READER RANT – Why Can’t Some Guys Totally Let Go?

Why do men get back in contact with you when they are in a serious, established relationship?  I dated a guy about 4 years ago, and it was serious.  We dated for 6 months, and he seemed to have some concerns about the relationship but did not voice them clearly to me.  At the time he said “something is missing” but that he wasn’t sure what it was.  We ended things amicably and I defriended him on Facebook at that time.  I was disappointed, but life moved on.   Two months after we ended things, he attempted to surprise me at my place, saying that he wanted to talk to me.  I politely declined as I am not one for surprises in that capacity but wished him well.  This upset him at that time, and we have not spoken since then.  In January of this year, one day he sent me a FB friend request.  I accepted, out of mild curiosity and a bit of nosiness.   I know that on my end, there will never be any future interest in him, and that is why I was indifferent to the idea of FB friendship.  So upon seeing his page, he has a serious girlfriend, and they are happy together.  It’s clear that their families are entertwined, and that they are a very established couple.  Cool beans. 
 
At the time he added me, he began to comment on my page pretty consistently, to the point that one of my friends asked me whether or not the guy and I were rekindling things.  I advised that we weren’t, and I continued to be polite, generic, and friendly as I would be to anyone on my page.  It never crossed into flirtation on either part.  I’ve never commented on his page otherwise or made any attempts to initiate conversation with him.  Through FB updates and the like,  I found out that he bought his first home this summer and proposed to his then girlfriend.  I’m glad that he is so happy.  He inboxed me on my birthday, and I left a generic message on his wall for his birthday, returning the favor.  Recently he defriended me just as randomly as he added me in the first place. 
 
But still…why on earth would he reach out to me after so long?  What was he expecting to see / hear from me?  My page is very generic, as I’m a very private person.  He knows this, so if the point was to dig for information, nothing substantial would be found.  I mean, you’re happy with your life.  Why reach back to the long ago past?
I had a similar situation a few months ago. A guy I had dated about 3 years ago would send me emails to say hello and catch up. One night this past spring, he sent me a text message wanting to get together. “My curiosity has gotten the better of me” he said. (We had never slept together.)  The man I was dating at the time was there and an awkward situation followed. The next day I replied to the guy and told him he was never to contact me like that again. I went on to say that he should think twice before sending a woman a text like that on a weekend night as he might be creating an uncomfortable situation for her. He apologized profusely. A couple months later he sent an email telling me how much he liked my new Facebook profile photo. (We had become FB friends around the time we had dated.) The other day, he appeared in my FB timeline. It was a photo of him with his new bride right after their wedding a few weeks ago. I wasn’t mad or bothered in any way. But then, doing what I do, I see and hear a lot of things. It doesn’t surprise me to hear that a man about to be married or engaged is still creeping around the Facebook page/Blog/Twitter feed of someone he dated.

A certain someone needs to read less of my blog (behind his wife’s back) & maybe, I don’t know, focus on his marriage? #ForShitsSake

 

Last summer I discovered another guy I had been involved with also snooping around my social media profiles. I made it clear to him privately that I didn’t appreciate his presence and asked him to stop. Instead of just saying he understood and would retreat, he said I was “ascribing a deep psychology” to why he was popping by. “I added you to my blog roll because I enjoy your perspectives” he said.  I made sure he got as much out of my perspectives as he possibly could from that point on. Nobody likes feeling monitored. Especially by people who, for the most part,  treated you like dirt under their fingernails.

Why do they do it? I think there are different reasons.

1. They want to be sure that they’ve got everything out of their system - I think the guy who sent me a text probably wanted to slide in one last go round before he popped the question. We never get that stuff out of our system. We will always be looking or lusting. Commitment doesn’t temper that.

2.They want to see if they’re still on your mind- In the case of Mr. Ascribe a Deep Psychology, he also mentioned in our email conversation that he was currently up to up to speed on what was going on with not only his most recent ex-girlfriend but high school girlfriends. Meanwhile, he had a new girlfriend at the time. Why was he so plugged in to the lives of Exes? My guess is he didn’t want to be totally forgotten by any of us.

3. Something is prevent them from moving on – Maybe it’s guilt. Maybe it’s a sexual attraction. Maybe it’s genuine feelings. Whatever it is, these guys are having a difficult time detaching. Staying connected through social media is a way to safely maintain any connection at all without crossing lines. I wrote a long time ago that Facebook and Twitter make break ups that much harder to let go. This is why.

