I was open to having a new cycling buddy along with his friends that seemed to be nice guys as well. The next day, the guy texts me to tell me that riding was fun and they all enjoyed having me along. He ended the text by saying that his friend “Phil” wanted to know if he can have my number so that we can go running together. I said sure. Phil texts me and we set up to meet for a long run, 17 miles. He was a great guy and after 2 1/2 hours of running, I thought I would like to see him again. He texted me that same day to let me know how he enjoyed the run together and sent me some tips on running and cycling and that he will see me soon. He had a race the following weekend so I sent him a good luck message and to let me know how he did. He responds after his race and tells me the race was tough. He asked me how my training had been going. I reponded that it was a tough 19 miles for me. I have not heard from him since (4 days). Being that we were in constant contact either calling/texting or emailing, I’m wondering if he is just not that into me or just uber focused on another race this weekend. Should I reach out or let him?

 

Most men are fairly in the dark when it comes knowing when a woman is flirting with them. By keeping the topic and tone of the messages to cycling, you’re giving him the impression that your interest in him stops there. You need to switch the conversation to something more flirty and personal.Right now, you’re some running buddy. He’s not seeing you as a possible date for two reasons – you’re playing up the athletic/sporty thing by sticking to that topic, which isn’t terribly feminine, and you’re not making the conversation flirty or personal. He very well might be interested and feeling you out. But you’re not giving him anything to go on. Men, especially shy or reserved men, need  a little push.

Change the subject in your next text. Ask him how his day was. Lead him off that running path into a conversation that’s more personal. That’s what he is waiting to see from you, and that’s probably why he hasn’t asked you to get together. Or he’s just not interested. But the only way to know that short of asking him out (which I don’t recommend unless the guy is just not picking up your signals) is to take things to a more personal level.   Basically, you’re Friend Zoning yourself right now.  You’re being “one of the guys.” That’s not what guys wants.

I was working with two women on their profiles yesterday. Both women made it a point to express their love of baseball and beer or golf and sailing. When I explained to them that most men don’t see that as a selling point, they asked why. My answer was pretty simple: because those things aren’t feminine. That and most men aren’t looking for someone to go golfing with or to attend a Yankees game and throw back a few brews. They can do that with their guy friends. It’s not a bad thing if a woman enjoys those activities. It’s just not something that scores them points in a dating profile or on a the first few dates.

This is the mistake so many women make in their profiles. They try too hard to seem like “one of the guys.” They talk up their jobs, their financial security, all the athletic activities they do, and they don’t showcase their more uniquely feminine traits.

In many cases, the women don’t really have any. They’ve been shutting them down for so long that they’ve atrophied. Or they refuse to sell themselves this way because they think it makes them submissive. Ignore the women who tell you men are intimidated by strong women. It’s a lie. The majority of men are not scared off by a strong woman.

There are some women who are able to use their more masculine attributes to their benefit. They tend to attract what men who have more feminine qualities. (Not to be confused with effeminate qualities.) It works for them. How do you know if that works for you? Well, it works. You meet men on or offline that compliment your personality and energy.

Some of us, though, (raises hand) have to consciously temper our more “masculine” side. :)

Something else that turns men off? A woman who tries to adapt a too-casual attitude towards sex. It’s one thing if the woman doesn’t have sexual hang ups or is sexually assertive. It’s another if she acts like this is something she does all the time. There’s confident (which is good) and then there’s programmed, where you come across completely detached from the whole experience. That turns men off. That’s why men hesitate when a woman proposes no strings sex out of the blue when they barely know each other. If there’s an established friendship or relationship, it’s not as tricky. But if you meet a guy at a party, bar or online and only chat a bit, it’s going to throw most men off. Especially if you “pitch” it.  You know, give them the whole schpiel about how you’re not looking for anything serious and just want casual sex and you find them attractive, blah blah. Don’t do that. That’s a case of a woman thinking she’s acting “like a guy” so she presents herself the way she thinks a guy would act in that case. Why? Because women are in love with the idea of an “honest” guy. Nothing says “I can’t get laid to save my life because every guy thinks I’m crazy” than that speech. Just ask them to meet for a drink and let things unfold organically.

 

 

 

 

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The Emperor’s New Clothes aka Why You’re Really Single

While looking over profiles a few weeks ago, I came across one that really stood out. Just not in a good way.  The guy’s profile wasn’t just labored. It was awkward. There were stories and references in his ad that just made no sense or seemed out of place. He was trying way too hard to sound breezy and fun and ended up coming across just the opposite.  I debated whether or not to contact him and offer my advice, but decided against it. No doubt this guy believed his profile was great. The best. I didn’t see the point in rattling any cages.

He, along with many, many other singles, suffer from The Emperor’s New Clothes Syndrome. There are these glaring things about their personality or looks or social skills that is obvious to those around them. But nobody says anything because they fear the person is either too fragile, to volatile or too delusional to hear what is being said and believe it. Or they just don’t care enough about the person to say anything. So these people go through life naked not only expecting but wanting people to compliment them on their attire. And many do, either out of pity or indifference. These people tend to surround themselves with others like them. That way they’re more likely to hear what they want to hear. (Which is why blogging about dates is so popular.)

