How To Get The People You Want To Date To View Your Profile & Write To You

 

1. Don’t roll out the Welcome mat – Opening your About Me section with some sort of greeting is a waste. You’re taking up the 2 seconds that you need to grab someone’s attention. Plus it just makes you sound like you’re trying too hard. Just get right to it.

2. Don’t start off explaining how uncomfortable/hard it is to talk about yourself – You’re not fooling anybody. This isn’t an eight grade book report where you have to meet a word minimum. Don’t take short cuts like this. Plus, it makes you sound negative.

3. Think keywords – This is the part of your profile where you should include as many descriptors as possible. I’ve mentioned how people use certain keywords when doing searches in order to better hone in on people with whom they’d feel compatible. Forget using words like outgoing and adventurous. Include specific stories and examples of activities that you think will give people a better idea of who you are. Do a search, view  a bunch of profiles and, from the ones that appeal to you, choose words those people use in their profile to describe themselves. That way you’ll be drawing people like them to you.

4. Lists are good - A lot of people find writing about themselves to be a chore. Take a little shortcut by coming up with a bullet point list of things that describe you, your hobbies and your interests. Don’t just say you love animals or enjoy the beach. Give specific examples. For example:

  • I recently downloaded the Debbie Downer sound clip to my phone. When something goes awry, I play it and it gives me a chuckle.
  • Me time sometimes includes binge watching House of Cards and Sherlock while enjoying a nicer Cabernet/cup of tea.
  • ASPCA commercials get me every time. I don’t have enough room in my closet for all the tote bags I’ve been given for making a donation.

5.  If you’re using OK Cupid, answer questions that revolve around topics most important to you – Search some profiles, find ones that you like and look through their questions. You can choose to view questions by categories. If you’re big on the outdoors or politics or the arts, look for questions to answer that focus on that topic. That’s going to get you included in searches for people with similar opinions and lifestyle interests.

6. Be available – A lot of people prefer to grab someone’s attention while they’re logged in. Log on to the site and keep the window open while you’re doing other things. Who cares if you always appear online. Unless someone is monitoring your profile, nobody is going to know.

7. Post an eye catching primary photo – Your face should take up the majority of that little thumbnail that pops up when someone does a search. Try to choose a photo where you’re wearing a bright color. That way your thumbnail will stand out and jump off the page.

8. Post no more than 3-5 pictures – I actually think 3 good shots are enough. Face, body, social shot. Done. The more pictures you have, the more reason you’re giving someone not to contact you. Make sure your photos are clear and that the lightening is ideal. No shot from the side or far away or wearing sunglasses.

9. Keep your busy schedule to yourself – Don’t mention how many hours you work or how hard it might be to schedule a date.

10. Fill out the music, movie and book interest section – This appears to be the main place that people find that thing to mention in their email to prove they read the full profile. Make it easier for them by giving specific examples of favorite books or groups or films. Make it interesting by posting lyrics or quotes from some of your favorites and let people guess. In order to find the answer, they’ll write to you.

11. Tell people that you check your inbox regularly and answer messages when you think there’s a possible match. Since so many people clog up these sites just to get attention, it’s refreshing to know that someone is an active participant in the process.

12. Do not bark any commands as to who should and shouldn’t contact you -  Leave the past in the past. You don’t want people thinking you have your guard up to high or are burnt out.

 

 

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How to Avoid Looking Like a Creep On OKCupid (This Applies To Men AND Women)

I have been a huge advocate of the dating site OKCupid for some times now. I like the functionality, I like the questions and I like that it’s free (though I pay for it.) You’re not shooting off messages to a bunch of people who very well might not be paid members and therefore can’t respond. There’s very little deceptiveness behind the OKC business model, which is why I use them.

However, in the past few months I have found my patience with the members of that site growing thin. My frustration has ratcheted up a few notches since posting profiles in other nearby cities. That means that I’m dealing with three times the average online dating annoyances.

I want to do a quick run down of things that people do that, unbeknownst to them, make people feel uncomfortable or irritated.