4. They hate being thought of as “the bad guy” or wondering “what if?” - Mr Ascribe a Deep Psychology had sent me a 2,000 apology letter last May. Several weeks later I ended up unblocking him on Facebook. A week later, he blocked me even though we hadn’t spoken since his apology and despite me wishing him well in his new relationship. Had I not foolishly checked his page, I wouldn’t even have known. Phony apologies and Wall Flirting are empty gestures extended for self-serving purposes. These guys are trying to alleviate a guilty conscience. OP, your guy only friended you to see what was going on with you. When his curiosity was sated and he realized you wouldn’t give him what he wanted, he left.

5. They want to keep a door open in case things don’t work out – Never before was it easier to maintain a harem, cheat or keep your options open. At any given moment we can find that ex that we had great sex with and inbox them. Men and women both cultivate a Back Up roster. These people are Break In Case of Break Up Lays.

I’ve said this before. I bet most men and women would be shocked to know what their partners are doing behind their backs. Even the most solid, upstanding of men and women are prone to engage in a little extra-curricular social media activity.

Thoughts?

 

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How Soon Can You Tell That They’re Not Relationship Material?

Name: Alexis
Age: 43
State: CA
Question: I recently had a blind date that went well with a lot of good conversation, laughs and both of us stating a desire to see each other again. And yes, he told me he was very attracted to me physically and we kissed and were a bit affectionate at the end of the date.  The next day I get an email from this guy saying he does not think we are a good match for a long-term relationship but could we be friends.  Though I felt wrongly-judged by this I decided that I would like to get to know him as a friend.  So we had another date and I asked him more about how he knew I was not a good match for him for the long-term after having been on only one date.  He replied that he knew within an hour of being with me and that his instinct told him that.  This was fine with me because I did not have strong feelings for him either way.

So my question is “Do most people know in such a short time if your date is long-term relationship potential?”  All that I know after 15 minutes or after one date is if I want to have another date and if I am attracted to the person physically or otherwise. Is this true for most daters?  How much can you possibly know without knowing the person that well and is  that automatic instinct something we should be listening to or not?  Looking forward to hearing  people’s opinions.  Thanks.

ps: I am NOT wanting opinions on the actual date or the guy’s intentions because it does not matter.  Thanks.

 

Howsabout you let me decide what I choose to write about? See, answering these letters isn’t just about the person who submitted the question. It’s about dressing broader issues so that there will be a take away for everybody.

Though I felt wrongly-judged by this I decided that I would like to get to know him as a friend.  So we had another date

No, you didn’t have another date. Because you’re not dating, remember? You’re just friends.

I asked him more about how he knew I was not a good match for him for the long-term after having been on only one date.  He replied that he knew within an hour of being with me and that his instinct told him that.

Oh. Then why did he express interest in seeing you again and act all affectionate if his inner Oracle is so damn accurate and delivers such speedy results? Inconsistency.

I believe that he doesn’t see you as being long-term relationship material. And I agree that people know pretty quickly- even after one date -  when there’s little chance of long term compatibility. I don’t believe the opposite, however. I don’t believe that people can know or even suspect that someone is long term relationship material after one date.  I don’t think they could know that even after one year. Making that determination takes time, maturity and experience.

People need to have a mature understanding of relationships and compatibility. Thinking that you and your partner are compatible because you share similar senses of humor or love of activities is immature. In order to figure out what you really want and what is important, you have to learn what you don’t want. That’s where the experience comes in. Someone who is in their first adult relationship doesn’t have anything to which they can compare their current relationship.

Now I see why you didn’t want me to comment on his intentions. You want to believe that this guy is genuinely interested in being your friend. That he  really likes you..just not that way. I’m sorry, but I’m going to call bullshit on your claim that it doesn’t bother you that he told you you weren’t long term relationship material. If it didn’t bother you, you wouldn’t have asked him to further explain himself.

I’m also going to call bullshit on this guy’s supposed interest in being friends. Yes, I know. Some of you will rush to share your stories about how the time you said you agreed to be friends with someone you went out with was different. Of course it was. Men usually keep women around for two reasons – social proof and sex. Rarely, though it does happen, do men actively befriend women because they enjoy their company or their perspectives on life. That is unless there’s a pre-established relationship. Like, say, with an ex. Not with a woman with whom he had one date.

This guy doesn’t want to be your friend. This guy wants to casually date you and have sex with you without any commitment. That was his plan all along. He lured you in with the promise of a relationship, got you where he wanted you, then dropped the anvil. And there you are holding on to his coat tails, all excited that he saw something in you that he probably doesn’t see in other women.

Boooooooooooooooooooooo!

So my question is “Do most people know in such a short time if your date is long-term relationship potential?”

