Did He Get Cold Feet Or Was She Just Getting Too Serious?

Name: Shauna
Age: 29
State: NY
Question: Hit it off with a guy, met him through a mutual friend. Had great chemistry from the moment we met. He would want to see me all the time, hung out with him almost every other day for the first month. He even introduced me to his best friends, had great/fun times. Then one night he happens to go out partying with MY friends and I, so they naturally asked him- what he thought about me and if we were exclusive. And because I like him for his honesty, he replied to them saying- “I have only known her for a month, so I dont know yet.” 2 days later at dinner with just him and I, he decided to be “clear” and asked me if I knew that we weren’t exclusive, and that he wants to keep his options open (as we had already discussed when I first met him). Because we are both at that age, where we want to meet “the one” and settle down…Things were going great for a month in a half and after we had this dinner, his phonecalls became few and far between, texted very little, and I saw him probably twice going into the second month of dating him. I still get texts/phonecalls from him once/twice a week asking me how I’m doing/what I’m upto, etc. He even told me, that he is distancing himself because he does not want to be attached to me, because he came out of a long term relationship, and it hasn’t even been a year. Now given, the type of job he has- he does travel at least once a month. But this is the same guy that in the first month wanted to see me ALL THE TIME, and we had great fun! So my question is: Did he get cold feet? does he really like me? will he come back around? what should I do?

Then one night he happens to go out partying with MY friends and I, so they naturally asked him- what he thought about me and if we were exclusive

No, not “naturally.” That’s not what most people “naturally” do. We typically learn not to ask such personal or pointed questions about someone’s relationship in high school or even junior high. It’s rude and inappropriate. Before you go defending your friends for “looking out for you” let me clarify something. I don’t think your friends intentionally sabotaged you. In fact, I don’t even think your friends thought about you at all before they performed their little inquisition. They weren’t thinking of you. They were thinking of themselves, and now you’ve paid the price.The status of your relationship is none of your friend’s business, and you should be royally pissed that they would even ask such a question. That is, if you didn’t know they’re were going to ask. If you somehow got them to do your bidding, you screwed yourself.

The conversation with your gal pals made him wonder just what you’ve been telling them and what your expectations might be. That’s why he put on the breaks.

Because we are both at that age, where we want to meet “the one” and settle down..

I’m confused. I thought he said he wanted to keep his options open? How does that then translate into “we both want to meet the one?” Methinks you’re processing everything he says through your own filters. Just because you might have said to him that you’re looking for something serious or are ready for “the one” and he agreed doesn’t mean you’re on the same page. I’m sure he would like to meet “the one”…eventually. But not at this very moment. You heard what you wanted to hear, I’m guessing.

He even told me, that he is distancing himself because he does not want to be attached to me, because he came out of a long term relationship, and it hasn’t even been a year.

He doesn’t fear getting attached to you. Break-up, schmake-up. If a man meets someone that he really likes, he’s not distancing himself for fear of “getting too attached.” That’s female logic. That is either how you interpreted his words, as many women are wont to do, or that was his way of trying to tell you – without telling you – that you were just a pit stop.

This guy likes you. He just doesn’t want to be serious with you. He fears you were getting too attached. At this point, that is not what he wants. If he did want to be with you in any capacity other than casual, he would be. The fact that he introduced you to his friends and vice versa means nothing. Say it: it means nothing until it means everything.

A man who tells you he wants to keep his options open isn’t just being honest. He’s all but sending out a memo that says, “You’re not the one.” A smart guy who didn’t want to ruin a good thing would know NEVER to say something like that. You have to acknowledge something. This guy chose to enlighten you on how he feels. Most men wouldn’t do that. They’d just go along until it no longer worked for them. This guy didn’t do that. He made it a point to have a difficult conversation with you.

I would write this guy off as a loss. If he comes back around, he comes back around. Right now, he fears you’re going to want more than he’s interested in giving. Once a guy has that concern, there’s little any woman can do to alleviate him of that.

 

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Beware The Facebook Friend Collector & Guys Who Just Want to Be Friends

Name: Lala
Age: 28
State: MN
Question: I recently separated from my husband. We are getting divorced and I have started dating. My ex has a serious girlfriend.

I had an intense, horrible relationship with someone right out the door. I was not ready to date anyone and it ended very badly. This was very hard for me since I had only been in one serious relationship, the one with my soon to be ex-husband. I was 16 when I met him, 18 when we had our son, and 21 when I married him. I’m now 28. Needless to say, I am very new to dating.

Eventually I was feeling like getting back on the horse and one of my coworkers mentioned an online dating site. I always looked down on them in the past and didn’t really want to do it, but I didn’t want to go to the bar every time I didn’t have my son and end up making the same mistakes with the same kind of guys.
I tried out two. One I paid for and one was free. The paid site was horrible for my confidence. It seemed as though I was not attractive to the kind of guys I was looking for. The free site was like a shock in the water. I received email after email after email!!! I was excited yet kind of taken back by this. I talked to a LOT of guys in the first month on that site and yet only two from the paid site. The two on the paid site were nice and seemed more interested in actual relationships. I only met up with one. He was what I thought I was looking for, but he was not interested in me for more than friendship. That is what he told me after the date anyway. He ended up trying to hook up with me a few times a few weeks later.