1. Repeatedly viewing someone’s profile - If you don’t want to pay the membership fee for OKC, then create what the kids call a “stalker profile” so you can cruise anonymously. Making daily pit stops on someone’s profile – when you know that they can see you visited – makes you seem odd. Or weak. I so, so , SO wish OKC users had the ability to prevent someone from viewing their profile. Alas, they don’t. Consider how it would make you feel if you were walking to work and, every day, you saw the same person peeking around a corner at you. Weird, right? Yes, it’s weird. I’ll give someone a couple peeks. That’s normal. But to look at them every day or every other day for weeks straight? Creepy. Stop it. Also cease repeatedly viewing someone’s profile while you know they’re online. That’s just a way to get someone curious enough that they’ll message you. Either message them or don’t. Constantly looking at their profile while they’re online makes you look like a pest.

2. Admitting that you recognize someone from the offline world - Maybe you know them from a job or through friends or, you know, their blog. It’s never a good idea to open with, “Hey, I saw you on the subway last week. You got off at Union Square.” That is going to make people wonder if it’s just a random coincidence that you found them or if you’re stalking them. To speak more specifically, you will NEVER win points with me if you send me an email and say, “I love your blog.” Ever. Ever ever ever. The typical regular male reader of a dating blog usually falls in to one of two categories: the white knight or the PUA/Manosphere types. While there are a handful of guys that come here that I know genuinely come here for the discussion, a lot don’t. I will always err on the side of caution on that one.

3. Including your phone number or email address in your intro email – Sorry, but that reeks of desperation and social cluelessness.

4. Posting only photos of yourself taken by a cell phone or laptop – You’re a social recluse and have no friends.

5. Completely disregarding the user’s stated preferences - Trust me. If I wanted to date a 25 year old, I’d have set my desired age range to include 25 year olds. If I wanted to date women, I’d list myself as bisexual. If I wanted to date someone in Scarsdale, I wouldn’t have said in my “You should contact me it” section that I wanted to hear from people who live in the city or was looking for a city-minded guy. Pay attention to the clues, because they’re there. When people who fall not just outside someone’s stated preferences but well outside them contact you, they’re telling you one of two things. One, they didn’t read your profile. Two, they think they’re so god damn special and unique that you should make an exception for them. People have to remember that if they’re ignoring someone’s preferences, other people probably are too, causing that user to be barraged with a shit ton of useless, annoying messages. Change your username to SpamIAm, because that’s essentially what you are if you disregard someone’s preferred criteria.

6. Making inappropriate comments in an intro email - I once had a guy open his message to me by saying, “Good Morning, Horny SoandSo.” Mind you, there was no mention of sex in my profile, nor did I have the casual sex option checked off. He explained that he addressed me that way because of some of the questions I answered. So I cleared all of my questions out. Of course he had to email me again after doing that to tell me that that was probably a smart move. Again we have an instance of total and utter social cluelessness.While I put myself in the position to be approached that way by being so forth coming with my answers to those questions, that doesn’t mean it’s a good rule of thumb to be that brazen in your approach. Bottom line? It’s gross. If you’re smart and experienced, you know the best way to get what you want.

7. Jumping on to IM or emailing someone as soon as they log on - I know with OKC it used to be that, when someone logged on, a little dialog box would pop up alerting you to that. Give someone a few minutes before you try to contact them. Immediately trying to reach out  makes you look like you’ve been sitting online and waiting for them to appear. Le Creep.

8. Ignoring common signs that someone is trying to end a conversation - The main reason why I am hesitant to respond to folks who continuously view profile is that, once you respond to them, they won’t leave you alone. If someone’s conversation gets shorter and shorter, or they talk about how busy they are, or they actually sign off an email with “Have a good one!” they’re trying to leave the conversation. If they don’t return your questions with questions, they’re usually replying to be polite.

