How Does He Tell Her He Doesn’t Want To Be Serious?

Name: Christopher
Comment: I’ve been seeing this girl for about six months. We have not had “the talk” about being exclusive, but we have been seeing each other a few times a week recently. I really enjoy the time that I spend with her, and we get along great. However, I just don’t think I am ready to be exclusive yet. While I have not cheated on her, I have been approached by other women about going out, and I am interest In doing so. She will text or email me every day. It does not feel nagging or needy when she does so, but it is clear that she is into me.

However, I don’t want her feelings to get hurt. Part of me knows that it is her responsibility for how she feels, but I am aware that the actions I take have repercussions. I am 41, and she is in her early 30s. I am divorced, and do not want kids. We have not talked about anything serious like that, but she knows that I went through a painful divorce several years ago, have repeatedly gotten “too serious, too quickly” in the past, and I don’t want to make that mistake again.

I started to bring up the conversation the other night, but her job was just cut, and she just gotten the news, so I did not want to pile on to the emotional drama that she was experiencing. Part of me says that that was just a copout for not telling her, but the other part says I was being sensitive to her needs.

I know what to do, I just don’t know how to do it. I want to keep seeing her, but I just want to back off a little bit until I am ready to get more serious, whenever that may be.
Age: 41
City: Boston
State: MA

 

Well, if you’re not exclusive, then you’re not doing anything wrong by dating other women. So my advice to you is to go out with these women that intrigue you and see what else is out there. You might realize that the woman you’ve been seeing for the past 6 months is the one to whom you’d like to commit. If she is assuming that you two are exclusive, that’s on her. I’m sure some people will say that you need to be upfront and honest from the start with the women you date. In an ideal world, that would be nice. However, that’s not really in your best interest. It should be understood by now that someone who does not express a desire to commit doesn’t want to be committed at that point or at all. The onus is on the person for whom commitment or exclusivity is a priority to bring it up.

I know some of the female readership will take issue with this, but I would just pull back a bit and wait for this woman to speak up and ask what’s going on. Let her bring it up. When she does, you don’t have to tell her you’re dating other people. In fact, don’t tell her that. That’s unnecessary. Use this inquiry to gently remind her that you and she are not exclusive. If she says that she would like to be monogamous then you need to be clear about where you stand. Until then, there’s no need to go looking for problems where there are none. Scale things back so that you and she aren’t seeing each other – and therefore growing dependent upon each other – so frequently.

She’s not bringing anything up because she probably doesn’t want to rock the boat. It’s even possible that she likes things exactly as they are. I have said this before: women her age aren’t anxious to settle down with men your age. If she knows you don’t want children, and she does, then she’s either hoping you’ll change your mind or has no intentions of having children with you.  If you clarify anything with her it should be the subject of having children. That’s only fair.

If you want to back off then back off. There’s nothing preventing you from doing that. Now let’s address something else that you said.

but she knows that I went through a painful divorce several years ago, have repeatedly gotten “too serious, too quickly” in the past, and I don’t want to make that mistake again.

It takes two to tango, Christopher. Whether you’re expressing a willingness to commit verbally or through actions, you’re still communicating an interest level that may or may not be genuine.  If you’re not looking for commitment, then don’t see a woman three times a week. It’s not that you don’t want a relationship. You clearly do. What you don’t appear to want is to be exclusive to just one woman.

Going forward, should you find yourself back out there again, be mindful of your tendency to allow things to spiral out of control and take on the form of a committed/serious relationship. Make sure your actions align with your intentions.

 

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Why Is He Paying Her Bills If He’s Not Getting Sex?