And do you know why you want to know other people’s thoughts on this? Because you want to believe that there’s still hope and that he’ll change his mind. There isn’t and he won’t.

Now let’s open up the floor to everybody else.

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The Big Three – Age, Location & Body Type

Name: JP
State: MA
Age: 39
Comment: I met a guy at one of your speeddating events last month. We ended up being a mutual match and set up a date right away. The date went really well (I thought) and at the end of the night he walked me to my car and asked to see me again.

At the end of the week I received an email from him and he told me that he had been out with someone else from the event twice and had decided to see where that went instead of trying to date two different women. I said I understood and wished him luck. Was he lying and didn’t want to tell me he wasn’t interested? Isn’t the whole point of dating to meet different people?

 

Okay. I did a little research based on your email address and pulled up your attendance and match history. You’ve been to a couple of our speeddating events and you always get at least one match. So that’s a good sign.  But here’s what else I noticed. At the speeddating events you’ve attended, all of the men were from Boston or the surrounding areas (Brookline, Alston, etc.) You, however, lived in a suburb. Actually very close to my home town, which is wicked pissa. Via car, that is an almost 30 minute commute. 45 if you include parking. By train it’s about an hour commute.

Do I think that, if you lived in Boston proper, you would have seen him again? I don’t know. I know a lot of men who don’t like to juggle simply because they aren’t good at it, forget certain stories etc and just find the whole idea of juggling overwhelming. So he could very well be telling the truth. However, where you lived and the commute definitely pushed you over in to the “No” category.

Everybody has one of those detractors. Something pretty big that takes off points. Age, location, body type are the big three.

Let’s start with Age. It’s not rocket science. Men will almost always choose younger. That’s it.

Location. I will brace my self for the inevitable accusations of being an elitist snob when I say this. Location matters. As I said to people at our He Said/She Said event (we’re planning one for Boston in March, btw) recently, if you live in a suburb or in New Jersey then you’re pretty much wasting your time and money signing up for a singles/social event in Manhattan. The reality is that if someone lives in a big city like Boston or DC or Manhattan, they don’t have to leave that city to date. And no, it doesn’t count that you work in the city and are “there all the time.” There is always somebody to date in either Manhattan, Queens, Astoria or Brooklyn. We have everything we need in a nice comfy little radius. That’s why people generally live in a city like Boston or Manhattan or Chicago or DC. Convenience.

Body Type. Okay. Another area where I’ll brace myself for backlash. Being overweight or out of shape in a city that places a strong emphasis on looks/health is not good. It’s a big factor in why someone – male or female – might struggle. Note: If you don’t struggle and do just fine with your body type, then I’m not addressing you. There are plenty of women who do just fine because they carry themselves so well and know their audience. I will say this and say it with the best of intentions – if you’re constantly meeting people who treat you poorly, blow you off, have difficulty getting dates, meet people that have sex with you and never call, use you for free meals etc and you’re carrying around a noticeable amount of extra weight, lose it. Instead of bitching to friends or on blogs, use that time at the gym if only because it will help you live longer and stay healthy.  You and your date might have a fine time together. But if there is someone on the roster who is thinner and just as engaging, guess who is probably going to get the top slot on that person’s dating card?

This is the challenge of dating, especially online dating or speeddating, where people are presented with multiple options. Like that CNN article I posted recently said, that has created a “shopping cart mentality” amongst singles. That’s why it’s important to either accept the reality of your situation or do something to change it and improve your odds.

JP, maybe you should try to date men in your area. If you’re looking for more “sophisticated” guys, then my suggestion is to move closer to the city. Same goes for people in Long Island/New Jersey. You’re competing against convenience, and that is a difficult contest. On the topic of “sophistication” please allow me to say this…A lot of people like to come in to the city for the “culture” and the “sophisticated” atmosphere. For some reason, many people who don’t live in a big city think that the average dater is hob knobbing with Andy Warhol or rich financiers. I think this is another by product of Sex & The City. Maybe on occasion we attend a poetry reading or an art gallery opening, but for the most part we don’t really do anything more than dinner or drinks on dates.

I can remember taking a tour of HowAboutWe.com, a niche dating site where people post profiles along with interesting date ideas, and wondering if people actually did any of those activities on first dates. Personally, I find activity first dates to be rather awkward. But that’s me. In any case, we’re really not as exciting or “sophisticated” as some people who live outside a big city might think. Like I said, most of us live here for the convenience and similar mindsets. Not the culture. People who choose to come to or live in Manhattan “for the culture” are usually either pretentious snobs who are neither intellectual nor cultured or people from small towns with a romanticized idea of what “big city living” is really like.

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