9. Picking fightsI was reading this article last week and was blown away by the blatant hostility of the men writing them. Obviously, some of these messages were part of larger conversations. There’s no doubt in my mind that some of these guys were somewhat provoked into being assholes. However, some of these messages are written with the intention of offending the woman so that she will respond. You know how, in grammar school, boys would tease the girls they like. This is the adult version of that. However, if you’re going to insist upon including hot button topics in your profile, learn to expect some people to try and debate you. If you can’t have a rational or mature dialogue about the subject, don’t include it in your profile. If you’re just going to trade insults, you’re no better than the person who picked the fight.

OKC used to offer members the ability to filter messages. That way they wouldn’t have to constantly respond to that little ding notification on their phone and learn that yet another person who in no way meets their explicitly stated preferences has emailed them. OKC got rid of that feature once Match.com bought them. The logic, I assume, is to drive people so batty with messages from people they don’t want to hear from that they’ll head on over to Match. I’m not going to slag on OKC for that decision, because that’s business and everybody needs to make a living. However, I want to plead to people who shoot off messages to people without reading profiles and to folks who think they’re some kind of unique case to stop and consider how soul-sucking it can be for someone to have to slog through messages from people that aren’t what they are looking for. Please. Just stop and think before you send that message.

Stop screwing with other people’s experience online. Just stop.

Post Script: I’m going to suggest something kinda daring. I wouldn’t even bother reading your OKC emails anymore. I am starting to think that the people who view your profile and don’t write are the only people you should consider contacting outside of the occasional unsolicited cold call message. I actually believe some people now consider viewing a profile the same as sending a message. It’s like relying on Caller ID to let someone know you called without leaving a message.

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POLL: Which Do You Prefer: Week Day or Weekend First Dates?

A conversation in an earlier thread this week made me wonder how much time and effort do people put into preparing for a date.

Last week I bit the bullet and had my hair professionally straightened. Well, I had a Keratin process. (Is that the same thing? I suck at being a girl.) I grew tired of how wild my hair looked, and having it blown out every week was just a time suck. At least now my curls are looser and my hair is softer. PS? Looking for styling tips so that I can wear my hair like the pic at right.

In any case, I’ve found that preparing for a date can be pretty time consuming. That’s one of the reasons why I tried to avoid scheduling first/second dates during the week. Between work, working out, household stuff, errands, etc there’s it’s just too stressful for me to try and get everything done by 7 or even 8pm.

I don’t think I’m alone in my pre-date process, either. While I schedule weekly brow shaping/pedicure appointments, the day of a date I probably devote a good 2 hours to getting ready.

I doubt guys put in that kind of time. But maybe they do? No, probably not.

The other reason why I prefer weekend dates at first is because I like to be able to relax, have a few drinks and not be dragging the next day. Unfortunately, most of my weekends consist of Saturday after 6pm to Sunday evening. Saturdays are our busiest night. I have 5 events scheduled Friday and Saturday of this week plus 4 profile review sessions.

I’m going to theorize that people who say that weekends are too “valuable” are 100% full of it and likely sitting home watching re-reruns of Scandal. Plan the date for 6pm. If it’s a bust you’ll be done by 7:30. If it’s not, you’ll have instant Saturday night plans. Let’s not pretend that we are turning down invites to parties left and right, hmm?

So…what do you do to prepare for a date? And do you prefer weekend first dates or week day first dates?

 

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Why People Can’t Get Away With Being So Picky Anymore

Name: Dale
Comment: Dear Moxie,
Two men were given my number as an introduction. One called at 10pm on a weeknight (within days of receiving my #), the other called at 10:10pm Thursday two-weeks later. The latter mentioned in his voicemail (because I didn’t take the call) that he had my # for two-weeks and had been in Miami on business & in search of a 2nd residency there. Miami is not in a different time zone than NY nor is it an international call. I think an initial call/meeting sets a tone. These calls showed a lack of consideration and respect calling at that hour – not to mention displaying a bit of social-misfit behavior in my opinion. I have no interest in meeting them – too harsh? You only get one chance to make a first impression….
Age: 42
City: New York
State: NY

 

So basically you’re in a snit because these two total strangers didn’t make more of an effort to show you how important you are?