Name: Single Mom
Age: Early Thirties
State:
Question: Is it worth sticking around?
I am an attractive, professional, physically fit, single mom in my early thirties. Ultimately, I would like to remarry and have another child (ren). I usually don’t have trouble getting male attention when I go out, but between being a mommy and my career, getting out hasn’t been a priority. Last year I reconnected with an “ex” from many years ago. About him: he is in his late forties and works in the political arena and is well known in our area. He is considered a very eligible bachelor in his circles.  We started sleeping together again within a few months and thereafter spent a great deal of time together.  However, during this whole time he was adamant he didn’t want a relationship. So after 7-8 months of dating/sex, I stopped sleeping with him and cut back communication because I knew I ultimately wanted a committed relationship and felt he was being clear he didn’t want one. Fast forward a few months and we start seeing each other again. This time sex is not part of the equation, BUT we are spending more time together than ever before and doing  things traditionally reserved for couples: we talk/text several times a day (if he cannot reach me he calls repeatedly); we see each other 4-5x per week often staying over several days; he has met my child  and seems to adore her; we have met each other’s family, friends and coworkers; we have gone down to his summer home a few times for extended periods; he has done helpful things around the house; for Christmas he paid off a credit card for me, etc. He has said he loves me although he has made it clear he is not in love. Also, very clear is that he still says he doesn’t want a relationship. After digging a little deeper this time, he told me after how horrible his divorce was   and how another serious relationship ended… he doesn’t want to go there again. He says he cares for me and he knows I am a great catch, but he just can’t do a relationship.  I guess what I don’t understand is how a relationship would be any different than what we are doing now besides slapping a label on it.  It has been about a year and half of on and off dating without a commitment and about a year since I last slept with him. My question is, should I ride this out longer to see what will happen or cut ties completely with him.  With as much time as we spend together, I don’t have time to explore any other options or to even keep my options open.  What makes it hard for me to decide is that unlike other men I have dated he acts like he wants a relationship,  but says otherwise, whereas my experience has been with men saying they wanted commitment, but their actions were completely at odds with that.

 

Let’s see…late forties, divorced eligible bachelor. Side note: Know who else was a successful eligible bachelor? Liberace. Moving on.

I’m stuck on the part where you let this man that you’re not dating/sleeping with pay your credit card. I mean, doesn’t that feel odd to you or ring any bells? Tell me again what he’s getting out of all of this? It’s clear what you’re getting: you get a show pony to trot around town and show off to your family and friends and pay your bills AND you don’t have to have sex with him. It doesn’t sound like the lack of sex really bothers you. The only thing that appears to bug you is that he refuses to agree to be your boyfriend. That’s all quite telling to me. Do you even want a relationship with him or do you just want to be able to say you have a relationship with him?

More intriguing is how you’re making it sound like he’s doing all of these of his own volition. Which, sorry, I’m dubious about. If you’re asking him to help hang a picture or fix something or attend a family party,  he’s doing it because you’re making the request. That’s completely different than if he offered to do all these things. Maybe he just likes being needed. You could be exploring other options. You’re choosing not to. It sounds like maybe you’re creating a certain atmosphere so you can turn around and accuse him of acting like a boyfriend.

I guess what I don’t understand is how a relationship would be any different than what we are doing now besides slapping a label on it. 

Well, no. One other thing that you’d be doing is sleeping together. You’re not. You and this man aren’t dating. At best you’re just good friends and he’s hanging around for the companionship and possible professional benefits. He’s made it clear that he doesn’t want a relationship with you, he’s not sleeping with you and thereby building up expectations. A man can not want a relationship but still want sex. He doesn’t even want sex from you. He’s just hanging out with you. You are allowing this because it allows you to appear as though you have a man. There’s no mystery here. He’s just your friend. You’re the one building this up into something it isn’t. He’s likely getting the sex from someone else and the companionship from you. Did you think he’s been going without for the past year? Of course not.  He’s just not getting it from you because he doesn’t want to lead you on and make his life more difficult. I have several male friends who buy me drinks and pay for my meals and attend family functions with me. It doesn’t mean we’re dating. It means we’re friends. Other than paying your credit card bill, which baffles me and does makes me question his motives slightly,  this guy isn’t doing anything that doesn’t fall under the category of friendship.

Find someone else. This guy doesn’t want to be in a relationship with you. You’re hitching your wagon to the wrong horse insisting that the guy is acting like a boyfriend. No, he’s not. He’s made his position clear and now feels like he can just be himself. His reasons for not wanting to be in a relationship with you don’t matter. He’s being polite. He’s not interested in dating you. He’s giving you phony reasons for why you can’t be together, probably because you keep trying to force a relationship that doesn’t exist.

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Is Online Dating The Reason Many Men Don’t Want To Commit?

One of my Twitter followers sent me an interesting article today. The piece discusses the possible negative impact that online dating has had on monogamy and commitment.

In the past, Jacob had always been the kind of guy who didn’t break up well. His relationships tended to drag on. His desire to be with someone, to not have to go looking again, had always trumped whatever doubts he’d had about the person he was with. But something was different this time. “I feel like I underwent a fairly radical change thanks to online dating,” Jacob says. “I went from being someone who thought of finding someone as this monumental challenge, to being much more relaxed and confident about it. Rachel was young and beautiful, and I’d found her after signing up on a couple dating sites and dating just a few people.” Having met Rachel so easily online, he felt confident that, if he became single again, he could always meet someone else.