I met up with a lot of guys from the free site. All were nice, some more fun than others, all very attractive, but I have yet to make a connection with any of them. They like me and text a lot, but I seem to get to a third date and feel like they are not what I’m looking for.

During the middle of this, and what I am writing this about, I got all dolled up and went dancing with a group of people for my niece’s 21st birthday. I hadn’t really dressed up since before I separated and since I had lost some weight,  I was feeling pretty good and decided  to wear a sexy outfit and show myself off.
We went dancing and I let loose. I had a really great time. Just about to the end of the night, I was standing in an open area away from the dance floor just to the side of the bar. My best friend and I were posing for a picture. We were being kind of silly and having fun with it. After that we went to return to the dance floor. I was approached by a VERY attractive guy. He was dark and handsome and I stood and talked with him for about a half hour. I, being a bit intoxicated, told him he was adorable and was about to walk away when he asked for my number. I gave it to him and went on dancing until the place closed and we all left.
Later that night, he called me while we were getting some food. I walked outside and talked with him for a few minutes and invited him to come hang out with us at the party back at the house. He said he couldn’t but would like to see me again soon.

The next day I didn’t even really remember him getting my number and when I thought about it, I figured he and I were just drunk and he would not end up contacting me again. I was wrong. He texted me the next day and asked how the rest of my weekend was. We chatted a little and friended each other on Facebook. It turns out he is a model and a bartender. I was a little surprised that he had interest in me. Now, I have confidence, but this specimen was a little “out of my league”.

We have continued to talk on the phone from time to time, text and we have made plans to meet up. He got sick the first time, the second time my car broke down.  He texted me on the way back from his sister’s wedding the other day and said that he was thinking about me all weekend.

I have continued to meet up with people from the online site for dates and even met someone the good old fashioned way and went on a couple of dates with him, but this weekend I decided to do something different. I texted him and said: “I know this might be a little out of the blue, but I am a very straight forward person. I know we don’t know each other very well,  but are you interested in me for dating or are you simply looking for friendship?” I got an almost instant response. It usually takes him a few minutes between texts, this was lighting fast. He said: “Well, I don’t know you very well. That is my fault though. I think you are cool and I am going to make time for you this week no matter what.” I was about to reply and he also sent: “I love that you asked that!” I ended up replying with a simple thanks and said for him to get in touch with me this week.

So, long story short, I am wondering if I should count this guy out or if I should try to meet up again and see where it goes. I’m a little skeptical because he is nice, funny and very attractive. I know he has a lot of females in his life. I don’t want to feel “special” if I’m really not.

Thanks,
L

 

This guy is collecting female friends for his Facebook page so he can make himself seem desirable.He’s getting number after number at these clubs where he hangs out, adding them to his phone and maintaining conversations with multiple women at any given time.

Anyone that eager to let you into their Facebook/Twitter/Blog world is probably just seeking attention. They don’t care what you see, what pics you view or what wall posts you read. They just want the addition to their follower count and to show off. They want an audience.

He called later that night after meeting you because he was looking for someone to hook up with and couldn’t find anyone else. That’s all he wants, I think. He’ll probably try to make last minute plans with you should he not have anything else going on. He’ll invest just enough, sending texts and complimenting you. That’s so he can offer that last minute invite and it will seem genuine and not just a last ditch effort.

You’re not special to him. Nobody is.

As for the paid versus free online dating sites, yes, you’re going to kind fewer clowns on the paid sites. There will still be some, but not as many as the free sites. Don’t assume that because someone pays for their membership that that means they’re more serious, though.They’re paying to avoid the flakes and clowns as well as to meet people who actually want to get offline. Also realize that, on the paid sites, many of the people you see with “active” profiles aren’t paying members. That means they can’t email you or respond to messages. That’s part of the reason why you received so few messages.  This is the main reason why I won’t pay for a Match.com subscription or a Nerve Dating membership. I will not use a “free to sign up but you have to pay to contact people” site. They might have a lot of members, but my guess is very few of them pay to be there and have no emailing capability.  At least with a free site you know everybody can reply or respond. There are way fewer fake or dead profiles.

As for your guy who didn’t want more than friendship, dig this: he says that to everybody. PS? Being “just friends” does not involve having sex. Like your Facebook guy, this guy takes out woman after woman and tells her the same story. They agree to be friends because he follows through and wants to “hang out as friends.” Then he makes his move.  He’s just looking for casual hook ups.  If he just came out and said that, nobody would go out with him. So he takes them on a date, tells them he just wants to be friends, hangs out under the guise of being friends and then they hook up.

And…scene.

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The Meek Shall Not Inherit My Vagina

Several months back, I emailed a guy on OKCupid. We exchanged about 3 messages,most of which revolved around our thoughts on the site and online dating in general. Since I don’t do the extended email exchange thing, I responded to his last email by saying, “So, Mr. Username. What’s our next move?”

I was giving him the green light. I awaited his email response with a suggestion of when to meet. Instead I got this:

“Ha well what would you like? And what kind of guy are you attracted to physically?”

Wrong answer. For starters, I emailed him. Ergo, I must have found him physically attractive. I get a question like that and I wonder why it’s being asked. To me, that’s a bad sign. Like maybe he no longer looks like his photos. Or that he’s insecure and needs coddling. Whatever it was, he was stalling.  The moment I sense that, I bail. Of course, within 20 minutes, I had another message from him asking if he had scared me off. I replied and told him that all the questions were giving me pause and that I prefer more assertive men.