Would you also like to dismiss them because they had a 646 exchange instead of a 917?

You live in NYC. Most people consider 10pm relatively early. If it were past 11 I could see your point, but you are just nit picking here. My guess is if these men had sent you a text at 8pm instead of calling that you would have had a problem with that, too. Sorry to be harsh (not really) but I don’t think it’s fair to expect men to know what your personal boundaries are without even knowing you. They don’t know that you find a 10pm phone call inappropriate. Maybe that’s the first time they had a quiet moment and some time to talk?

Here’s a novel concept: maybe it’s not all about you? Maybe you, like these men, have some impressing to do? Dale, the days of women sitting on patios under parasols as their gentleman callers approach are gone. You could be 22 or 42, being this picky is not going to serve you well. People can not get away with this anymore.

You have manufactured a back story about these two men that probably doesn’t exist. Personally, I think people do that for one reason only: they don’t really want a relationship. I call people like this Bottle Neckers. They clog up the dating highway with nonsensical behavior and beliefs.

Not everything starts off like some meet cute scenario in a rom com.

 

 

 

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Spam Her Clam?

Name: Theodore Underwood

Comment: I’m wondering if you can share some advice on how to get more responses from women on dating profiles. It seems that for every 10 messages I send, I get maybe 2 or 3 responses, and of those maybe 35% lead to a date. It’s really frustrating for guys, and we can’t even tell what we’re doing wrong. I tried out this service SpamHerClam.com that messages women for you to save time and rejection…aside from being a little crass, it’s the best thing I’ve found to work so far. Suggestions?
Age: 32
City: Fredericksburg
State: Virginia

 

Now, before everybody jumps into the comments it’s important to realize that this is an advertisement disguised as a letter.

I don’t believe in sponsored posts. In fact, when a crew of dating bloggers formed so that they could each schill a bunch of cheap, stupid scams and products I laughed knowing that it would destroy whatever modest credibility the bloggers had. Oh hai, internetz. Let me tell you how much I luuurve having this meal program delivered to my home for a week or about this mood ring for single ladiez that they can wear on the wedding finger and pretend to be engaged. I mean, I would never pay for this myself, of course. But I got paid to tell you how awesome it is, so here I am telling you to spend your money on this stinker. While maybe 2 or 3 of these bloggers were honest in their assessment of various services, most weren’t. You’d be surprised how willing someone is to promote a product just to get a little publicity or promotion. Or cash.

Let’s discuss SpamHerClam.com, shall we. Their tag line is…wait for it…”If you want some clam, you have to spam.” Stay classy, kids. Stay classy. The  service provided by this site is to mass mail several women at once based on criteria you select.

You set the search criteria, eg: Girl, aged 18-28, thin/fit, in New York. We can use whatever your site allows as a search feature.

So, if my feeble woman brain is understanding this correctly, this site sends a bunch of messages to women based not on whether or not the customer finds them attractive, but just because they have a vagina. Is that right? Tell me again how this isn’t a disaster waiting to happen? Let’s picture the awkward conversations and possible drama that ensues when a bunch of women the client finds unattractive reply to these emails. Talk about frustrating. But hey, if the woman is getting frustrated, who cares? Vaginas don’t have feelings!

From their website:

Online Dating sites are designed to cater to women and frustrate men.

Boobs, amirite guys? Yes. It’s all a conspiracy! The womenz are eeevil. I’m not sure which is more reprehensible, that tag line or the black and white photo of the obviously under-aged model glammed up to look adult. Sadly, we all know that there are men out there who will rush to this site. Who is the target demographic for SpamHerClam? The “nice” guys. The whiny dudes. The, let’s just say it, less attractive men. Yes, let’s feed into the misconception that online dating is so! hard! for men. Bitch, please. Try being a woman over 35 on these sites. Then come crying to me about what a rough go of it you have. Online dating is hard for everybody. A person is lucky to send out 10 messages and get 2 to 3 responses. That’s higher than average.