This feels like a “which came first: the chicken or the egg?’ scenario to me.  It’s no secret that online dating encourages a shopping cart mentality amongst its users. People join a dating site in the hopes of meeting people for….whatever. Sex. Love. Casual love. Once they complete a profile, it takes but a matter of minutes to hours to receive attention. Yes, online dating creates the idea that our options are limitless. Just like the media creates the idea that if we buy the latest version of of iPhone our lives will be that much easier and more complete. The concepts of supply and demand and the law of scarcity have existed for centuries. Online dating didn’t manufacture them. They already existed. All online dating did was provide us with a platform in which we could meet people. It’s up to the individual user whether or not they decide that commitment or casual sex is for them. If someone is conditioned to leave a relationship at the first sign of trouble, isn’t that more about how they viewed commitment and monogamy in the first place?

From the sounds of it the lead character in this article, Jacob, wasn’t really inclined to desire commitment in the first place. He stayed in unsatisfying relationships because that was a more appealing alternative than being alone or regularly masturbating. Are we to overlook the fact that Jacob was also an only child? Gee, you mean someone who grew up never having to share or compromise or argue with a peer isn’t good at relationships? Color me stunned. A man who doesn’t feel compelled to commit to just one woman? File that under “No shit, Sherlock.” What online dating did was enable an already preexisting condition. For many men, more vagina = more gooder. For many women, more dates = more attention.

It’s interesting that the article doesn’t focus on both a female and a male subject. Has online dating fostered a similar lax attitude towards monogamy and commitment in its female users? Based on the letters I receive and stories I hear, that would be no. The women on Twitter or Facebook or blogs frequently mocking the “nice guy” or coming up with excuse after excuse for turning down a second date, to me, seem to be exerting a false sense of vindication and control. Did that chip on their shoulder start with online dating? I don’t think so. I think these women always harbored warped ideas about love, sex, men and commitment and I think those seeds were planted long before they scoffed at their first Wink. That thinking was borne from years of being told they could do better by well meaning or sabotaging girlfriends.

It’s too easy to blame online dating for society’s evolving ideas surrounding commitment and monogamy. What I believe turned people away from monogamy and commitment wasn’t a collection of profiles. It was the habitually piling evidence that maybe, just maybe, what we were taught about relationships and sex is antiquated and counter-productive. None of these so-called benefits that existed 20, 30, 50 years ago no longer apply. Societal views and morals concerning these subjects are rapidly changing.

With divorce rates climbing can we really say that marriage is the expected course of action should two people meet and fall in love?

With the economy struggling and as more and more men remain out of work while women return to work can we really continue to believe that women need to marry for financial security?

With infidelity rates between men and women neck and neck are we still going to say that women are “hard wired” to be monogamous?

How can we continue to function under such beliefs when numbers don’t lie?

If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. Well, it’s broke. Only now people are choosing to fix it their own way rather than how they were told they should. Online dating didn’t serve as the breakdown in commitment and lack of interest in monogamy. We have simply evolved beyond what we were originally taught.

I come from a family where there is no divorce. My father had not one but two extremely successful and satisfying marriages. As such, I believe marriage is to be done once and you better pray you choose wisely and be prepared to fight the good fight. I was raised in a sexually repressed and religious household. Where did I learn about sex? From books and friends and movies. It was the exposure to and experience with these subjects that enhanced and changed my views. But in order for me to upgrade my line of thinking, I had to have been curious in the first place. There are plenty of people who are more than willing to accept what they are exposed to as the “right” way to live. There are others who challenge such views or desire more.

The medium that provides the exposure simply does just that. It’s the people who implement the strategy. I’ve met men who write profiles stating they want something casual only to turn out to want something more long term. I’ve also met men who write about wanting to find a partner but never appear to do so, as their profile stays active day after day, month after month, for years.

In my mind, it’s not the environment that online dating provides that is the problem. The true hurdle is certain user’s inability to accurately identify what it is they seek. That’s what makes it difficult for them to settle on just one person.

 

 

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Is First Date Sex Always A Mistake?

Name: Kelly
Age: 44
State: Alabama
Question: Is it always the kiss of death to sleep with someone on the first date? Clearly I’m too old to be a naïve young thing, but I went out with someone from online whom I actually really liked. The date stretched into dinner, and I made the decision that I wanted to sleep with this guy. It’s been a very long time for me, getting over a bad breakup from a long relationship, and I hadn’t felt ready until now. I was extremely attracted to him, and it was great sex.