He replied assuring me that he was confident and assertive when need be. But, see, what he didn’t do was show me how confident he was. Remember, online dating is about showing. Not telling. That was his opportunity to seize the moment and suggest a certain night when we could meet for a drink. Instead he offered a series of excuses. I didn’t reply. He then emailed me again saying, “Oh well. Guess you’re not interested. If you change your mind you know where to find me.”

Block.

Three strikes and you’re out. Between the multiple follow up messages and strange questions, this guy made it abundantly clear he was ambivalent. Maybe even not terribly interested. Either way, I punched out.

Some will say, and I see their point, that I could have asked him out. But, much like some of you red pillers, I have my own filters. I open the door. If he walks in, then that’s a sign he’s confident and, hopefully, will be easy to deal with. It also indicates a level of genuine interest. If he stalls, as this guy did, that means he needs cajoling or is hesitant for some reason. Not for me. While submissiveness has a time and place, passivity does not. I also threw away my tap shoes, which means I don’t feel a need to perform for some stranger. Meet me or don’t. Just don’t waste my time.

Many will say that I was quick to judge. Yup. Welcome to online dating in 2012. Where everybody judges swiftly and harshly and there are no second chances.Whether this is accurate or not, we all believe we have plenty of options. Granted, many of us have fewer than we realize. But you are never going to convince someone that they aren’t as great of a catch as they think they are. So don’t bother.

This is why messages that simply say, “Hi” get ignored by most women. ( Unless the guy is hot, of course. Then his two character greeting is considered succinct and direct. That’s sexy. The truth is that many people have these arbitrary rules and guidelines that, in the end, mean and prevent us from nothing. They don’t actually work. We just think they do.) It’s not that we all need to feel inordinately special, though many do. We want to meet people that seem like they want to meet us.

I assume that men are communicating with multiple women at any given time. But I don’t want to know it. But that’s how the whole “let’s throw this against the wall and see what sticks” attitude conveyed in exchanges and messages like the ones discussed here come across. Aimless. Random. I’m happy to show interest , but it has to be mutual.

There’s a line between pursuing someone and chasing them.

Nobody wants to have to chase.

 

 

 

 

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Guest Post – Why Guys Think Pics With Cars, Bikes & Fish Are Hot

Name: The Private Man
Website: http://theprivateman.wordpress.com
Story: Men, Online Dating Profiles Photos, Accomplishments

When evaluating online dating profile photographs of men, there are quite a few complaints about the nature of those photos. There is the shirtless photo of the man in the bathroom, the man with his motorcycle (or other motorized vehicle), and the infamous man holding the fish he’s just caught. Women don’t seem to like these photos. Indeed, some are quite put off by these photos.

The problem is that women simply don’t understand men and are only evaluating those photos from a woman’s point of view. Here’s a basic truth about men. We’re proud of our accomplishments. We like to show off our accomplishments. When a man catches a big ol’ fish after an epic struggle, he’s going to hold up that fish proudly and put a big ol’ grin on his face when his photo is taken. He’s saying to the world, “Look what I can do!”. That fish is his accomplishment.

For the most part, women don’t like fishing and simply can’t fathom why a man would be proud of such an accomplishment. The thing is, catching that fish likely took time; intelligence (ever try to outwit a fish? It’s like finding a great shoe sale); physical strength; and if a charter boat was involved, a lot of money.

This same masculine approach applies to the photo of the motorcycle. Riding a motorcycle safely is a huge accomplishment and a man should be proud of that and show off. I ride a motorcycle and while fun, it ain’t safe. The shirtless bathroom photo? That guy’s proud of physique. That takes time and effort.

By the way, women are also proud of their accomplishments but in a qualitatively different way. A woman will often include photos of their kids and/or their pets. She’s telling the world that she has the capacity for love and caring, a uniquely feminine accomplishment. If she has a good figure, you’ll see the same bathroom shot or something similar. Maintaining a good figure is a huge accomplishment for a woman.

In order to stop being so single and actually land a man (love that fishing metaphor!), a woman has to understand men and appreciate them for their unique and very positive masculine approach to life. If that involves some photos that don’t make much sense, it behooves a women to better comprehend the man holding the fish.
City: Fort Lauderdale
State: FL
Age: 49

 

I wanted to add something to this. Here’s what men need to understand about women in this respect. When we see you posing with your car or bike, we think you’re trying to over compensate for something. When we see you wearing sunglasses or a hat in your photos, we think you’re hiding something. If you’re posing with a female, we think you’re trying to prove something.  Basically, what we see is insecurity. I highly doubt that is going to change.

A photo can speak volumes, whether it’s a Facebook profile photo or an image inserted in to a blog post or an online dating profile. There is always a message and a purpose to that photo. Sometimes the message is that the person likes to have fun or is laid back or is generally a positive and pleasant person. But other times, and these are the times when the plan backfires, it’s just blatant attention whoring. Nothing reeks of attention whoring more than some dude posting photos of himself with what he considers to be an attractive woman. Or a fish. Or a car. Or a bike. Or in a tank top. Or shirtless. So while your intended message might be one of accomplishment, the received message is, “I’m a hairy, tank top wearing, fish catching, Cammaro riding douche.” That would be why we pass those profiles over. Because those pictures are dripping with insecurity and egomania. Big deal. You’ve dated other women. You bought a car. You learned how to ride a bike. These are things we’ve all done. They don’t speak to our character or really even to our personality. That’s what we want to see in photos. Flashes of character and personality.