Do women really respond to these messages? SHC’s answer:

Yes, they do, so long as it’s a good message. Sending an overly long, detailed, and personalized message actually comes off as desperate to most women.

Wrong! Wrong wrong wrong. People respond if you’re attractive. Or they respond just to get more attention. That doesn’t mean they are interested in you. What this service will do will get you more frustration. Not dates. Pay close attention to the verbage of sites like this. They aren’t promising more dates. Just more responses.I could send out 20 emails to guys on OKCupid that say, “Hey, I think you and I used to work together.” Guess how many guys will respond?  Like, all of them. There. I just saved you money, bro. You’re welcome. At least you won’t be getting responses from women you don’t find attractive and have to deal with the possible landmines that come from conversations like that.

The problem isn’t how shallow people are, it’s the unreasonable expectations and self-perceptions that many people bring to online dating. When you identify and accept what you can feasibly attract, and you focus on the people who show interest in you rather than throwing a bunch of darts in the dark, you’ll have an easier time of it. Nobody owes you a response or an acknowledgement of the hard work and effort you put into an introductory email.

Despite what your brahs tell you, guys, not all women on these sites just want attention. The only people who make such claims are the ones who go for people way, way out of their league and get no response. They blame the opposite sex because that’s easier than saying admitting that they aren’t as attractive or youthful or interesting as they think.

Photo Credit – Spam Her Clam website

 

DISCLAIMER: I did not receive payment or any kind of reimbursement/discount of services for writing this post.

 

 

 

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Are City Singles More Attractive Than Suburb Singles?

Name: Chris
City: Nutley
State: NJ
Comment: Any ideas on how to meet single girls in the suburbs? I don’t meet anyone through my job and the people I meet in the different activities I try, like co-ed sports, are already in a relationship. Then the only ones who are interested in me on the dating websites are the overweight women – which is the exact opposite of me. I’m athletic and active. Also, I’m white, and it seems like women of other races are interested in me, but white women are not. I don’t get it.
Age: 35

 

My opinion is that, if you can’t find anybody online that you want to date, you’re probably not going to find them offline, either. When you use online dating you are literally surrounded by single, eligible people. If you go to a bar or a sports group or some other activity that isn’t singles related, you have no idea who is available. With online dating, you do. If you can’t manage to find or attract anybody to your liking when you’re online, there’s a disconnect. It all comes down to perception. If you go around thinking that there’s nobody out there to your liking, you probably won’t ever find them. So the first thing you need to do is change your attitude.

Then the only ones who are interested in me on the dating websites are the overweight women – which is the exact opposite of me.

When you say overweight, what exactly do you mean? Like, severely overweight or, like, 10 or 20 pounds overweight? Because if you’re one of those people who refuses to date someone even slightly overweight, you should really just stay home. You should also take a reality pill. Unless you are objectively hot, you don’t get to insist upon only dating women of a certain body type. If you can’t manage to meet or find anybody to you liking anywhere, you’re either too picky or not as attractive/engaging as you think. It’s that simple. Someone slightly over weight (to you) can still be quite healthy and fit. I’m a size 10. I probably weigh about 155-160 pounds. I do intervals/run 3-4 times a week and, for the most part, stick to a diet of 1400 calories a day. I’ve had doctors comment on my immune system, my heart and my lungs. I have great skin and hair. Someone not a size 4 or 6 can be fit and healthy. Some people just don’t have the genetic make up that allows them to be a smaller size. Please don’t say that women with some extra weight aren’t healthy and that’s why you won’t date them, as fitness is really important to you, because that’s crap. You want a thin woman. That’s fine. You’re allowed to have your type. Just don’t justify it with a bunch of BS.   Also? Based on your other admission about never hearing from white women, you just might be a tad ignorant. Preferring to date someone of a certain race is one thing. Expressing it as you did is another.  That is suburbanite simplicity at work. I’ve said this many times before, the City Single mentality is very different from the Suburb Single mentality. There is a simpleness to people that live in suburbs that people who live in cities simply can not jibe with.