He was a gentleman, texted me next morning, we txted back and forth, he mentioned getting together again sometime, but nothing concrete. He’s 41 btw.

Again, I’m no stranger to casual hookups. At least in my experience, that usually means you prob won’t hear from them unless it’s a booty call. But is it still like that, even in 2012? I live in the south, so it’s prob more conservative than NYC, where I used to live. Or does that have nothing to do with it, and women are still expected to “behave” on the first date?

 

I do not believe that sex on the first date automatically puts you in booty call territory. I do think that that was the case for you in this situation. I don’t think this guy was looking for anything serious in the first place. Which doesn’t mean he was “just looking for sex.” It just means he wasn’t looking for love. He was looking for casual fun. He had it. He got what he wanted. Had you waited 3, 5, 7 dates, he’d still probably have done this.

Any man who still expects a woman to “behave” on a first date has issues. Especially if he doesn’t “behave” himself. Which is why if this guy did judge you for having sex, he’s a douche and you’re better off without him. This is such simple logic, yet it manages to stump so many women.

Here’s the thing about dating nowadays: long term relationships are no longer the norm. “Typical” dating now involves a series of first dates that go nowhere, a smattering of 3 or so dates with the same person, and a few  2-3 months long engagements and the occasional 6+ month romance. The year long plus relationships are no longer as common. Dating is now a very temporary yet intensified process. Especially for those in our age range.

The people who think that “successful dating” involves finding an #omigah boyfriend/girlfriend are people who don’t date much or don’t even get past the first date or two.  Successful dating involves optimizing your options and enjoying the process, free of frustration and confusion and BS. If you never find a long-term brah, but manage to cultivate a nice circle of people you enjoy spending time with while creating a fulfilling and satisfying life on your own without harboring regret and anger and disappointment, you’ve succeeded. Whatever choice you make, own it. No explanations needed to any woman or any man. When things don’t work out, do a little personal inventory and really pare down that list of must-haves to what is really, truly important and necessary.

Even the two labels (boyfriend/girlfriend) means absolutely nothing today. Neither do wedding bands. Marriage is just another promise, but with sparkly jewelery. It doesn’t mean what it used to mean. In these times, the best you can hope for is to find someone who wants to stick around for awhile.

What you have to do is put this guy in the back of your mind and meet someone else. Clearly, it’s not hard for you to get dates. Just remember that guys his age and a bit older have all the cards these days. I’m sorry of this is something you or other women over 35 or so don’t want to hear, but the chances of getting a guy in that age range to settle on just one woman are much slimmer than they once were. So you have to make the best of it. This guy can get anyone from ages 32 to 45 if he wanted. That’s a pretty wide and attractive range for a man. Ergo, he’s not going to be terribly quick to settle on just one. Those men are in high demand, and there is stiff competition. Again I will repeat that women in our age range need to accept the reality of our situation. That being that finding a man who wants to be with us and just us for a significant amount of time is an uphill battle. It’s not impossible. It’s just that it’s not as easy as it used to be. Which is why we need to start optimizing our time in other ways. Either by dating multiple people or becoming more emotionally self-sufficient. It can still happen, of course. It’s not that dire. But it’s better to take control of the situation than to take a passive role and let things happen to us.

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What’s So Bad About Dating Someone “Good Enough?”

A comment in last night’s post got me to thinking about something.

Do we set ourselves up to fail when we expect to find one person who meets all of our needs?

Another reason why I’ve become an advocate of dating multiple people is because I don’t happen to think it’s reasonable to hold out for that ONE person who has everything we seek.  I’ve said before that I don’t believe any of those stories we hear about that woman from our office/college roommate/cousin who found love at 45 and is blissfully happy. I truly believe that that woman (or that man) compromised quite a bit. They let go of needing X, Y or Z. I do not buy into the myth that fate played its part and put that love of their life in their path or anything like that. I think 2 people met and decided, “This is good enough.” Which isn’t a bad thing.

The time for wanting that intense, makes your heart race attraction is when we’re younger. Waiting for that, I believe, is just self-sabotage. That sort of thinking is for people whose whole idea of love and relationships and commitment come from movies and TV and books and phony, exaggerated stories we heard from friends.

It’s not a coincidence that all the women who complain about not being able to find a decent guy also all the ones who are drawn to the ambitious, charming, handsome (to them) men. They want that intense attraction or the perpetual attention/validation. They don’t stop to consider that those men either have no need for commitment or monogamy or that they (the women) don’t bring enough to the table/possess too many critical flaws to get that guy to lock it down.