I understand PM’s view that catching  a fish or riding a motorcycle can be considered an accomplishment. It’s just not one that we lady folk find terribly impressive. Mainly because we expect you to be strong. No offense boys, but we can squeeze a nine pound person out of our cervix. You can use a machine at a gym and do some reps? Congrats. Take that 10 pound weight and spend 14 hours pushing it out of your anus. Then we’ll be impressed.  We expect you to be brazen and fearless. We expect you to be able to outwit a goddamn fish. It’s a fish. Not a missile.

I don’t expect this to revolutionize the way men or women choose their photos. The truth is, for every woman in a bikini or showing off her boobies with a cleavage shot, there is a man who will find that attractive. There are plenty of men out there easily taken in by a hot bod. For awhile, of course. And there are plenty of inexperienced simpletons who will be so captivated by a man’s narcissism and blatant indifference that she’ll stay with him and brag to her friends about her “hot” boyfriend.

These people aren’t looking for substance. They’re looking for style. They’re looking for someone that they believe will make them look (and feel) better. People who place emphasis on the shallow aspects of their lives and personalities are not terribly deep themselves.  They’re posting pictures that they believe reflect who they are and what makes them different or special.It’s just peacocking or rubbernecking.

Nobody worth wanting wants someone who puts that kind of emphasis on such things.

 

 

 

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Cultural Differences, Kids, Jobs… Or Just An Excuse Not To Get Serious?

Name: Yesenia
State: WA
Age:  30
Comment: My last 3 boyfriends have been Indian. They were super fun but most of all they  where all very sweet and caring. So what is the problem? The problem was that I was not Indian. I’m an engineer with a masters degree that was about the only thing the moms liked about me. I’m Latin and the last one told me that his mom would die if he took a Latino woman home, right before telling me we had a few months before he had to go back home to marry a women his parents picked for him. My question is why  is it that they bother dating and looking for a relationship they know they will never be able to have without being judged by their family? Do they just want to have fun? If you are an Indian man and you are reading this, Why? why do you make someone like me lose my time and yours?

 

 

Do they just want to have fun?

In a word? Yes. Take the cultural issue out of the equation and this is no different than what happens all the time – Person A knows what they prefer in a serious or long term partner, but date Person B any way, knowing it has no future. Why do they do it? Because they’re thinking of themselves, and not considering the feelings of Person B.

There was a similar discussion a few weeks ago in regards to a man using his family as an excuse to not date someone seriously. While I have no doubt that some cultures do have very strict rules regarding marriage, it also wouldn’t surprise me in the least if people used their families or traditions as an escape clause of sorts. That way they’re not the bad guy. “Oh, baby, if it were up to me I’d TOTALLY be with you. But my family…” That’s a conversation stopper. Say one thing wrong and you risk offending him and his family.

There are a other similar exit strategies that people use:

1. A recent break up or divorce.

2. Kids

3. Jobs

Any time someone brings these up in the first few dates or on an online dating profile, they are laying down a huge boundary and sending a distinct message. This is temporary. This will revolve around me and my schedule. They will use these issues whenever they can. Yes, even kids. Which is why I would always click past any profile on a dating site where the guy was posed with their children or who went out of their way to state that their children are their priorities/center of their worlds. It’s a given that kids will be a priority. I wouldn’t expect anything different. But to make it a point to tell readers of a profile is putting a disclaimer on the ensuing relationship. It’s the same as when people who say  they’re just out of a relationship, looking for friends first, work a lot, etc.

It’s hard to argue against traditions, cultures and religious beliefs. Sure, it’s easy to say, “Geez…he’s an adult. Why can’t he just tell his parents that he wants to choose his own wife?” Easier said than done.  You might end up sounding like you don’t regard or respect that person’s beliefs or cultural traditions. It’s a touchy subject. As antiquated as it may sound to take part in an arranged marriage…it’s not up to you or anyone else to question the validity of such beliefs.

To be honest, I’d be offended if someone ever told me that they could never take me home to meet their family because of my ethnicity, race or faith…but then proceeded to date or have sex with me. If they never even tried to introduce me to their family, that would speak volumes about how they really felt.

I’m not sure at what point in the relationship these men are telling you this. If they told you in the beginning that the relationship had an expiration date, and you stayed, then part of the responsibility lies with you for not only staying with these men, but continuing to date them.

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It’s Not Her, It’s Him

Name: Should I Be Friends
State: Texas

Age: 29
Comment: Dear Moxie,

I met this guy on OKCupid 3 months ago. It was a very good first date and we started dating with no problems right away. He pursued me, treated me very well, we had a great connection and similar relationship goals. He would call me “love”, always make me feel special, make time for me, look at me with this sappy puppy dog look on his face, and valued our relationship. He is very smart, college-educated, and has a good job, and I have a PhD in Biology from a good school. Most of my friends have PhDs or MDs and are pretty “successful”. We are all friendly down-to-earth people who don’t take ourselves too seriously. I also want to say that I am the least intimidating person. I try to make everyone feel comfortable and don’t care about education level because I don’t view myself as anything that special because I have a PhD. One reason I liked him so much was that he never seemed insecure about the differences in education level, and many guys can be….I thought he was different.

