The Dating Survival Skills You MUST Have

Name: PJ
Age: 59
State: NY
Question: Its Friday night I’m alone again, I thought once I had a bf that
we would do “couple things” like take in a movie, have dinner,
walk in the park.  When we first met he would go upstate to
visit his daughter.  I would ask why can’t you stay
Friday night and leave Sat morning. He wouldn’t do that.
Finally he did stop, I think he daughter got a bf of her own.

I moved in and we started doing a few “couple things”.
But then his school started, he is working on his PHD
in chemistry and is doing a lot of lab work.  He stays
there all night 3 nights a week and claims he sleeps in
the student lounge.

At first I was very depressed being left alone so much,
but little by little I began to develop friends and go to meet up
events.  I’ve gone to comedy clubs, writing groups,
shows, lectures, and many many movies. Often times I go by
myself,  its better than staring at the empty rooms.

I still don’t trust that he is just sleeping in the student
lounge.  I did find some emails on a dating site
where he met with some woman. When I confronted
him he said that he made a mistake that he felt neglected
by me since I had started my jewelry business.  He
claimed that he wouldn’t see her again.

A few months later  I saw a bunch of  sexy pictures he had
taken of her at midnight in her apartment. Red Flag…
He claims he is innocent that he could never be with
another woman that he has hit the “lotto” in dating me.
He is a master manipulator, and a smooth talker.
I do admire that he is  bright but that sometimes works
against me.  His overactive brain  hurls him into doing
harmful actions; such as  talk on the phone secretly in the
bathroom with the door closed, turning off the computer
when I walk into the room.

Why does he persist in telling me he loves me when he does all
this hurtful behavior.  I have to let this not get to me.
To put all my energies into writing again and into my
jewelry business. That gives me a sense of accomplishment
helps me to regain a little of the self confidence I have lost

an update I did finally move out, the secretive behavior
finally got to me, but I haven’t gotten him out of my system. I know this sounds like relationship drama but
now he says that he misses me and wants to get married..
we did have great sex, but that may be because we are
both so needy?

 

A few months later  I saw a bunch of  sexy pictures he had
taken of her at midnight in her apartment. Red Flag…

No. That’s a Fireable Offense. Not a Red Flag. That is evidence he’s cheating. Hard evidence.

I’m not sure what it is you’re asking in this letter. This feels more like an internal dialogue. You’re almost 60 and I’m guessing this guy is, at the youngest since he’s working on his PhD, close to 40 or in his 40′s. What are you hoping for here?

The guy is clearly cheating on you/using you. And you’re letting him. You have all kinds of proof that he’s dishonest. Yet now it sounds like you’re considering going back to him. My guess is he’s looking for someone to sponge off as he finishes school. So, if you’d like to be that person for him, go ahead.

I really don’t have too much to add to this. If anything, this letter makes me sad and and makes me wonder what the point of offering any advice, ever, really is. Almost 60, alone and clinging to some obvious bottom feeder.

Where did it all go wrong, do you think? Do you think she knows she’s not just settling but in full-on delusion mode? Or do you think this is how she’s rationalized every pseudo-relationship she’s ever had?

I read articles every day that make me scratch my head and wonder how someone can go on date after date, experience disappointment after disappointment, and learn absolutely nothing. They get tripped up on the most simple of things. Well, wait. At first, those things don’t appear simple. I can sympathize for someone who gets all tongue tied because someone asks them when they’re last relationship was or how long it was. But then I learned to realize that people who asks such inane questions are really just revealing their own limitations. I also learned to lie my face off, offer a vague answer that isn’t quite a lie or effectively change the subject.

I developed Dating Survival Skills.

I learned not to care so much.

I learned to say no.

I learned to own my choices.

I learned to accept the path that I was on and that, maybe, I wasn’t supposed to be with anyone at that particular moment, which gives a whole new meaning to the title of this column.

I learned to stop seeking validation.

I learned how to identify when I just wanted attention versus genuine affection.

I learned how to walk away and not need to “win.”

I learned how to own my shit and how I contributed to the outcome.

I learned how to decipher what men really meant when they said certain things and what those things said about them.

I learned how to filter.

I learned to accept that I may very well never settle down with anyone…and that’s okay.

I learned how dangerous loneliness can be if I let it rule me instead of just feeling it and believing that I was just lonely in that moment and that it wouldn’t last.

I guess I just wonder how people manage to get by when they don’t develop ANY of these skills. How do they recover from another frustration? Do they recover? Or do they just spiral down some dirty, dank rabbit hole until the hit the bottom?

Is that who you want to be? Is that what you want for yourself? Do you want to sit on the ground, your head spinning, looking around and wondering how you got there?