So, rather than just date two or three guys that satisfy their various needs, they continue to swim against the tide waiting for that one ideal guy to come along and choose them.

To what end, though? How long can someone get away with this until they’ve completely boxed themselves out or made themselves undateable?

Do you believe that there is one person out there that can satisfy and fulfill your needs?

What, for you,  are the pros and cons of dating multiple people?

 

 

 

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Is Looking For a Man Who Will Commit A Waste of Time?

Name: Becky
Age: 23
State:
Question: I’ve never had a relationship longer than 2 months. When I was younger it wasn’t big deal to me, but now it’s getting frustrating. About myself, looks wise I want to say I’m higher than average, I’m in shape, very feminine, and I have a great job in sales, this translates me to having great communication skills and can carry on a conversation with anyone without dominating the conversation. I typically never have a problem getting a first date, second date or even third. However getting past that is hard with someone I genuinely think I could see myself with. Obviously, I realize I’m the common factor here. I’ve thought of 3 things I’m thinking could be the issue, but I’m wondering if there is something you can give me insight in that I’m not seeing.

1.      I’m terrible at the playing hard to get. When I think someone is equally interested in me I get really excited and start to text them as much as I would a good friend and I text a lot. I think this over eagerness sometimes might be scaring guys off.

2.      I’m really bad about jumping into bed with people on the 2nd or 3rd date. Sometimes I wonder if I had waited longer and made sure there was a deeper connection maybe they would have respected me more to want to develop a relationship with me.

3.      I’m not sure I’m dating the right type of guys. I usually date guys much older than myself. The youngest guy I’ve dated in awhile is 30, but usually they are in their mid-30s. I like to think I’m attracted to the older guys because they are more stable and in a place I don’t feel like many people my age are, but I am. I also pick guys who I don’t feel like would be up to my standards (intellectually, education, job, multiple kids), but I like to give them a chance. I always like to give people the benefit of the doubt and usually my gut about those guys was correct to begin with.

Are any of these a giant red flag that I shouldn’t be doing? Or maybe you’ve picked up on it being something completely different I haven’t even figured out yet. I just want to start dating again, but I want to do it better and more successfully. Thank you.

 

Before I answer your questions, I wanted to include a posting in a list serv I belong to called Help a Reporter. The gist of the list serv is that writers post story and article ideas and ask for feedback and contributions from writers, experts and lay people. Here’s one post that was in yesterday’s newsletter:

I’m writing an article for Match.com’s Happen mag about the
two-month mark as a relationship milestone that many
relationships just can’t make it past. What is it about the
8-week point that can bring on the fizzling of interest?

 

The first thing you should know is that your experience is not atypical. The two-month mark appears to be the norm nowadays. With all the options out there, people don’t have to commit as quickly, if at all. Many men and women actually like dating multiple people and casually dating. It works for them. The simple reason why it’s harder to find a man to commit is because there are fewer men willing to or interested in committing. If women continue to look for those needles in the haystack, they need to understand that that search is going to take much, much longer than they originally expected. If it’s commitment they want, and they’re dating on a schedule, they best get comfortable with the idea of “settling.”

Now, as for the three points you mentioned might be working against you.

Whether you text “too much” is subjective. I don’t know how these men are responding or the frequency of their responses. As a general rule of thumb, I don’t prolong text conversations and pay attention to cues. If his responses are clipped or delayed, I keep the conversation short and sweet. If he seems as engaged as I do, then I just enjoy the back and forth. Typically, though, I save most communication for when we’re together or on the phone. I do think it’s wise to be a little less available. There’s no harm in maintaining  some mystery. Don’t let the guy know you’re hooked. You can let him know you’re interested. Just don’t play your hand too soon and let him know you’re ga ga.

As for the sex….that’s probably not an issue either. The idea that a man likes a challenge and will lose interest if you sleep with him too soon is a fallacy developed by women and insecure men. The more accessible women make sex, the less valuable it becomes in the dating market place. That means that sex is no longer the bargaining chip or “prize” that can be used to get certain behavior from men. Hence why so many women are trying to poison the well by telling women they need to keep their legs closed or risk never finding a manz. The idea of a “deep connection” and wanting to be recognized for “sharing your body” are romantic notions also manufactured by women. In other words, most men don’t think like that. So unless you’re attaching inordinate expectations to the sex, the sex itself isn’t the problem either. As long as you’re not romanticizing the act of having sex with a man and aren’t using it to gain something other than pleasure, you’re fine.

