Is Having A Man The Only Thing You Care About?

Name: Princess Leia
Age: 25
State: TN
Question: How do I end up with a guy who only sees me as an option, for now? I met this incredible guy 5 years ago and he has told me he is not ready for a relationship because he is a musician but not the “typical” musician. We only talk a few times a week and see each other rarely. He is extremely attracted to me and I to him. And even though, he says he wants to see me soon all the time he doesn’t make plans to. I understand he is living it up right now and I give him his space because I don’t want to pressure him, but I really like him and I just want to know he will one day be mine. :)

Any feedback is appreciated!!

I’m not quite sure what, if anything, is going on between you two. It sounds to me like you’re a tad obsessed with a guy who, for the most part, isn’t all that interested in you.

Being attracted to someone and actually caring for them are two different things. This guy says he wants to see you but never makes the time. There’s your answer. Hon, you’re not even an option to this guy. You’re just some young girl with stars in her eyes.I don’t say that to hurt you. I say that to snap you out of this haze you appear to be in right now. He’s never going to be yours. You’re not giving him space. That’s your way of rationalizing the the situation. In order to give him space you’d actually have to be taking up space in his life. You’re not. This is kind of like when women go on about how they broke up with a guy when really they just finally took the hint that the guy wasn’t all that interested and left. Sure, you can say you broke up with him. But that’s not really what happened.

Here’s a question for you: don’t you want anything else out of life? I’m not sure what the hell is in the water in Tennessee that makes girls from there so, I don’t now, dependent on men and marriage and having a man. Maybe that’s all they groom your for down there. I don’t know. But I have yet to come across a twenty something girl from Tennessee/The South who didn’t seem to want much out of life other than a man.

Don’t you have any passions or interests? Why are you worried about a man being “yours” at 25 years old? You have everything ahead of you. Why throw all of that to the wayside just for a guy? A guy who can barely manage to see you, no less.

I guess what I hate to hear in the letter is how your life seems to revolve around this barely present male. To me that just seems wrong. He’s just a guy.  I sound crotchety and old, I know. But really, don’t you have a plan for yourself? If not, you should. Do you know why? Because in these times it’s really, really unwise to rely upon a relationship to fulfill you.

Let’s say you and Mr. Rock Star do get together. What then? Marriage? Kids? What? What’s your plan?  You can’t wait until you’re 35 years old to suddenly wake up and remember that you forgot to get a degree, or choose a career path, or develop an identity, or have kids. This is stuff you have to put into action now. You can’t sit back and wait for some semi-employed jug band leader to wake up and realize you’re The One. He has lots of Ones, hon. Lots. You are one of many, many Ones. You don’t see him trying to balance a career and a relationship, do you? No. He’s out there living his life. Not sure what kind of a life it is, but it’s his.

Where’s yours?

You want to be in a position where you get to choose which door to open and what path to take. That’s where he is right now. He’s unfettered and living his life. You don’t want to settle down because that’s what you’ve been told is what girls like you should do. You want to do it because you’ve had various experiences and now choose to sacrifice certain things. That way there’s less of a chance you’ll have regrets.

In 5 years you’re not going to even remember this guy. You’re not even going to be the same person. You’re going to change. At least I hope. The idea of some young girl latching on to a guy at your age makes me cringe because there’s a really good chance that is going to stunt her emotional development in crucial ways. Then she’ll end up divorced at 30 or 35 and complete, utterly lost.

The first thing you need to do is be sure you can take care of and support yourself. That’s what your twenties are for. You need to develop an identity and independence. Then you find the guy and settle down. Don’t get me wrong. If you’re life goal is to marry and have kids, that’s great. That’s as valid and important of a goal as wanting to get an MBA and run a business. However, in either case, you want to be sure that you can stand on your own first. The last thing you want is to tie everything – your life, your identity, your future – to someone who quite possibly won’t be around in the long run.

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How Come Some Women Are Never Satisfied?

Name: CityGal
Age: 35
State:
Question: Hi Moxie,

It’s been awhile since I wrote in, and I thought I’d turn to you since this situation has my best friend and sister stumped. I’ve been dating someone since mid-September and we agreed that we only wanted to date each other exclusively about a month after dating. He invited me to meet his parents last week, It was my first time meeting his parents and it could not have gone better.

Things were definitely on a positive note after the dinner with his parents (the two of us were back at his house), and I decided to broach the topic about an trip (outside of the country) that he has planned for New Years (his guy friends and friends who are girls are coming). Note: I’m not worried about the girls on the trip (I have met them and know that there isn’t a romantic interest, primarily because most will be with their S.O.s on the trip.)

I mentioned that I understand he had the New Years Eve trip planned before we met, and I completely understand if he can’t extend an invitation to me, but if there’s still room in the place where he’s staying, I can look into getting a plane ticket. I was completely taken aback by his response. Rather than explain that there was some conflict with space or logistics (I thought maybe it had something to do with money?), he said that he (I’m quoting him) “didn’t feel like we were ready to spend 9 days in a foreign country together.” He said he’s “not ready to take that step yet.” I, of course, felt pretty badly about his response, but I tried not to overreact. I didn’t really know if I should be feeling disappointed or not, given we’ve only been out for two months now, but part of me thinks it would be a natural progression to spend New Years together, especially if there are girls and guys involved in the trip and we would be at the four month mark, at that point.