Things were going great between us until we started hanging out with my friends a little more. He started to get insecure. Before he would never mention our differences in education, but now little comments would creep up about my going to a better school than him, how he never focused in school and didn’t get the best grades. He’d feel a little upset about not owning property yet….Whereas before he was always positive about his forward movements in life…

Last night after about two weeks of him pulling away he got up the nerve to break up with me (and he had to get drunk to do it). He told me his heart isn’t in it and his friends told him he should break up with me instead of dragging it on because it is unfair to me and I deserve more. He said I am the best girl he has dated and he has the most respect and admiration for me but something “intangible” is missing. He said this was so hard on him… He said he has never asked a girl who he broke up with to remain in his life but he doesn’t want to lose me and wants us to remain friends. I said no. I took the breakup well and didn’t make a big deal about anything but I said I believe it is because of our differences in education and my friends. He said no that isn’t it but he cannot say what it is….

The thing is I really liked the guy and could see us long term. Would you take him up on his friendship offer in maybe a month or so to see if he has come around? Or just let it be….Did I misread those initial signs? Put too much stock in them? I just keep thinking if a good relationship could turn so quickly, then what relationship could possibly work??

Thanks.

 

I don’t think your level of education has anything to do with why he ended things. I think he would have eventually broken up with you anyway. The insecurity sounds like it was always there. The whole bit about feeling intimidated by your friends and your success, to me, rings false. It sounds like an excuse.

That he would say that “his friends” advised him to end things so that you wouldn’t be hurt is rather weak. Even if that were the case, to admit it just looks terribly immature. More likely, he’s using his friends as a way to bolster his decision. Almost like he’s ducking responsibility. “Well, my friends said I should do it.” To quote pretty much everyone’s Mom, “If your friends told you to jump off a bridge, would you?” It’s like when someone tries to defend their opinion by saying that “others” agree with them. Oh. Well. If that’s the case, then you MUST be right.

This guy lacks confidence. Any time he’s around someone he’ll probably find something to compare himself to and to use as a reason to beat himself up. It’s unfortunate. But it’s not about you. He knew that his choice to end things was based on nothing tangible. He even said as much. That’s why he dragged his friends in to it. It’s funny how people reveal themselves and their true motives without even realizing it, isn’t it? He knows there is nothing specific he can point to, and that his decision to break up with you was probably based on nothing but his own insecurity. But he can’t or maybe won’t admit to it. Few can or do.

I just keep thinking if a good relationship could turn so quickly, then what relationship could possibly work??

Ahh. But this was never a good relationship in the first place. That’s the mistake you’re making with that thinking. I’m not sure there is anything you could have done to prevent this from happening. He said all the right things. There may have been signs all along that you ignored. Maybe things seemed “too” perfect or ideal. That right there is a big red flag. But then, some times relationships just click and they work. There’s no real litmus test other than your gut. And time.

Don’t use this is as a reason to think no relationship can work. True compatibility takes time to develop and discern. Now, if you keep finding yourself in this situation, well then that’s a different story. But for the purpose of this post, I’ll go on what you shared. And what you shared makes it seem like this guy has some issues that he needs to work out.

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Beware The Don Draper Syndrome

Comment: I am in dire need of some insight into a situation I’ve recently experienced. Before I begin, let me tell you some things about myself that I believe have relevance here. I’m a 34-year-old female, never been married; pretty fit and decently attractive. I’m a prolific first-date dater and I’ve never had a serious, long-term relationship. Growing up I was painfully shy, and while my shyness faded in my 20s I was still an extreme introvert. In the last five years or so, I’ve made concerted efforts to be more outgoing and have made changes in my life to make me a healthier and more available candidate for sharing my life with someone.

I don’t think of myself as being picky about men (certainly though, that could be true of me in my 20s). If someone asks me out or I’m contacted via an online dating site and he doesn’t creep me out or disgust me in some fashion I usually say yes. But… I’ve never been interested in dating for the sake of dating. If I don’t see potential for something more serious in a man within the first five dates or so, I move on. I just can’t fake interest, and I grow irritated and frustrated and eventually resentful when men start wanting to move things to the next level and I still feel nothing (which is why I never get past 4-5 dates). I’ve been out with many nice men, but I felt nothing, no inkling of attraction on any level. I’ve spent nearly every date I’ve ever been on thinking “please don’t let this be the night he tries to kiss me”. That’s not to say that I’ve never been attracted to anyone, but the time in between meeting these men is measured in years. For a long time I thought I was asexual.

Fast forward to July, where after years of online dating, dating services, and meeting people through common interests/activities, I meet “John”. John contacted me via an online dating site. (This entire story, by the way, runs about five weeks). We exchanged a few emails and found we had a few things in common. We agreed to meet for drinks. I’ve learned to expect nothing from these meetings other than some pleasant conversation and an opportunity to meet someone new. It sounds corny, but when I first saw him, there was an instant click. (This never happens to me). He was a gentleman; funny, thoughtful, and intelligent. His picture did not do him justice. We had a great conversation; we got kicked out of a restaurant before we called it a night. Before we parted, he said he wanted to take me out on a real date and so we made plans for the weekend. Our next date went just as well, and again we talked late into the evening. We delved more into what each of us was looking for in a relationship, and agreed that we were looking for similar things. He brought up the thought that he sensed chemistry between us, and I agreed. I thought he had a lot of the qualities that I was looking for in a partner, and I was attracted to him on multiple levels.