Thoughts?

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Successful Online Dating Requires Some Hard & Fast Rules

Name: Nancy
State: NY
Age: 38
Comment: While doing online dating, I’m running into the type of man who sends lots of engaging emails, but doesn’t want to meet in real life.  After email 5 or 6 I suggest we continue the conversation over coffee or drinks, but they either dissappear, or arrange a date then cancel or don’t confirm.

I’ve also had a few first dates, where the man has kept in contact after the first date via SMS or email, telling me how much he misses me etc, then arranges a second date but doesn’t confirm.  They usually come sneaking back without apology after six weeks, but by then I’ve already moved on.

Another type of man I’m encountering is the one who wants daily phonecalls and no dates.  Coincidentally, they have all been IT professionals who don’t have a rich social life, but enjoy hearing about mine.

Ignoring the men who send emails like “your hot” “wanna f**k”, I’d say a quarter of the serious emails I’m getting are from men who want to meet after swapping about 3 or 4 mails.  Three quarters are from men who appear to want a virtual girlfriend.

Funnily, when I realise that the emails and phonecalls aren’t going anywhere, I mention to them that I went out on a date with someone, then they disappear.  I know its taboo to mention other dates, but by email number ten to twelve I’ve reached a level of frustration that I no longer care.

Do you think that I’m handing things wrong, or putting them off in some way?  Or am I just too impatient with these men?

I thought that maybe my profile attracts the loner types, as I have a wide range of hobbies and some of them might pique their interests, e.g. science fiction.  I’m currently rewriting my profile to make myself sound more sociable and outgoing, and working on getting photos of myself at social events, so I’m attracting more outdoorsy men. I’m also going to scour my profile to make sure there are no nerdy references.

Can you and your readers suggest what else I may be doing wrong?

 

I’ve also had a few first dates, where the man has kept in contact after the first date via SMS or email, telling me how much he misses me etc, then arranges a second date but doesn’t confirm.  They usually come sneaking back without apology after six weeks, but by then I’ve already moved on.

I think what’s happening with you is that you’re frequently being placed on the back burner while these guys explore other options. They’re keeping their options open by continuing to engage you, but they’re out there dating other people. They don’t want totally cut you off, just in case. As I said in a recent and similar post, they’re playing their odds at your expense. Practically everybody deals with this at one time or another. (See this other new post about how to handle this particular situation.) At any given time we’re all communicating with multiple people. That’s why it’s important to get offline as soon as possible. It’s way too easy to fall between the cracks and get lost.

This is the nature of online dating and you can’t take it personally. But you can learn to spot these guys before you waste too much time.

Once more for the cheap seats……….

If they don’t confirm a date after exchanging 2 or 3 emails, take the initiative and ask them out. If they don’t commit to anything within 24 hours, move on. If he or she wants to speak on the phone once the date is set to make sure you’re not a serial killer or too boring for their oh so engaging personality, give ‘em a call if you’re really that interested. But in general this is a gross waste of time. 3 emails. Set up date. Confirm day of. Meet. No chitty chat in between. Ladies, send the thank you text after the date and say you’d like to do it again. Guys, if you’re interested, take that and run with it and set up another date. Fin. The End. That’s dating today.

Another type of man I’m encountering is the one who wants daily phonecalls and no dates.  Coincidentally, they have all been IT professionals who don’t have a rich social life, but enjoy hearing about mine.

This is another common sub-section of online dater. They’re just looking for someone to pay attention to to them or are too afraid to meet someone off line and “ruin the magic.” They like the idea of seeming perfect.This happens a lot, especially if people are using old photos of themselves and they know they no longer look like those pics. Or they’ve just been blown off so many times that they are afraid to take the risk. Whatever the reason, the most likely outcome if you did meet was that you’d be disappointed.That’s why these people need to be cut off pronto.

I do agree that your science fiction related interests or hobbies is going to draw these men to you. You don’t have to take those references out. What you can state in your profile is that you do not IM or text or email with anyone off site until a date has been set. You should also say that you prefer to exchange no more than 2 or 3 emails before meeting. Most men are thrilled by this and are happy to comply.

I said this last week. These people who need all these steps and all this time to work up the nerve to ask you out or to confirm plans are time wasters. So sorry, folks. They either are very cautious or skeptical or they are using the site for attention/entertainment purposes. Or they are horrifically social awkward and you’ll have to coddle them. You need to stop making excuses for these people. It’s not your job to help them through whatever awkward phase they might be going through, nor are you potentially losing out at The One by being quicker to dismiss bad behavior.