We spoke again later the next day and he reiterated that he doesn’t feel ready for a trip outside of the country with me and the reality is that if he was “head over heels” he would invite me to go, but he’s not….My heart dropped. So I said to him that I am going to see other people and I think that he should too. He responded to this by saying that he doesn’t want to see anyone else besides me, but it makes sense to take a few steps back and be less intimate ….He said that in an ideal world, we could carry along from where we left off once we are done with NYE (meaning January) because NYE will be a lingering shadow above our heads for the month of December. Talk about confusing!!! So since then, he’s been reaching out to connect with me via text, IM, etc and I’ve been responding positively to him. I don’t want to overreact, but I also want to look out for myself and my well-being and not go down the path with a commitment-phobe or someone who is unsure of progressing with me. Thoughts?

 

 

My thoughts are that this guy was upfront and honest with you. You broached the topic of going on the trip he had already planned months in advance because you wanted to spend NYE with him. He told you, in what sounds like a respectful way, that he’s not ready to be with you for a consecutive amount of time in a foreign country. Which is an extremely reasonable and mature response/reaction.

There’s a big difference between spending a weekend together and traveling together. Not just traveling, mind you, but traveling with a group of people in a country that is thousands of miles away. There would be no escaping you should things take a bad turn.  I get hives just thinking about that. For you, it seemed like a no brainer. Not so much for him. For him, it was a possible mistake that could add undue stress to the relationship and force him into a position he’s not quite ready to be in just yet.

He had just introduced you to his parents – a milestone – and you were pushing for another one mere hours later. You essentially invited yourself on a trip he had planned and made him feel cornered. You put him in an awkward position. No matter how he answered that question, he was screwed. That’s why he backed off.

Now you’re doing what many women do and creating the back story to explain why the guy she’s been dating all of two months isn’t as eager to move things along as she is. Men are allowed to be cautious. He’s already given you exclusivity and a sit down with the folks. That should have been enough. But you wanted more. You wanted a trip and NYE. You don’t accrue points with each milestone, you know.

The problem here isn’t that he’s a commitment-phobe. He committed to you, so I don’t understand where that comes from. The issue is that you weren’t satisfied with what he had already offered you. You wanted more. He is taking a step back for the next 6 weeks because, I’m guessing, he doesn’t want to deal with any possible drama that could result about that trip. He just wants that trip to be over so you guys can start over where you left off. Basically, he’s avoiding you until Jan. 1st.Which isn’t a great sign. He doesn’t trust that you’ll be able to let the trip issue drop. So rather than listen to you or be forced to break down and invite you, he’s staying away from you. You need to examine that decision of his very closely.

It makes no sense that this guy would say he’s not head over heels for you yet agree to exclusivity after a month and introduce you to his parents. There’s an inconsistency here. I’m going to take a wild guess and say that the decision to be exclusive and to meet his folks was yours, yes? You’ll say no, and you’ll believe it, but given the content of this letter I’m guessing that you’re not even aware of how pushy you are or can be. For example, you sent me this letter twice because I hadn’t answered it soon enough for you. You want what you want, and I get that. Believe me. But guys just don’t care for that. Men have no problem being challenged. They just don’t like to be badgered or bullied.

You need to temper your more demanding side and allow people to come around to things on their own (reasonable)  time table. None of this is to overlook the fact that this guy quite possibly is a pussy, of course, who can’t stand up to a woman. He very well might be. Or it could be that you are..a little scary and he’s afraid of you. Not sure. I certainly wouldn’t want to be with a man that couldn’t put me in my place should that need to be done. It sounds like this guy was just hoping you’d forget about that trip and never bring it up. Then, when you did, he decided to take a step back and advocate for “taking a break” of some kind so that he could enjoy the following 6 weeks and come out unscathed.

Those are my thoughts.

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How To Know When You’re Just An Option

Name: Bad Habits
Age: 22
State: Florida
Question: Ok so i met this guy outside of my work. Well he’s in the painting business and as soon as i met him and got his number he left for Detroit for family and work. Well we texted everyday talked on the phone every night. It went on for 2 Weeks straight. We got to know each other rather quickly. I understood he is eight years older than me but i liked his personality alot and understood his past. He started calling me baby and babe. Telling me how much he can’t wait till he comes home to my arms. Then one day after texting him good morning, never heard from him all day. He finally texted me saying been working all day call you later. Ok got it.. Well nothing at all that night or the next day or the next day. I don’t understand this? He just up and stopped talking to me, makes no sense what so ever. Yea well i broke down and tried calling him, no answer, texted him nothing. I’ve had this happen to me before and i still don’t understand it? I mean if you met someone, awesome! But i wish these men won’t leave me hanging. They pretty much tell me everything i want to hear and they just leave. I don’t understand why this keeps happening? Is it me? Or is it them? Need help!!

 

Well, let me ask you this. What is it that you want from these guys? Here’s a guy who is not only 8 years older than you (at 22 that’s a big age difference) but he moved hundreds of miles away for a job. It’s not clear how long you had known him before he moved or what transpired or whether he’s coming back.

We got to know each other rather quickly.

No. You didn’t. You might have gotten an idea of who this man is, but you did not get to know this person via phone and text over the course of a few weeks. He showed you the person he wanted you to see. That’s it. And now you’ve seen another side of him. The side that doesn’t care if his behavior hurts your feelings. Still like him? Oh wait. You do.

You’re romanticizing this relationship. My guess is this isn’t the first time, either. That’s part of the problem. You’re assuming that things mean as much to him as they do to you. You develop expectations of these men because you have told yourself that you and he have some sort of special connection because you managed to have a conversation every night for 2 weeks. That’s not a great connection. That just means you’ve been able – for all of two weeks – to hold this guy’s attention for a consistent series of minutes. That’s it. And to prove to you that this connection is not real, I present Exhibit A: he blew you off. Now, if you and he truly got to know each other and developed a genuine level of intimacy or connection, do you think he’d be ignoring your calls and texts? Does that make sense to you? It shouldn’t. If you find yourself believing his transparent excuses, you need to stop and ask yourself if his behavior matches up to his words.