Our third date was not quite as smooth. He was a bit moody and distant at the start, but bounced back towards the end of the evening. I didn’t read much into it at first. The next time we met we had sex (I had been by this point fantasizing about sex with him), and the evening ended with a long stroll through the neighborhood and more wonderful conversation. He did the gentlemanly things, like opening doors and walking on the street side of the sidewalk. He listened to me attentively. I felt like we were making a real connection. I told him I’d like to see him again, and a few days later we meet again, but this time he’s moody and distant. We met in the early evening and I was expecting to grab dinner, but he says he already ate. The air is thick with tension, so thick that I ask if he wants me to leave. He tells me to stay. We have sex again, but the evening ends as awkwardly as it began. I didn’t hear from him for days afterward (normally he’ll text me a good morning just to say hi). I start to wonder what that means and I call him just to say hi. He’s again moody and distant, and doesn’t sound interested to hear from me. He says he’ll call me tomorrow but doesn’t.

A few more days pass, and my mind starts churning. I start to wonder. My last “relationship” was with a best-friend-turned-boyfriend who ended up using me for sex. When I continue not to hear from him I send him a text asking him what sort of game he’s playing. (Bad way to handle it, I know). He’s angry with me and I don’t hear from him.

A few days later I call him. I’m angry but I want to know what’s going on, and want to give him the benefit of the doubt, as I’d hate to have things end over a misunderstanding, if that’s what it was. My intention was to find what his intentions were, but somehow the conversation morphs into being all about me. He said my text hurt him; that he’s a sensitive guy, scared (he actually used that word) and he’s been burned in the past. He said he doesn’t like aggressive women (I don’t see myself in any way aggressive, so I’m not sure where that came from). He says I don’t talk much and I need to open up more (a fair statement). One troubling comment that continued to bother me was that he said he wanted a kind woman (basically, implying that I am not). He used examples such as: he offered me part of his meal, I declined, but I failed to offer him any of mine; and I’ve never invited over to my place (and cook dinner for him) even though he’s invited me over to his (I was in the process of major spring cleaning and I knew he was a neat freak. Also, I don’t have a habit of entertaining people in my home, which is not to say I’d never invite him over). I admit to not always being fluent in social graces (I isolated myself from people through most of my 20s) but my intentions are never purposefully hurtful. I find it helpful when people point these things out, though I’d be the first to admit it is no one’s responsibility but mine to remember these things. Still, I think his comments are overblown.

We reach an understanding and things begin to move forward again. This phone conversation is followed by a number of others, and many nights over the following week or two we have 2+ hour conversations (I’m a girl who often has guys complain that I don’t call enough!), initiated by both of us. I invite him over to my place and cook for him. The evening was memorable and we seem to really click. He brings me some things that I’ve mentioned that I’ve needed but never picked up for myself. He’s very thoughtful. We’re comfortable with each other and I feel like he really listens to me.

I ask if he wants to get together again. We agree to meet again at my place, but this time I want to do an activity of some sort, as I feel the focus so far has been too much on sex. I make a few suggestions but he doesn’t want to do any of them. Finally we make plans to check out a new restaurant, but when he gets to my place, he is again moody, distant, and not hungry. I ask him if he is okay and he says he is tired. Meanwhile I’ve had a very stressful day and I need to vent, but he doesn’t ask me anything about it. I insist on dinner because I’m hungry, but also because I think that the evening would turn into nothing more than a sex date if we didn’t get out. At dinner he is moody, distant, and a little curt. I don’t have much to say, as I’m still stressed and he’s making me uncomfortable. He makes a comment about something that I find funny, and I call him, in a playful manner, weird for thinking so. He responds offended that no one likes being called weird. I feel like I’m walking on eggshells. He makes a comment as to how this is how it’ll always be if he doesn’t open his mouth. When the bill comes I say let’s go dutch, whereas normally we’d take turns paying. He insists on paying. Dinner is a mess.

We get back to my place, and he’s still moody, but I invite him up for a few minutes (I have no intention of having sex). We sit for a little bit and I suggest watching TV. After a few minutes he says he can’t stay late. We talk a little bit and as we’re sitting my legs brush against his, and he moves away from me. I don’t ask him about it. He eventually gets up to leave and as I approach him he swings the door open and walks out with an angry “bye” and slams the door. I must of stood staring at the door for two minutes thinking, WTF. It occurred to me later that I was a bad host as I forgot to offer him something to drink, even though I made a special trip to pick up what he likes (this is going back to his comment about being kind). Over the next week I call him twice, first to say I wanted to talk about what happened and the second to apologize if I offended him. I know it’s lame to call back before he’s had a chance to do so, but I know he’s sensitive and I didn’t think he’d initiate this type of call  (he’s a little shy) but might be willing to talk. I never hear from him again.

I am perplexed as to what happened here. I fluctuate between: 1) him never being all that interested in me and using me for sex, 2) that I scared him off, 3) that I was too easy and not a challenge so he got bored (even though I’m the most non-prolific lover I know), 4) I’m not what he’s looking for, or 5) he’s got serious issues that have nothing to do with me. I am very angry and upset by how this whole thing played out. I feel like he’s judged me and made assumptions about me that are not correct. I’ve felt like an emotional yo-yo, but it’s really my fault for getting emotionally invested in someone I didn’t know all that well or for very long. What I do know is that sometime after the first time we had sex I became the initiator of dates. Maybe I was too forward here, and I admit I wanted to see him on a weekend (he works every other weekend) so I could change things up a bit, as doing nothing but eating date after date has left me bored when I’ve dated other men and I didn’t want that to happen here. Additionally, I was still concerned we were too focused on sex. Maybe my taking the lead made me sound needy or pushy, or that I was imposing too much of myself too quickly.