There are certain flaws that are almost always universally ignored, but are undoubtedly why people can’t get past the first date or two.  Such as:

1. They’re not as attractive as they think they are – I’ll go even further. They’re not terribly attractive, period. They’re able to get photos taken at certain angles that make them appear more attractive than they are or to minimize certain flaws. But in 3-D they simply aren’t all that good looking.They’ve gone through life being told they were attractive in a “quirky” way and that beauty is skin deep. Yeah, maybe. But not in dating. Beauty is front and center. We’re shallow creatures. Let’s not pretend we aren’t. Also? How young you look or feel is mostly irrelevant. It’s how old you are that carries the most weight. Women who think they look 35 but are actually 40-45 and pursuing the 35-40 year old guys are deluding themselves. Sorry, but unless they have forgone the desire for kids or marriage, they don’t want you. They might date you for awhile, but you will eventually be replaced with a younger version. Could be in 2 months, could be in 2 years. Same goes for you older fellas of 40+ who date the twenty somethings. Those women will not settle down with you. They will date you and let you woo them. But you are mostly an experiment or a way for them to exorcise their Daddy Issues.

2. They have poor social skills- Nothing is more apparent than someone’s lack of social and interpersonal skills. They talk too much, they interrupt, they’re loud, they’re whiny, they complain a lot. These people go through life exhibiting boorish behavior because people are usually too afraid to speak up to them.They hijack conversations, they’re combative, they’re self-involved. All of this kind of navel gazing behavior makes it apparent that that person has little to no extended or consistent interaction with other people. They have not been socialized properly.

3. They’re  personality is rancid - They’re self-important, pretentious and/or negative.  They have to be right. They’re critical. People can’t wait to get away from them. They tell themselves that people are threatened by them or intimidated by them. No, love. You’re just incredibly unlikeable. People end up wanting you to be alone after being exposed to you for 20 minutes.

4. They’re angry/crazy - Yeesh. There are some comments here that are extremely unsettling. The anger borders on rage. Usually narcissistic rage. People like this have been kicked and battered around so much that they want others to suffer the way they have suffered. Make no mistake. Most people can sense when someone is off kilter mentally or emotionally. Most people just back away slowly from these folks. They offer some silly excuse about not being ready to date. They will never be honest with the person about why things didn’t work. They’re too afraid of them.

5. They’re overweight - I can assure you that a large number of the women who blog about all their bad dates and only have FWB’s and the rare hook up are chubby. They’re okay enough to have sex with, but not date. I speak from experience on this one. People, if you’re constantly getting ditched on first dates, or can only get guys to get together with you once every couple of weeks,  you’re probably overweight. You are the low person on the dating totem pole to them. I can not urge women enough to become acutely aware of how their weight affects who they attract online. When you’re overweight, you become a prime target for the pump and dumpers and opportunists. They think you’re desperate and will accept what you can get. I will say this very bluntly…you are weeding yourself out of the dating pool by keeping that weight on. And mind you, I’m not talking an extra twenty pounds. I’m also not referring to women who carry their weight well and own it. Those women do juuust fine. Trust me. I’m talking to the the women who KNOW their weight is an issue and ignore it.

6. They’ve let themselves go or don’t take care of themselves -  In any competitive dating market, you can’t afford to slack off on your looks. You just can’t. There is constant upkeep necessary. Nothing says, “I’ve given up” like packing on weight or poor skin and hair. I’ve said this before…the difference between the male dating profiles under 38 or so versus 40 and over is drastic. Lots of chubby, pasty guys. The women look far better, but that’s because we’re bombarded with messages and images about skin care and hair coloring products and gyms. Dear Lords, men. Moisturize.  If you do anything, moisturize. And Ladies? Stop with the excuses. In most cases barring medical issues, it’s not your metabolism. It’s your discipline. You can blame work or stress or meds (another common excuse) but more often than not it comes down to good old fashioned effort and desire. Stop lying to yourself and look in the mirror.

7. They’re desperate – Ugh. There is nothing more cringe inducing than someone who tries too hard. The whole time I read that man’s profile I mentioned above, I winced. This guy has no idea how insecure and desperate he sounded. These people always manage to put their foot in their mouths and play their hands. What they reveal is what poor luck they have with the opposite sex. They become too eager and anxious and bombard people with texts and emails. They get defensive. And needy. The send email after email.  The last thing you want someone to know is that they are your only option. It turns on the pressure. Plus, we all want someone who we believe is wanted by others.

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Boys Will Be Boys

The other day, Private Man suggested we both answer a question from one of his readers. His responses are in italics. Mine are in bold.

Okay so if you go on a date with a woman and it seems to go pretty good, what are good techniques for the following:

1 – Ending the date.  I know to end it on a high note before any tedium sets in, but what’s a good way to make the exit.   Knowing that on the date in question a first date bang ain’t happening but in all other respects things went well.