This is reminiscent of last week’s post about Red Flags. If the man in that story was truly the woman’s friend, he wouldn’t have lied to her. We like to insist that we really did mean something to someone, even though they may have profoundly hurt or embarrassed us, because the truth is just too hard to admit. We meant very little to them. We were a distraction. That’s it.

But i wish these men won’t leave me hanging. They pretty much tell me everything i want to hear and they just leave.

That should tell you that you never meant anything to them in the first place. If this keeps happening, then that should make you aware of the fact that people can tell you exactly what you want to hear for as long as it benefits them and then dump you. This is what you need to realize so that you don’t continue to invest time or emotion in men like this.

The trick is to not get invested in this kind of attention. I’m betting that’s the draw for you, whether you realize it or not. You like the idea of having some guy out there thinking of you and talking to you. Hon, he’s nobody. He’s nothing. He’s a voice on the other end of the line. He provides you with nothing but words. You can get that anywhere, anytime. Start thinking of these men as replaceable as they consider you until they give you genuine reason for you to give them more consideration. They should never be more than options to you before that. That doesn’t mean you should be rude, thoughtless or insensitive. What I’m suggesting is that you learn how to become more detached in the beginning of these situations. Bottom line? These guys don’t care about you and possibly don’t even like or are attracted to you. You are nothing but a source of attention for them. Guys can and will engage a woman simply because they like the ego stroke.

Last week someone commented that I have a bad habit of raining on the parade of women who are holding out for a happy ending. No. What I try to do here is prevent women from deluding themselves and listening to their equally deluded girlfriends so as to prevent them from humiliating themselves.

There is no happy ending here. Just like there was no happy ending for the woman in this post. And whether or not some people agree, sometimes things are very black and white and sometimes it’s incredibly easy to predict the outcome of certain situations without meeting someone. People like to believe in the whole “gray area theory” because they want that non-existent happy ending. 9 times out of 10, there is no gray area. The writing is on the wall. The only ones who can’t see it are the people whose egos are in the way.  They have to be right. They can not admit that they misread a situation or gave too much to someone who didn’t deserve it. Many times it’s not even about getting the guy/girl. It’s about winning. There is no winning in situations like this. None. These people end up sacrificing great amounts of their self-esteem/respect just so they can say they “caught’ someone or they taught someone a lesson.

Let me tell you this. Self-esteem and self-respect is very easy to give up, but it’s incredibly difficult to get back. Consider that the next time you feel some overwhelming need to “win.”

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Servicey! – How To Meet People Offline

I was reading this blog post this morning about Match.com’s newly rolled out Stir Events.

But I want to try something new. I’m so over online dating (for now), speed dating makes my skin crawl (sorry but it does) and most events are poorly produced and/or aimed at youngins.

Let’s talking about getting offline.

I mentioned recently that I changed the copy of our speeddating events to read:

Aren’t you tired of emailing back and forth with that person from Match.com or OKCupid only to end up being blown off or disappointed? Here’s a fun and easy way to cut to the chase, save time and have fun all at the same time.

Join other single professionals for an early evening happy hour, topped off with about 7-10 rounds* of “mini-dates.” You’ll meet each member of the opposite sex for 5-7 minutes each (depending on the size of the event), turn in your dating card and then we’ll send you the contact info of your mutual matches 48 hours later. On average, 80% of those who attend end up with at least one or two mutual matches.

Why only 7-10 rounds? The more choices in front of someone, the less likely they are to  choose and focus on one specific person. We like to avoid replicating the “shopping cart” mentality that occurs with online dating.

Once this copy kicked in, our speeddating registrations in both Boston and NYC doubled. That is not an exaggeration. I am convinced it has to do with the reference to the shopping cart mentality that online dating creates.

I’ve also mentioned that I am one of those people whose attractiveness is more noticeable in person rather than on paper. I doubt I’m alone in that. I think now, more than ever before,  people need to incorporate both online dating as well as offline events into their rotation if they hope to meet someone new or special. Online dating has become intensified. People are much more likely to say “Next!” now. People are also becoming very insulated to the point where they think of nobody but themselves.

So, because I’m so servicey, I wanted to offer some suggestions, guidelines and recommendations to make your offline dating as productive as your online dating.

1. Attend an event alone - I know. You don’t want to show up alone in case you, like, get forced to make 5 minutes of conversation with someone unsavory. Come on. Grow up. Polish off those Big Girl Shoes and brush up on small talk and learn how to work a smile. The reason why singles/social events tend to draw more women than men is because women always bring friends because they can’t be alone. Guys attend these events by themselves all the time.

2. Learn to read signals - If you’re making conversation with someone and they excuse themselves, let them go and leave them alone. They’re being gracious. Don’t follow them around and hound them. If they wanted to talk to you, they would.

3. Learn how to make a graceful exit - I’m not going to lie. Singles events do attract a percentage of people who are socially awkward. But you meet those types of people everywhere. As an adult, we all have to learn how to deal with people like this. If you have to resort to being rude, then you’re as stunted as that person trailing you around the bar.