I feel like we were communicating in different languages and constantly misinterpreting each other’s actions and words. I am saddened by how all this played out but also perplexed. He’s the first man I’ve ever met that I wanted to try to make things work with, or to at least see if there’s something special here, and I was hoping that he would put forth the same effort. I do not have a long string of prior relationships to use as comparisons, where did I go wrong here? Was I a doormat? And is this about me or about him?

State: VA  Age:34  Name: Erika

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Well, it’s about both of you. But let’s start with him first.

One word that immediately makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up is “moody.” I don’t know of this guy truly is moody…or if he just likes to be withholding or disapproving in some way so that women will work harder for his approval. I’m guessing it’s the latter here. I don’t like this guy one bit. He has you second guessing every move you make. That should ALWAYS be a red flag to anyone.

Here’s why I’m so suspicious: The awesome first date! The date that surpasses all others and seems ideal. I’d guess that, nine times out of ten, those situations either go nowhere or they flame out pretty quickly. People like this man – and I’m talking about men and women here – present themselves as so impressive and wonderful on that first meeting. And then they change. Right when they know they have you. The minute you start expressing any kind of insecurity, they’ve got you. It’s a manipulation tactic. Someone who changes faces that quickly and that often is a person to avoid. We all have our bad days. But this guy seems to have them frequently, and inflicts them upon you. That is abuse. Don’t stand for it.

This guy is often trying to make you feel like you aren’t doing enough or not appreciating his efforts, yes? Yeah. And if you say something, even in a teasing way, that refers to him in any way other than positive, he gets mighty snappy, right?

Run. Do not walk. This guy is toxic. I call it the Don Draper Syndrome, after the lead character in TV’s Mad Men. This guy is a controlling, manipulative person. Serial egoist and narcissist. The only women who stick around for men like this are the ones impressed by the charm and trimmings. Or women who think that by getting the attention of this man it is somehow a reflection on their worth. Kind of like Meghan, the naive and simple and alarmingly young secretary that Don proposed to at the end of last season. Faye, the educated psychologist, was tossed aside.  She was getting too close to seeing Don for the imposter that he was. Plus, well, she was needy and insecure and had her own issues. A Don Draper will rarely date a woman on his level. Those women run too high of a risk of threatening Don’s tenuous self-esteem. They’ll go for younger, or less educated and professionally unestablished types. That way Don has more power in the dynamic. The easier it is to manipulate you, my dear. Don’s way of showing a woman he cares is to brag in some way and show her off. But really, it has nothing to do with her. Her existence in his world barely matters other than to prove he’s desirable.

The Don Drapers offer nothing more than the idea of prestige. Pretentious parties, fancy suits, “glamour,” gifts, etc. They are distractions from the real man. They want props, not people. Don Draper married trophy wife Betty, the blonde, beautiful model. She was nothing more than an extension of his self-loathing and narcissism.She was  someone to look good on his arm and to provide opportunities to have his picture taken. If Don Draper existed today he would LIVE for Facebook and Twitter.

Whenever Betty dared speak up to Don, like to call him on his rampant cheating, he’d go on the defensive and try to belittle her. Which usually worked, because she had no sense of self either. Fun Fact: Don Drapers are often cheaters. Because it’s all about them and their needs.  Don Drapers need a woman with no real identity outside of her man. The last thing a Don wants is  woman who sees through the smoke and mirrors act.

OP, your guy didn’t ask you about your day because he didn’t care. It’s all about him. You are there to validate his existence, not vice versa. He continues to critique you, telling you you don’t trust enough, are too this or too that. He’ll make light of things that matter to or bother/hurt you. It’s all to make you vulnerable and keep you focused on you. That way you’ll be too distracted to see all his shortcomings and flaws.  This man is not capable of having a healthy relationship. With anybody. He’s not scared, nor has he been “burned.” (Boo hoo.) He wants you to be sympathetic so that you don’t even think about turning the tables on him. The Don Drapers always present themselves with low bandwith in some regard so you’ll gingerly walk on eggshells with them and not call them on anything. Usually these people ( women can fall under this category, too) are just an act. A fabricated character. Just like Don aka Dick Whitman, who stole somebody’s identity so he could forget his past as the poor/common son of a prostitute.

Fuck that noise.

The greatest fear for someone like this is to know you see right through them. They present an image. Not a real person. Deep down they don’t really like themselves. Fun Fact Part Deux: These people are usually heavy drinkers. In the latest season of Mad Men, Don Draper’s facade was falling away. His wife left him, his business was failing. In short, he was a mess. And it showed all over his face. He’d sit alone in his apartment writing in his journal, scotch or bourbon by his side because he needed the booze to help him face his demons. The contempt they exhibit for others? It’s really for themselves.