Your third point is more troubling. You’re admitting that you choose inappropriate men, yet you’re confused as to why these men aren’t sticking around. They’re not sticking around because they aren’t appropriate for you. Sure, you might think that they are more on your level in terms of stability and education. But they likely don’t feel the same about you. If anything, they’re dating you because you’re not mature enough.  We’ve discussed this before. Men don’t look too closely at a woman’s earning potential or education level when trying to determine compatibility. Those things fall pretty low on the list of priorities. You’re fun to hang out with and bang for a few months. Ultimately, the difference in maturity levels and lifestyles become too apparent to them. If they’re looking for someone to be the mother to their children, that driven career woman side of you is a negative. They’d rather find someone who wouldn’t mind putting their career on hold for a few years. So they’ll settle down with a woman who has already achieved a certain level of professional success or someone with no real career aspirations.

I think you’re biggest challenge is your ego and what you think you deserve. I think you tend to see yourself with a specific type of person. Someone who you feel is on your level. The problem is that most of the men you appear to pursue don’t find any of the things you find important as important. To them, you’re pretty much just a hot 23 year old. You’re fun for awhile, but then they find someone they can take seriously.

My advice is to start dating men who are more appropriate for you and get a clear understanding of what men consider important and attractive. Your diploma, job, apartment, etc are pretty much irrelevant to these men. You also need to understand, especially amongst the men you tend to gravitate towards, that commitment isn’t a priority. Either accept the fact that you’re going to be part of a harem or readjust your expectations as to what you “deserve.” And PS? You can develop your own harem, you know. Men did not corner the market on that idea. You’re 23 and really attractive. Jesus. Work it. Enjoy it. You can date a handful of guys that each meet a specific need. Just understand that if settling down and having kids is a priority, you’re going to have to make some sacrifices and compromises eventually.

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How Long Do You Wait To Commit?

I was reading Evan Mark Katz’s blog this morning. The article was about whether or not 3rd date sex is the “new normal.”

I was amused by one comment in particular. The woman was claiming victory because she and her guy have been dating 6 whole weeks and they agreed to be exclusive after date 5. Also making her proud was that she laid down the law about how she wouldn’t have sex until they were exclusive. And he agreed.

Now, I can’t think of a bigger recipe for disaster than this. Basically, it’s an impulse purchase. In the moment it’s what they want. Then they get it home and try it on and it doesn’t quite fit or work properly.My question would be…why? Why is this person so quick to make the sacrifices that commitment requires?

A woman who does this just doesn’t care about sex.  Since sex and sexual issues are one of – if not the – leading causes for break-ups/divorce, it’s kind of a big deal. To agree to swear off all other partners when you don’t even know if this particular person will satisfy you is a huge risk.

A man who does this is hard up or doesn’t like/care about sex or doesn’t think it’s a priority. In which case, the relationship might work. Fingers crossed, kiddies.

But let’s examine the bigger issues of exclusivity and commitment. Why would someone commit after a handful of dates/weeks? Is it that they’ve met someone so incredible that they can’t bear to lose them? I suppose that could happen. More likely, though, the guy was coerced into committing or committed knowing he was eventually going to leave.  It’s not really a pledge or commitment. More like an open-ended promise. “I’ll agree to stay with you for as long as this works or until I meet someone else.” Commitment, true commitment, does not include or involve takesies-backsies. Agreeing to be exclusive with someone,, while thinking in the back of your mind that you’ll just break up if things don’t work out, is not commitment.

Let’s look at this another way. If a man isn’t getting sex regularly anyway, what is he sacrificing if he agrees to wait for sex until he commits? Even bad sex is still more sex than he’s getting.  If the woman can’t manage to find any guy to commit to her, then what is she sacrificing? In both cases, nothing. So what makes the commitment sacred in any way? Call me cynical and jaded all you like…I think the shelf-life of a relationship that starts off like this or where exclusivity is decided upon within the first month is very brief. Before people come back at me with examples of how they committed to someone before they had sex or within a few weeks of dating, I want you to ask yourself one question: how long did it last? Because if it lasted a year or two, I’m sorry, that doesn’t count unless your goal is to have a series of short-lived relationships. Swearing off sex with other people and giving up your independence for a year or two isn’t an accomplishment.