4. Remember – You get what you pay for – If you want to meet quality people, then attend an event with an admission fee. Free events tend to attract a lot of the people you don’t want to meet. If you’re someone who doesn’t like spending $25-$35 on an event in a major city, then you need to hang out in the suburbs. Nothing irritates me more than when someone attends an event with no concept of what was actually spent to develop it. (Granted, most people don’t.) The bottom line is that if they meet someone, it was worth it.If they didn’t, it was “poorly produced’ or some other excuse. To be fair,sometimes that is true. Things happen. It’s happened to us. But usually, the person complaining came to the event with a rancid personality/attitude.

5. Respect the age ranges - Ok. Buckle up. This one has bite. Ladies, if you’re in the high end of a specified age range of an event, you’re wasting your time. You will be surrounded by women younger than you. Yeah, I know. You’re a young looking 40, 45, 50. Guess what? Those 30 year olds are young looking 30 year olds. Guys? If an age range is, say, 37-49 and you’re 57, then you’re too old for the event. You can attend, of course. But you, too, will be wasting your time, as the women who register are looking to meet men in that age range. You will be considered that ‘creepy’ guy. People pay for these things to meet potential dates.It’s our job to provide that. When someone ignores the rules, they not only make themselves look bad, but they negatively affect the experiences of others and that’s not fair.  I get emails all the time from people asking if they should register for an event even though they’re X amount of years outside of the age range. What they’re actually looking for is a private invitation. Just by asking, they know the event probably isn’t for them. They want the organizer to tell them that they’re welcome. You have to understand that hosting an event for the over 50 crowd can be difficult in that it’s very, very hard to get men to attend. Especially when you have disgruntled 40something women running to the internet complaining about the dearth of “decent” single men. Also not helping, like with the case of Match’s Stir Events, is having a bunch of women who do nothing but gripe about dating and who never seem to meet anybody up to snuff promote your parties. The Evangelists are an important and telling part of a marketing plan. Just FYI.

Now, as for where to go:

*Both OKCupid and Match.com have launched a series of offline events. Great. My guess is that both of these sites are using the event channel to generate new subscribers/profiles. The events themselves aren’t going to generate much revenue. But the subscriber fees that come from outside members that want to attend will, which is what I believe the true goal is. (I think both Match and OKCupid allow for people to register for themselves and friends without requiring that the friend create a profile.) Supporting that theory is that I logged into my Match account, clicked the Events tab and was told that I had to be a subscriber to attend an event. I clicked the link that said “subscribe now” and was directed to a page that listed the various paid membership tiers. Apparently, you have to pay to see a list of upcoming events as well. No, that’s not a “small fee” that people will have to pay. That’s a big fee of anywhere from $40-$100 something dollars.  I tend to think that the “interest based” events will be few and far between and they’ll focus more on the free happy hours, as that might get them more bang for their buck. If you’re a paid member of Match you’ll see that, for NYC, all they have posted are two free happy hours. Like I said above, keep your expectations low for anything that is free to attend. But you should attend.Try to get in on one of their smaller, special interest events if you can. They appear to fill up in an oddly quick fashion.

*Niche events - Cooking classes, snow boarding classes, etc are all a great way to meet new people while learning something new. The fewer the people participating, the less likely you have that shopping cart mentality working against you.

*Speeddating – I’m not just saying that because that’s part of my business model. When I deal with an online dating client who appears awkward or shy or struggles to make conversation, I suggest speeddating. Speeddating provides you with multiple opportunities to talk to strangers. That is a key social skill. If speeddating “makes your skin crawl” well then guess what? You’re a social fail, too.

*Meetup.com - I would suggest the groups that focus on hosting small gatherings or special interests. Not the ones that have the free to get in blow outs at clubs and trendy lounges. They’re nice every once and a while, but they are meat markets and usually draw the non-city people. The reality is that if someone lives in a big city, they expect to pay for something and don’t complain about it. The people who regularly to exclusively attend the free events are usually the people who live outside the city or who don’t like to pay for anything. Yeesh all around.

 

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And That’s Why..We Don’t Take Everything Men Say At Face Value

One of my favorite dating coaches, Evan Marc Katz, had an interesting post last week. A reader, Mandy, submitted a letter about her current manz situation.

Evan, I’m in an interesting situation. I have deep feelings for someone in my “dating circle’, have become the closest person to him, and yet I know I am not ready for anything serious, in fact I freak out at the thought of anything heavy. He isn’t ready either, so we’re in the same boat.

I am 30, and he is 40. We just like to watch movies, cuddle, hold hands, kiss, talk…we don’t have to have full intercourse all the time, which I find soothing. He usually gives without expecting anything in return. It’s a very sweet and fun situation, and I want it.

But I am a bit confused, since I’ve never been averse to a serious relationship. He has female friends he hangs out with and flirts with, (which I don’t mind) but he doesn’t have sex with anyone but me. Same with me. I “circular date”, but he’s my only sexually intimate partner. He tells me he highly values what we have. I really do too.

So, my question is: Is it okay to want this, since we don’t want anything heavy right now?

Evan’s advice was, as always, quite spot on. Is she wrong for wanting a casual situation? Nope.

However, as I said in my comment on this post, I think we should dig a little deeper. My comment:

I think Mandy is accepting of this situation because she believes this guy when he says he’s not sleeping with any of these other female friends that he flirts with. If he were, I think she’d be less accepting of what this guy offers.
Whether she wants to admit this or not, she believes that – despite the lack of expressed commitment from him – this is a relationship with potential. Let’s apply some critical thinking and common sense to this situation: why would a man tell a woman that he was not sleeping with anyone else? Men only do this for two reasons: because they want to be exclusive or because they believe it is what the woman wants to hear because she asked him and he wants to avoid conflict. Since exclusivity isn’t an option here, his confession likely falls under Option 2. It’s perfectly fine for Mandy to participate in this relationship. But she should accept the reality that this guy is likely sleeping with others, or at least he will.  That’s one of the main reasons why men don’t commit – they don’t want monogamy.