The only thing you’re doing wrong is engaging these guys. You need to take a hard and fast line when it comes to how much time and energy you are willing to devote to them. The longer you stay invested in these dead end situations, the more frustrated you will grow and the more people you could be meeting are meeting someone else. This is why so many people get burnt out and go on “dating detoxes.” (Which, btw, are a total sham. They’re not going on any detox. They just want you to think they are so you will, too. Misery loves company.)

Think of this approach as sort of a Cleanse. You’ll be getting rid of the toxic people more regularly to make room for the healthier ones. Over time, it gets easier and you’ll have a greater sense of control over the process.

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The Power of Saying “Next!”

By the way, I’ve run across many guys’ profiles that state they hate winks and ask that women spend the time to email. The rest of their profiles are usually interesting and unique. What’s your take on these men? – 3 cents

I think those men are high maintenance attention whores. I don’t bother with them. I don’t have time for guys with Unique Little Snowflake Syndrome. If I’m taking the initiative, be grateful. A man who can’t appreciate a woman making the first move is not going to appreciate other things she does. Any guy who feels compelled to speak out and state explicitly in his profile that he won’t respond to XYZ is burnt out, frustrated or high maintenance. I have plenty of options. I don’t have to cater to someone like that. – Moxie

Seriously. Who would voluntary subject themselves to this Not every attractive guy/girl is someone you need to date. Move on! – DMN

 

I received an email a few nights ago from a man who attended one of our speeddating events about a month ago. Apparently, he contacted his two matches. One of them replied, one didn’t. He responded to the one woman who did reply, but she didn’t reply back.

He wrote me asking if I could contact these women to be sure his messages were received. Which I did. But neither of these women followed up with me. The guy was baffled. Why bother choosing him as a match if they weren’t going to reply? Was it something he said? I had no idea. What I did know was that it had been a month since the event and he was still wondering what went wrong instead of just saying, “Next!” and going to another event and meeting other women.

I was reading another article  a couple days ago. The author was talking about a guy she had met online. He was, in her words, “super-cute, funny and educated.” His texts were witty and entertaining and omigod he was just so cool. So the woman decides to call him in the middle of the text exchange. The guy didn’t answer. Instead, a few minutes later, he sent her a text and asked, “What’s up?” Thus begins the analysis part of the story. Why doesn’t he call, what’s his deal, etc.

How about…Next!

We keep talking about the shopping cart mentality that has developed in the dating scene due to an over-abundance of options. Yet, despite this mentality, we still manage to fixate on the ones that get away. We’re so quick to dismiss people because they only said “hi” in their email message or something equally frivolous. But we cling to the ones who make it abundantly clear they don’t want us.

I’ve come to enjoy the freedom and the sense of power that saying, “Next!” has given me. You suggest we meet that night for a drink, don’t follow up, and then text me two days later? Next! You display obvious signs of being emotionally dysfunctional in your emails? Next! It takes a village to get you to commit to a time and date to meet for a drink? Next!

Like I said to 3 cents above, I don’t have to tolerate the time wasters or the emotionally deficient. I don’t have to indulge some dude’s desire to be treated as a unique little snowflake. You can’t pick a time and date to meet? Next! You’re just not that into me? Next!

There’s always going to be somebody else. They might not be any better than the last person you met. But they are an option. And you have the ability to say yes or no. You can choose to engage or disengage.  There is nothing forcing you to go out with them other than the voice in your head that tells you that that person “might” be the one. News flash: That person is not viewing you in the same light. To that person you are likely nothing more than a source of attention. That’s why I said yesterday to bail from a situation where the person isn’t willing to set up a date as soon as their schedule allows. Many people get attached to someone just from text attention. It needs to stop. None of this back and forth emailing or texting. None of this scheduling and rescheduling.

The reason why people get so burnt out with online dating is because they spend too much time engaging the people that either have too many options, are emotionally crippled in some way or are just looking for people to add to their mobile Rolodex so they can get attention. These people probably make up about 50% of the online dating population. Within this segment are many, many people who have never developed the necessary skills required to relate to people in a healthy way. And it shows.

  • They can’t set up a date and stick to it
  • The cancel dates
  • They drop off the grid every few days
  • They take for ever to reply to texts
  • They are passive aggressive
  • They text or email but never commit to actually meeting

These people need to be ignored the minute they show signs of wasting your time. Don’t ask them to explain themselves, don’t look for reassurance. NEXT! That’s it. Clear the way for someone else. Stop listening to friends who have that urban legend tale about their friend Martha’s cousin and how she experienced the exact same thing and had a different outcome.  Forget about that episode of How I Met Your Mother where Barney, the notorious “player” , magically became whole because of the love of a woman. These people exist in fantasies.

 

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