PM – As the man, you should certainly be the one who ends the date. You can end it by checking your watch or cellphone and say something like “I’ve got to run, it’s been great meeting you.” Don’t tell her why you have to run, maintain a bit of mystery.

MOXIE – If you’re interested in her, enjoy the evening. Don’t sit there and think you have to end things by a certain time. Let the date run its natural course.  I wouldn’t recommend a marathon date, but if the vibe is there and you two are enjoying each other, don’t end the date because you think you’ll look too eager if you don’t. When you feel things are winding down, that’s when you step in and say that you have to get going home. (Even if you’re not going home, say you are even if you’re meeting friends somewhere.)  Don’t say “it’s been great meeting you.” It’s a date, not an interview. It sounds clinical and kind of negative. You walk her to her cab or the subway or to her building, ya smooch her good night and tell her you want to see her again.

2 – What verbal enders are good like – “Call you in a few days”  bleh.

PM – “You can expect an email from me.” “Look for my texts”, etc. Don’t say exactly when.

MOXIE – Jesus. Why doesn’t he just send her a tape recording that says, “Your Mission, should you choose to accept it, is to go out with me again.” Then have it explode 5 seconds after listening for effect. At the end of the date you say you want to see her again and that you’ll contact her to make plans for X day. You don’t have to say when to contact her. I don’t think it’s bad to play it cool. Just don’t make douchey statements like, “Look for my texts.” It just makes you sound so odd and controlling. Also? Please realize that more and more women are attuned to Game lingo.

3 – What’s the “rule” on follow-up contact – I’ve heard everything from wait two days, a week, etc. before you follow-up and setup another get together.

PM – Between 24 and 72 hours after the date has ended. Any more than three days (72 hours) and that will throw off your online dating website review schedule (see my answer below).

MOXIE – I agree with PM here. 24-72 hours is an appropriate amount of time. I’d say wait at least half a day and then follow up.

4 – If you met her online, is it poor form to be seen back on the dating site the next day, yet you are not contacting her? Since we know she can see that you logged on, and we know she is going to check – giggle. Anyway, seems kind of obvious that you are just waiting the obligatory two days or whatever since she has a timestamp of when you were online.   I’m thinking it best to just stay off of course, but if you are also working other fish….on the other hand, being seen back on the dating site, but not contacting her might make hamsters turn the wheel, or it might make you look desperate.  I dunno.

PM – Tricky business this. If you would like to see her again, don’t log in until after you have sent her the follow up communication. Then wait for a period of a few hours as if you’re waiting for her response (which you are). If you’re working other fish, you should be communicating via email and not through the dating website’s internal messaging system.

MOXIE – If she’s going to monitor your dating profile, that’s her choice. Frankly, I think it’s a good idea to let her see you online. Lest she get a little too comfortable. Don’t go out of your way to make sure she sees that. But don’t hide because you’re afraid she will. You’re indulging her possible need to over-analyze and obsess. I think PM is encouraging you to put way too much thought in to what’s going on in her head. You’re making what is supposed to be fun and possibly lead to the sexy time into a chess game. There is such a thing as over-strategizing.

5.  Finally, if you met her online, went back and forth a bit, did the phone call, did the date, should follow-up to set next meet up always be phone call?  I’m thinking yes.

PM – A phone call is best but you can text her in advance with “I’m going to call you soon” to test her response. A “looking forward to it!” or something similar is a good sign. No response means she’s not that interested in you and the phone call may be a useless exercise.

MOXIE – You could do either. I’d just send a text. I don’t think a phone call is required. Plus, once you set that precedent she’ll hold you to it.

 

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What’s The One Thing You Could Improve/Change About Dating?

In preparation for our upcoming Date Smarter Salon on Dec 7th, I’m writing the outline and companion e-guide.  We’re going to be covering a lot of topics in the class. Such as:

~Online Dating

*How to spot and deal with the time wasters, what behaviors are common, how to make first contact and take thing soff line

~Maintaining Privacy/Security

*Did you know someone can do a Google Image search of your dating profile photos or email address/phone number and get yall kinds of private info?

*How much dating re-con work should you do? How much is considered a violation of privacy?

*How does Facebook and Twitter help/hinder dating and relationships?

~Dating & Sex – Is There Such a Thing As Having Sex Too Soon? -

*How long will a man wait for a woman to decide if she’s ready to take thing to a physical level?

*Do men really judge women for having sex after just 1-3 dates?

~Dating & Finances -

*How has dating changed in the new economy?

*Who pays?

*How have gender roles changed?

~Dating & Commitment

*Why do they act like  aboyfriend/girlfriend but won’t commit?

*Are people committing any more? Why or why not?

*Why do there seem to be more casual and/or Faux-lationships?

 

Here’s my question to you. If you could give the opposite sex (or same sex) advice on any dating related topic…what would it be?

And…

If you could change one thing about dating, what would it be?

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