Let’s look at the three glaring red flag/inconsistencies here.

1. This man has a number of female friends that he flirts with..but doesn’t sleep with them – Let’s first ask ourselves why he’s telling Mandy this. Maybe she asked him, which means that this is in no way casual for her. Or he offered this information. In which case…why? As I’ve said before, I don’t trust anybody with an inordinate number of opposite sex friends. Go ahead. Call me suspicious. Men get something out of regularly palling around with women. Maybe that guy likes to be the wise Yoda. Or he’s just investing, just in case he needs a break in case of emergency lay. Or he genuinely wants to date them but knows they want more than he can give. Or he’s gay. Rarely is it ever a genuine desire to hang with the ladies because he gets so much from female companionship.  What’s that? I’m so cynical? Yeah, yeah. The line starts at the left. Sometimes men develop friendships with women who think like guys. I’ll give you that. But for the most part, someone with an atypical number of opposite sex friends (especially if that number is drastically disproportionate to their same sex friends) does so for a reason, and it ain’t companionship.

2. When he and Mandy are together, things don’t always lead to intercourse – Sorry but, what’s that? I know, I know. I should be praising this man for not being all about the sexy time. Uh huh. Whatever. That’s not typical. It’s even more suspicious in light of the fact that he has many female friends that he flirts with yet claims he doesn’t want to have sex with them. He only wants to have sex with Mandy. You  know. Occasionally. Women tend to find a man’s lack of interest in sex as charming. “Oh, he really likes me! That’s why he doesn’t push for sex. He’s interested in me for more than sex.” Uh, one? If he’s straight and confident and has no hang ups, he wants the sex. Don’t kid yourself. Two? If he’s not wanting sex whenever you’re together, or at least most of the time, and he’s content with cuddling, there’s more to the story. Men don’t hang out with women to cuddle. I can assure you that he’s either not big into sex, using you for attention,  or he’s getting it somewhere else. Now, maybe the woman isn’t into sex either. Yay, right? Wrong. A lack of interest in sex usually stems from either physiological issues or psychological issues. Some are fixable. Some aren’t. It’s not as simple as, ‘Oh, they just don’t make sex a priority.”

3. This man told Mandy that he doesn’t want to sleep with anyone else, despite the fact they both have expressed that they don’t want anything serious - See, I don’t trust confessions like this. Revealing this feels strategic to me, despite how or why the revelation was made. He tells me he highly values what we have. Okay. But what do they have? Cuddle buddy nights watching Netflix? They have no expressed commitment. There isn’t even a promise of a future. It’s..nothing.

Now, I don’t know what exactly is going on here. What I do believe is that this guy is being disingenuous and misleading in some way.

This is what critical thinking is all about. It involves challenging assumptions and not taking everything at face value, despite the fact that what we are being told fulfills every wish and dream we’ve ever had. That alone should make you question what you’re hearing.

What Mandy is hearing is the polar opposite of what she’s being told. She’s hearing, “I don’t want to sleep with anyone but you.”And my guess is that’s intentional on the guy’s part. That’s what he wants her to think, what with all his talk of “valuing” their relationship and how he’s not getting sex anywhere else. He wants her to think there’s a future, or that he cares more about her than he actually does. I won’t even go into the fact that he’s 40 and single and accruing female friends that he flirts/sleeps with. Kind of a no-brainer there.

Thoughts?

 


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How To Avoid The Online Dating Attention Whore

Name: Kelly
Age: 43
State: AL

I  have a question about online daters doing this: They email, you chat a bit, you give them the number, you text a bit, you might even talk “live and in person.”  Then, instead of saying, hey, I’m still texting/emailing you, I’m expressing interest in you, I’d like to meet you, are you free Fri/Sat, they come out with “Hey, how’s your weekend shaping up/” Or “Got any big plans this weekend?” What the eff is that lol?  And also the everyday texting of “How’s your day going?” Are they scared/passive aggressive or just time wasters/getting a thrill out of having women interested in them?

 

I don’t think they’re scared or passive aggressive. I would guess that they are time wasters. I would also guess that some of these guys are sending out mass texts to multiple women waiting to see who replies first.

You  always have the options of asking them out, you know. There’s no rule that says he has to do it. But, like I said to you last week, you play into this. You play their game. You don’t assert any control in the situation. You are a passive participant in the process. So I have to ask you if maybe you, like these guys, get off on the attention as well.

I know. No, really. I know!

As I’ve said before, I don’t really understand why some people always seem to have these “frustrating” situations happen to them. I don’t get how it’s possible one person can have so many similar experiences, other than they somehow participate in the outcome.

Kelly, you’re a time waster too. You just don’t know it. You think you’re available, but you’re not. That’s why these situations keep repeating themselves over and over. You, like these men, just want attention.

Online dating sites are chock full of people like this. How can you avoid them?

1. Do not contact anybody who doesn’t seem truly invested in the process or seems too difficult - That means:

  • No emailing people who barely fill out their profile
  • No emailing people who post just ONE photo (huge clue!)
  • No messaging people with verbose, lengthy, self-important profiles
  • No contacting someone who states in their profile that they don’t check the site often/are just checking this out, etc.
  • No contacting people who tell you they’re just out of a relationship
  • No emailing people with disclaimers/challenges in their profiles (“Don’t email me if../If you do XYZ then we probably won’t get along”)

2. Ask them out - By email three, that invitation should be extended. If they aren’t willing to make at least a tentative plan right then, or in any way put you on the shelf, move on.