I don’t know how anybody can think that, after 5 dates, you can determine whether or not you and another person are compatible in the long term. I don’t even know how people can do that after a year, what with how people are constantly evolving and changing. I understand why most women do this, though. The need to say that they have  a boyfriend overpowers them. Without a man in their life (or without male attention) their lives are empty and meaningless. That’s why you hear women say things like, “What do you know…YOU’RE SINGLE!” To them, nothing is worse then being alone. They need to have a man to refer to so they can feel confident in themselves and in their opinions.  Having a boyfriend gains them immediate access into a club to which they’ve always longed to belong. One of the membership perks is trotting her man out at weddings, parties, blog comments or on Twitter. Often times these women aren’t even all that interested in the men they bamboozle into committing to them. What they become dependent upon is the attention and the validation the relationship provides.

It’s shocking to me how so many people here underestimate the power of attention. Men are just as guilty of this. Some men have such a bottomless need for it that they’ll intentionally seek out women that are, as one male commenter lovingly called them, below their weight class, as they’ll shower them with adoration. Classy.

So…back to the original topic/question:

Would you commit to someone or pledge exclusivity before you have slept with them? Why or why not?

How long do you typically date someone before you agree to be exclusive?

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Why Can’t Women Enjoy Sexual Variety, Too?

A conversation with a married friend the other night became unusually tense. The topic was my love life.I had just come home from a day long date with someone. Admittedly, I was exhausted from sitting outside and having drinks and walking around for a couple of hours. I may have actually fell asleep at some point in our conversation, which I’m sure made the situation a bit worse.

“I’m bound by nothing” I said. “I don’t know why I never acknowledged that before. It’s like this light went on in my head.”

“I still think you want to find someone to spend your life with” he said.

“Sure. But I’m in no rush.  Who knew that women could enjoy a little variety just as much as men?”

“Sure. But how long can you get away with that?” he asked.

“Get away with..what?

That’s where the conversation took a turn. What am I “getting away with?”  Oh, right.

We’re used to hearing men talk about dating multiple women or serial dating. We don’t really hear of many women doing the same. I guess part of that has to do with the sexual aspect i.e. sleeping with multiple people. Women aren’t usually encouraged to do that for fear of being labeled a slut by other women and angry guys on the internet. (But then, as long as you keep your mouth shut about what you’re doing when you’re not with a particular partner, none of that should really matter, yes? It’s all just speculation until you confirm it with a confession.)

I was having a Twitter conversation with @SocialyouDC last week about sexual history and partner count. They asked their followers about how they felt about having the “how many partners have you had” conversation. I replied and said that there was absolutely no logical reason to ever have that discussion. “But what about disease history??” they asked. I responded and said that all that someone needed to do is get tested regularly and practice safe sex and there is no need for that conversation.

The disease/testing/sexual history conversation is just a back end way to try and find out what a man or women is up to when they aren’t with you. That’s it. You never, ever ask a partner if they’re sleeping with someone else. They will either lie to you (so the question is pointless) or they’ll tell you the truth and either you won’t believe them or you’ll be hurt. So don’t ask the question.

Why not take advantage of the freedom you have while you still have it? Why do we care so much if  a guy thinks we’re “well-ridden?” (My new favorite saying.) Especially since we know we secretly want them to be a stud in bed? And let’s face it…even if they’re not, we’re still going to lie to our friends and say they are. Who are we kidding? We want a man with options.  To say we don’t is a lie.

Women want a guy who knows his way around a vagina, and a man wants a woman who knows her way around a penis.  Why all the denial and feigned shock? As long as you don’t get to the point where sex becomes some mechanical act devoid of any form of a connection, and you don’t become reckless, who cares? Just keep it to yourself and you’ll be fine.

Somebody here once said that the thing they feared most about being in a committed relationship was the eventual boredom they would feel with sleeping with the same person for an extended period of time. It seems men are expected to feel that way. Women, on the other hand, are expected to want to find one partner and be satisfied with just him. Is this accurate? Or are women just discouraged from wanting sexual variety because people fear it will discourage women from wanting to reproduce and/or settle down?

Do women really prefer monogamy..or are we just told to prefer monogamy because that’s what makes everybody else more comfortable?

What is it about a woman who enjoys sexual variety that gets so many men and women in a twist?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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What’s Your Dating Timetable?

Here’s another question from our He Said/She Said event the other night.

Ladies, do you have a timetable in your mind on how long you want to date before you move in or get married?

 

I think there are a lot of factors involved with this like age, relationship goals AND relationship history. If a woman has had a hard time finding a man who wanted to commit, or dated men who hesitated to commit, the urgency for commitment and milestone achievement can grow. We saw an example of this in a recent letter. The harder it becomes to find someone who wants a relationship, the more anxious some women tend to get about the relationship progressing. Unfortunately, this anxiousness also messes with our need to do a little critical thinking. We want to believe everything is “normal” or “typical” that we ignore that little voice in our head that suggests we take a step back and look at the situation objectively and realistically.