Don’t you dare give this man another inch. You’ve already let him in and see what chaos he’s created within you? Stick with this guy and he will weaken you. But then, you were prime for the picking. Here’s why:

You already think you’re damaged somehow. You think because you haven’t had a long term relationship or can’t seem to find anybody that there’s something “wrong” with you. Well, there’s good news and bad news. Bad news? There is something broken. Good news? It can be fixed. You said  a key word in your letter: isolation. You isolated yourself for a long time. Man oh man, the damage we can do to ourselves when we live trapped in our heads. The abuse we suffer at our own hands.  You’ve been second guessing yourself your whole life, maybe even beating yourself up. You have to stop doing that. You grow irritated with yourself (note: not the men you date) because you don’t feel what you think you need to feel. There you are, being hard on yourself. You sit on those dates and you fear that they’ll want more, before you’re ready. It’s all self-sabotage. You’re afraid that these men will see you for the , excuse me, “broken” person you think you are.

Listen. We are all broken in some way. There’s aspects to what you’ve written that, unfortunately, I don’t feel qualified to address. That’s why you need therapy. You need to change how you perceive yourself. If you don’t, you’ll continue to fall for guys like this. Hollow, empty men who have to mentally beat a woman in to submission just to get her to stay with him. Congrats, brah.

 

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Name: cdales |  Location: New York , NY |Question: Hi Moxie

I’m sure you’ll hear this and go same story different situation but I’ve been reading you’re advice and find your angle/take on the situation refreshingly simple and honest.  I’ve had this one situation in my dating career pester me and would love to get your insight on what actually happened…Here is goes…

Met and started dating the brother of my close friends boyfriend.  Things were going great – the first week was the “I’m so into you/I really like you” (BTW read your response regarding the saying nice things in the beginning as a way of knowing if you’re into him, totally interesting perspective).  After our first date he asked me out for the next day (I declined but rain checked) he started emailing me everyday…multiple times….followed by texts after the work day ended.  Frankly, I freaked out the first week because it was a little intense for me, but I still tried to keep my cool.   I kind of liked the emailing aspect, it was an interesting way to get to know someone.  The one weird point was after 2 weeks in he stopped trying to see me or it felt like it.  Same emailing everyday, same “what are you doing tonight?”, but he seemed to shy out of trying to hang.  I started to call him my penpal basically.  Granted I do understand that his job is 7:30 – 4:30 and then a lot of time out with clients/co-workers “schmoozing” if you will.  Mine is the same, and yes I know letting work get in the way is, well a cover for me.  So after once suggesting we hang out and didn’t I never tried that again.  I actually never really initiated conversation, let him sort of control as I was feeling it out.

Our last date/interaction was a mess…namely he was.  He was out with my friend/his brother and I came and met up with them later on (had plans that day).  He was a mess from the night before, was embarrassed about it and pointed out that we had to hang under better circumstances.  I spent the night (we were not even close to sleeping together at this point in our dating scheme).  Next morning was fine, he texted me after work, I replied, then he replied.  Then….nothing.  Normally I go with actions speak louder than words and he’s not into me.  A week later his brother was under the influence and gave me an earful about the guy I was dating/his brother.  Massive diatribe all unprovoked (I made it a point to NEVER speak about his brother with him) He had apologized because he told his brother to stop emailing as much bc it was too much (or something along those lines), he just didn’t realize that I didn’t mind getting in touch everyday.  His main points were that he’s loves his brother but 1) he’s an emotional child 2) all the girls he ever dated prior were idiots and I was the first ‘smart girl’ he had dated, which was ‘good’ because I was there to ‘push back’ and that’s why he knew his brother liked me 3) he has to ‘control’ situations 4) he is paralyzed by insecurity and the fear of being rejected.  I know we all are, but I can relate to the deep fear, all consuming all controlling feeling.  It happens to me a lot.

I did break and text him once a month later after all this.  Something along the lines of an inside joke, and ended with hope you’re well.  No questions necessary. He responded with a series of questions and I sorta played it cool.  Short response, no questions.  My guess was if he was into me then he’d continue. 

Any insight on what went down?  I’ve never had the juxtaposing behavior of I like you let’s talk everyday to … nothing.  Always on the fence of what went down and well, if he’s worth trying to get in touch with again.  I still think about him alot, which is weirder, dated plenty since then. 

If you have the chance I’d love to hear your feedback.

Thanks for your time,
C |Age: 26

This can be summed up quite easily.

He’s a mess.

The brother told you that he was, at times, paralyzed by insecurity and the fear of being rejected. Boom. Done. That’s all you need to know. It’s one thing to fear rejection. We all do. But to be “paralyzed” by it is not the same as having the occasional bout of insecurity.  This guy doesn’t even make his own decisions. His brother told him to stop emailing you. And he did it. Case closed. This guy is an emotional wreck. You don’t want him when he’s in this shape. 

What went down is that he isn’t any good with relationships. He probably usually dates girls who do all the heavy lifting and work. Not because he’s lazy but because he hasn’t a clue what to do. Do you want to be someone’s partner and equal or do you want to be someone’s nursemaid and caretaker?

You’re trying to rationalize irrational behavior. That’s what has you stuck. That’s where so many of us get stuck. Someone acts really in to us, shows signs of interests then puts the walls up  without warning. That’s not rational. I’m not saying the guy is crazy…just in need of some serious fixin’. But that is not your job. Don’t fall in to that pattern of taking in all the stray dogs and wounded birds. It’s great to be compassionate and kind. But there are some people that can’t be saved by love. That’s a Lifetime movie.

You don’t have to help him. Just don’t hurt him.

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