3. Don’t give them your phone number too soon- You should not be giving out your phone number until the a couple days before your date. That date should be written in ink on your calendar. Then and only then should you give them your number.

4. No pre-date flirty banter - Seriously. If they send you a text asking how you are or or your day is going, be polite in your response but then cut off that conversation. Say you’re off to the gym or a meeting. Do not give them an in or encouragement of any kind that you’re open to chatting. To me, the whole texting thing is a huge red flag. Maybe there was as time when flirty texts/extensive email exchanges were a normal or positive part of the process. But I honestly feel as though, at this point, the only people who waste their time with these things are the time wasters and attention whores. The people who want to actually meet don’t waste any time. They just meet you.

5. Confirm the date - I don’t care who made the original plan. With online dating, none of that protocol applies. Send them a text the morning of the date confirming your plans. If they say they need to re-schedule, say “No problem!” and move on.

6. Listen - The attention whores and time wasters can’t help but talk about their online dating experiences. See, they’re attention whores. They want attention. If you can, avoid the whole, “So, what has your experience with Match/OkCupid been like?” conversation. Find some other commonality. If your date breaks into an omigod you have to hear this this is sooo funny story, be on guard. These types always reveal themselves.

The people who genuinely want to meet people and develop a relationship of some kind, casual or otherwise, are going to be proactive. Now, none of this means that you won’t end up having a date or two with an attention whore. That’s almost impossible to avoid.

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Successful Online Dating Requires Some Hard & Fast Rules

Name: Nancy
State: NY
Age: 38
Comment: While doing online dating, I’m running into the type of man who sends lots of engaging emails, but doesn’t want to meet in real life.  After email 5 or 6 I suggest we continue the conversation over coffee or drinks, but they either dissappear, or arrange a date then cancel or don’t confirm.

I’ve also had a few first dates, where the man has kept in contact after the first date via SMS or email, telling me how much he misses me etc, then arranges a second date but doesn’t confirm.  They usually come sneaking back without apology after six weeks, but by then I’ve already moved on.

Another type of man I’m encountering is the one who wants daily phonecalls and no dates.  Coincidentally, they have all been IT professionals who don’t have a rich social life, but enjoy hearing about mine.

Ignoring the men who send emails like “your hot” “wanna f**k”, I’d say a quarter of the serious emails I’m getting are from men who want to meet after swapping about 3 or 4 mails.  Three quarters are from men who appear to want a virtual girlfriend.

Funnily, when I realise that the emails and phonecalls aren’t going anywhere, I mention to them that I went out on a date with someone, then they disappear.  I know its taboo to mention other dates, but by email number ten to twelve I’ve reached a level of frustration that I no longer care.

Do you think that I’m handing things wrong, or putting them off in some way?  Or am I just too impatient with these men?

I thought that maybe my profile attracts the loner types, as I have a wide range of hobbies and some of them might pique their interests, e.g. science fiction.  I’m currently rewriting my profile to make myself sound more sociable and outgoing, and working on getting photos of myself at social events, so I’m attracting more outdoorsy men. I’m also going to scour my profile to make sure there are no nerdy references.

Can you and your readers suggest what else I may be doing wrong?

 

I’ve also had a few first dates, where the man has kept in contact after the first date via SMS or email, telling me how much he misses me etc, then arranges a second date but doesn’t confirm.  They usually come sneaking back without apology after six weeks, but by then I’ve already moved on.

I think what’s happening with you is that you’re frequently being placed on the back burner while these guys explore other options. They’re keeping their options open by continuing to engage you, but they’re out there dating other people. They don’t want totally cut you off, just in case. As I said in a recent and similar post, they’re playing their odds at your expense. Practically everybody deals with this at one time or another. (See this other new post about how to handle this particular situation.) At any given time we’re all communicating with multiple people. That’s why it’s important to get offline as soon as possible. It’s way too easy to fall between the cracks and get lost.

This is the nature of online dating and you can’t take it personally. But you can learn to spot these guys before you waste too much time.

Once more for the cheap seats……….

If they don’t confirm a date after exchanging 2 or 3 emails, take the initiative and ask them out. If they don’t commit to anything within 24 hours, move on. If he or she wants to speak on the phone once the date is set to make sure you’re not a serial killer or too boring for their oh so engaging personality, give ‘em a call if you’re really that interested. But in general this is a gross waste of time. 3 emails. Set up date. Confirm day of. Meet. No chitty chat in between. Ladies, send the thank you text after the date and say you’d like to do it again. Guys, if you’re interested, take that and run with it and set up another date. Fin. The End. That’s dating today.

Another type of man I’m encountering is the one who wants daily phonecalls and no dates.  Coincidentally, they have all been IT professionals who don’t have a rich social life, but enjoy hearing about mine.

This is another common sub-section of online dater. They’re just looking for someone to pay attention to to them or are too afraid to meet someone off line and “ruin the magic.” They like the idea of seeming perfect.This happens a lot, especially if people are using old photos of themselves and they know they no longer look like those pics. Or they’ve just been blown off so many times that they are afraid to take the risk. Whatever the reason, the most likely outcome if you did meet was that you’d be disappointed.That’s why these people need to be cut off pronto.

I do agree that your science fiction related interests or hobbies is going to draw these men to you. You don’t have to take those references out. What you can state in your profile is that you do not IM or text or email with anyone off site until a date has been set. You should also say that you prefer to exchange no more than 2 or 3 emails before meeting. Most men are thrilled by this and are happy to comply.