The other factor here is that many women tend to use their friend’s relationships as a benchmark. Which is funny, because I can guarantee you that the stories they have heard from their girlfriends are at least a little embellished or skewed.Basically, they’re basing their own schedule on a relationship that doesn’t really exist.

This question raises an interesting subject. What do you think is he typical time frame for reaching various stages of a relationship?I’m posing these questions to both men and women.

  • When do you meet their friends?
  • When do you Facebook Friend them? (Yes, an actual milestone now.)
  • When do you meet their family?
  • When do you have sex?
  • When do you spend holidays together?
  • When do you travel together?
  • When do you discuss where the relationship is going/exclusivity?
  • When do you talk about living together or marriage?
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Are You Really That Desperate???

I have to say that I was pretty astounded at how many people didn’t blink an eye at the idea of a man committing to exclusivity after dating a woman for a week. Especially when, as it turned out, the woman in question made it clear to him that she did not have sex without the promise of commitment and exclusivity.

Those of us who were skeptical of the scenario were accused of being everything from a “nut case” to pessimistic to afraid of commitment.

Here’s a thought…maybe some of us acknowledge and understand that commitments of any kind should not be entered in to lightly or under duress.

I’m sorry, but of you don’t have sex without commitment, then don’t have sex until commitment is on the table. Oh, right. You’re just soooo sexual that you just can’t go without it. Please. What a crock.

Another question I have is why would you want someone who is willing to commit under those terms? How does it not once cross a woman’s mind that the guy might just be lying to get what he wants? Or incredibly desperate for sex? How are these possibilities even attractive?? And why are people who aren’t so willing to jump head first in to a situation like this considered jaded or commitment-phobes?

Everybody seems to be in a mad rush for commitment without actually understanding what commitment means or implies.

I’m not sure why committing early is so scary. It’s pretty much saying let’s just date each other and see where it goes. You can still break up just as easy if the chemistry fizzles out but at least you don’t have distractions of trying to maintain other budding relationships at the same time if what you have in front of you seems awesome and would like to know more. Feels like people rather stand in front of 3-4 different paths scared to walk down any one fearing they may miss out the treasures of the other paths. But you can’t walk down all 3 as far as you want to find anything good (unless sex is the only good) so you have to pick one at some point. Some do this sooner then later. - Saj

If commitment weren’t scary, it wouldn’t be commitment. The word implies sacrifice of something of consequence. What you’re describing is a “trial period” with a money back guarantee, ie the exact opposite of commitment. – DMN

Commitment, as DMN states, is a sacrifice. It’s not something to enter in to lightly, whether it’s committing to be exclusive or committing to honor and cherish. I honestly believe that most people rush in to commitment because they either are exhausted by whole dating process, have an ulterior motive, or are terrified that the person they are dating will wake up one day and realize they made a mistake.

Here’s the thing…they can still do that. Commitment doesn’t prevent someone from being left behind. It just slows it down or makes it more difficult. In my mind, there’s no difference between committing to someone “to see where it goes” and marrying someone “to see where it goes.” Maybe I’m crazy, but commitment is commitment. You make a promise. I don’t see why saying those words in a ceremony surrounded by friends makes the vow that much more valid. If anything, marriage offers the woman far more security because, should that relationship dissolve, she’s taken care of financially. The level of risk involved for the two parties is completely disproportionate.

I don’t understand how a a person can look at committing to exclusivity with a “if it doesn’t work out we can just break up” attitude and not apply the same casualness to marriage. Don’t give me this crap about how, when you get married,  you’re pledging your love and fidelity in front of friends and it is being witness by the eyes of God and that’s why it’s different. Because that is bullshit.

Maybe it’s not that more and more people are afraid to commit. Maybe it’s that more and more people are realizing that commitment is, like, hard and stuff and won’t make a promise they know they can’t keep or will only make it if they truly feel they can deliver on that promise.

I’m genuinely gobsmacked at how people will encourage others to take such a leap so blindly and so casually. Yet when the topic of sex comes up they will gird their loins and talk about how they want to be sure it’s “the right time.” Sex isn’t something to be casual about. But hey, make a promise to someone and just break up if it doesn’t work you.

Seriously…do some of you even hear yourselves and how inconsistent your reasoning is?

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