I said this last week. These people who need all these steps and all this time to work up the nerve to ask you out or to confirm plans are time wasters. So sorry, folks. They either are very cautious or skeptical or they are using the site for attention/entertainment purposes. Or they are horrifically social awkward and you’ll have to coddle them. You need to stop making excuses for these people. It’s not your job to help them through whatever awkward phase they might be going through, nor are you potentially losing out at The One by being quicker to dismiss bad behavior.

The only thing you’re doing wrong is engaging these guys. You need to take a hard and fast line when it comes to how much time and energy you are willing to devote to them. The longer you stay invested in these dead end situations, the more frustrated you will grow and the more people you could be meeting are meeting someone else. This is why so many people get burnt out and go on “dating detoxes.” (Which, btw, are a total sham. They’re not going on any detox. They just want you to think they are so you will, too. Misery loves company.)

Think of this approach as sort of a Cleanse. You’ll be getting rid of the toxic people more regularly to make room for the healthier ones. Over time, it gets easier and you’ll have a greater sense of control over the process.

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The Dealbreakers That Keep You Single

Name: Rebecca
State: CT
Age: 43
Comment: Hi.  I am back in the dating pool for the first time after finding out I have HSV-2.  Putting myself out there on dating sites feels like false advertising.  I’m going to meet up with a really interesting guy for the first time next week who has no idea I have herpes.  Obviously this isn’t something you put in your dating profile.  I would welcome thoughts about this.

 

I feel like I’ve answered this question numerous times, so I’m going to direct you here to read what I’ve said on the topic of when to tell someone and how.

As for the whole “false advertising” issue, EVERYBODY who has an online dating profile partakes in the act of false advertising. I can assure you that the large majority of online daters have something that they don’t tell you about in their dating profile. Like:

  • They’re unemployed
  • They have bad credit
  • They cheated on their ex
  • They’re an alcoholic
  • They’re horrible in bed
  • They haven’t had a relationship in several years, if at all

Yes, I know. None of these are as bad as the dreaded STD. None of these are things that people might use as a reason to break up with someone or blow them off. Right.

Nobody is morally obligated to reveal the fact that they cheated on their husband or wife. Funny, right? If this issue is morality, then you’d think infidelity trumps sexuality. That’s an adorable mixed message. Alcoholics get to be anonymous. But not someone with herpes.

Here’s what I think. I think people don’t want to know the truth. They want to be told a sanitized version of the truth.

Here’s the really funny thing. How many people would dump their partner if they learned he had cheated on their ex? I bet there’s a ton of people out there who would rationalize that one.

People could manufacture a back story for their past and most of you wouldn’t be the wiser. It’s not the idea that someone might “taint” you or infect you that bothers most people. It’s the idea that their partner with an STD is admitting to a “flaw.” That deprives the person they tell from believing that they got somebody untouched or “better” than other people’s partners.

Everybody, especially someone who has struggled to find a relationship, wants to believe that that person they found is “better” or at least “as good” as everybody else’s.

That desperate girl who couldn’t get past two dates with a guy doesn’t want to know that that dude that she finally got to stick around has actually scared off every other woman with his clinginess or neediness. She wants to believe that she’s the only one with whom he’s fallen for so hard and  so fast. Guess what? She’s not. She just didn’t have any better options. Same goes for that guy who needs to believe that he planted that flag on his woman’s vagina and no man has gone there before him. Certainly not on the first date.

We certainly don’t want to acknowledge the real truth. That being that all those times our friends told us we could do better, we actually couldn’t.

If you’re going to have a deal breaker, make it something that is actually going to prevent you from getting hurt in the long run. Like smoking. That could actually kill you. Stop making stupid things up to use as an excuse to dismiss someone. Things like:

I usually don’t date men who don’t dance. It shows that they are not creative, take themselves too seriously and don’t know how to let go. And above all, it gives me an idea of how sensual they are since it is about moving your body and enticing the other person. Plus, if he can lead, it’s a great way for me to surrender to his arms without it being awkward. Men who don’t dance don’t interest me; they sound very boring and sexy at all. – Cricri

And this ridiculous piece of nonsense:

The only thing the OP did wrong was to schedule both dates on weekend. Saturday night for a 1st internet date??? What a waste! Those things should happen on Tuesday-Wednesday. Thursday, Friday and Saturday should be reserved for guys you’ve already gone out with. Scheduling a 1st day on Sat looks kind of desperate actually – shows you don’t have better otions or life. – Downtown Angel

The people who have the most ludicrous of deal breakers are usually the ones most flawed. They’re competing in some imaginary race, running around the track lap after lap and getting absolutely no where.

 

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The Big Three – Age, Location & Body Type

Name: JP
State: MA
Age: 39
Comment: I met a guy at one of your speeddating events last month. We ended up being a mutual match and set up a date right away. The date went really well (I thought) and at the end of the night he walked me to my car and asked to see me again.

At the end of the week I received an email from him and he told me that he had been out with someone else from the event twice and had decided to see where that went instead of trying to date two different women. I said I understood and wished him luck. Was he lying and didn’t want to tell me he wasn’t interested? Isn’t the whole point of dating to meet different people?

 

Okay. I did a little research based on your email address and pulled up your attendance and match history. You’ve been to a couple of our speeddating events and you always get at least one match. So that’s a good sign.  But here’s what else I noticed. At the speeddating events you’ve attended, all of the men were from Boston or the surrounding areas (Brookline, Alston, etc.) You, however, lived in a suburb. Actually very close to my home town, which is wicked pissa. Via car, that is an almost 30 minute commute. 45 if you include parking. By train it’s about an hour commute.

Do I think that, if you lived in Boston proper, you would have seen him again? I don’t know. I know a lot of men who don’t like to juggle simply because they aren’t good at it, forget certain stories etc and just find the whole idea of juggling overwhelming. So he could very well be telling the truth. However, where you lived and the commute definitely pushed you over in to the “No” category.

Everybody has one of those detractors. Something pretty big that takes off points. Age, location, body type are the big three.

Let’s start with Age. It’s not rocket science. Men will almost always choose younger. That’s it.

Location. I will brace my self for the inevitable accusations of being an elitist snob when I say this. Location matters. As I said to people at our He Said/She Said event (we’re planning one for Boston in March, btw) recently, if you live in a suburb or in New Jersey then you’re pretty much wasting your time and money signing up for a singles/social event in Manhattan. The reality is that if someone lives in a big city like Boston or DC or Manhattan, they don’t have to leave that city to date. And no, it doesn’t count that you work in the city and are “there all the time.” There is always somebody to date in either Manhattan, Queens, Astoria or Brooklyn. We have everything we need in a nice comfy little radius. That’s why people generally live in a city like Boston or Manhattan or Chicago or DC. Convenience.

Body Type. Okay. Another area where I’ll brace myself for backlash. Being overweight or out of shape in a city that places a strong emphasis on looks/health is not good. It’s a big factor in why someone – male or female – might struggle. Note: If you don’t struggle and do just fine with your body type, then I’m not addressing you. There are plenty of women who do just fine because they carry themselves so well and know their audience. I will say this and say it with the best of intentions – if you’re constantly meeting people who treat you poorly, blow you off, have difficulty getting dates, meet people that have sex with you and never call, use you for free meals etc and you’re carrying around a noticeable amount of extra weight, lose it. Instead of bitching to friends or on blogs, use that time at the gym if only because it will help you live longer and stay healthy.  You and your date might have a fine time together. But if there is someone on the roster who is thinner and just as engaging, guess who is probably going to get the top slot on that person’s dating card?

This is the challenge of dating, especially online dating or speeddating, where people are presented with multiple options. Like that CNN article I posted recently said, that has created a “shopping cart mentality” amongst singles. That’s why it’s important to either accept the reality of your situation or do something to change it and improve your odds.

JP, maybe you should try to date men in your area. If you’re looking for more “sophisticated” guys, then my suggestion is to move closer to the city. Same goes for people in Long Island/New Jersey. You’re competing against convenience, and that is a difficult contest. On the topic of “sophistication” please allow me to say this…A lot of people like to come in to the city for the “culture” and the “sophisticated” atmosphere. For some reason, many people who don’t live in a big city think that the average dater is hob knobbing with Andy Warhol or rich financiers. I think this is another by product of Sex & The City. Maybe on occasion we attend a poetry reading or an art gallery opening, but for the most part we don’t really do anything more than dinner or drinks on dates.

I can remember taking a tour of HowAboutWe.com, a niche dating site where people post profiles along with interesting date ideas, and wondering if people actually did any of those activities on first dates. Personally, I find activity first dates to be rather awkward. But that’s me. In any case, we’re really not as exciting or “sophisticated” as some people who live outside a big city might think. Like I said, most of us live here for the convenience and similar mindsets. Not the culture. People who choose to come to or live in Manhattan “for the culture” are usually either pretentious snobs who are neither intellectual nor cultured or people from small towns with a romanticized idea of what “big city living” is really like.

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Should You Give A Bad Dater A Second Chance?

Name: Michelle
State: Brooklyn
Age: 41
Comment: Had a date with a guy two weeks ago. Everything seemed to go well. We spent about 4 hours together and had a great time. At the end of the date we talked about seeing a movie we had discussed. The next day I sent him a text saying it was great to meet him. He replied back and said he had fun and asked if we could catch up later in the week. I said sure. I didn’t hear from him until almost 2 weeks later (yesterday.)  I logged in to my profile a few times in the past two weeks. A couple times a little window popped up telling me that this guy had logged on.(I marked him as a favorite.)  I assumed that he was dating others.  I didn’t expect him to take down his profile or anything but I did think I’d hear from him sooner than I did. He wants to go out this week. I don’t know if I want to go out with him now. I’m definitely less interested. Should I say something to him or turn him down?

 

No, you shouldn’t say anything, nor should you turn him down. This is the nature of online dating. What happened to you is par for the course. Especially because of your age. The sad fact is we are the ones that get put to the back burner more often. Especially if the guy is a couple years older or younger than us. Men are going to want the younger woman, whether those guys want children or not.

Here’s what happened. He went out with you and had a great time. He probably was already communicating with a couple of other women. He went out with them in the interim. Maybe those dates went well, maybe they didn’t. He’s keeping his options open. What he should have done was follow up with a text sometime later in the week, as he said, and done a little investing. Just a simple text saying work was crazy but that he wanted to get together next week. Anything to demonstrate that you were still on his radar. Now he’s back to square one and shown his hand.

Once again I’ll bring up the importance of experience and social aptitude. Somebody who is “good” at dating, meaning  has success, would have known the appropriate course of action here.  Online dating is full of bad daters.  There’s too many to make them all off limits. Sometimes you just have to be patient and wait things out and see if things improve.

I think many women in your position would be a little resentful. Listen, we know that we’re going to get the short shrift. Most of us accept that. But I think what makes it more insulting is that they actually don’t think we know what they’re doing. We do. We get put in a position where we just have to suck it up because saying something will make us look nuts. The only way to counter-act that is to not care and accept that it’s not as personal as we think. We should also do what they do and keep our options open.

The thing to remember is that this happens to everyone. Male and female. 25 or 45.

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