The slender and in shape women you seek? They’re going for guys in Manhattan. And they’re getting them. They’re not looking for Suburb Guy. They want City Guy. I’m going to throw this little theory out there. I think City Singles are more attractive mentally and physically than Suburb Singles.  City Singles are more concerned with their looks because they are surrounded by other attractive people. Walking down the street in a major city is a constant reminder that there is always someone younger, richer and hotter. Hence why people in the city tend to pay more attention to the external. We are always being exposed to what else is out there and are starkly aware of who our competition is.

If meeting someone fit and active is important to you, then you have to create a dating profile that makes that clear. You need to discuss, without going over board, how you stay active and healthy. You should post pictures of you involved in activities or outdoors. You’re never going to be able to prevent people who aren’t your type from contacting you. You have to just accept that pretty much everybody online thinks they’re better looking than they are or are willing to throw a bunch of darts at a dartboard. That’s online dating. If you can invent a filter that will stop messages from people you don’t find attractive from hitting your inbox, email me. Until then, you just have to accept that online dating involves slogging through a lot of people that don’t interest you. There is no avoiding that.

I would not make any kind of statement in your profile about only wishing to meet women of a certain race or ethnicity. That makes you sound ignorant and possibly racist. Same goes for including a disclaimer in your profile that you only wish to hear from petite/slender/slim women. You’ll end up turning off a large majority of the people you wish to meet.

Chris, if you only wish to date slender women, my suggestion to you is to look towards Manhattan.I believe you are more likely to meet a slender, fit and active women in Manhattan than you will in Nutley, New Jersey. Go ahead. Flame me and call me an elitist. You’ll hardly be the first.

As for why so many women of color contact you, I’ll leave that up to women and men who fall in to that category to offer insights.

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Dealing With The Passive Aggressive Email Dater

 

When is it okay to say something about how long it takes for a guy to respond to a text or email? I’ve been out with the guy in question twice. He sometimes takes a whole day (as in 24 hrs) to reply to emails. – Georgia, 38, NYC

 

I’d need a little more to go on here. In general, I find a long lapse in response to an email to be a not so good sign. There’s just no excuse for someone to not be able to reply to a message within a few hours at least. I can’t stand when people say that they’re “so busy!” and that’s why they haven’t sent a response. Orly? That busy? Wow. You’re so important! I’ll just sit here eagerly awaiting your response while you carve out the 38 seconds it would take to write a reply.

There’s usually an underlying message to the lack of a message. They’re trying to tell you something without telling you while probably trying to maintain their image as a “good person.” They’re hoping you get the hint and go away quietly.

Passive aggression. I hate it. I hate it more than I hate Facebook status updates about what someone had for lunch.

The most frustrating part of being on the receiving end of that behavior is that if you speak up and say anything, it just gets worse. You become the “crazy” one. You’re not sympathetic to their situation. You’re selfish.

The lapse in response time and disappearing during a conversation is done to create a sense of urgency and incite confusion and insecurity. It’s often a power play, and it’s really, really destructive to someone’s self-esteem. It’s especially unhealthy if, like me, you’re confrontational. I only had to be involved with one passive aggressive guy to learn very quickly that a relationship with someone like that will not end well for me. It just becomes this ongoing pissing contest.

The true sign of passive aggression is that when a person is called on it they will respond with something particularly hurtful. The goal in such cases is to subdue you. You’re on to them, they know it, and now they feel trapped. Ignore whatever it is that they say. Remember, it’s said with the intention of slicing your psychological Achilles heel. They’ll identify your weakness and exploit it to your advantage. Especially if you’ve constructed a well informed argument. That’s why I hate to see you or anybody else put yourself in a vulnerable position so early in the game. Some things men and women just have to suck up for a bit until there’s a genuine comfort level.

My honest advice to you is to stop contacting this guy all together. By not replying in a timely fashion, he’s telling you where you fall on the priority list. That’s not to imply that you should be high a top the list after two dates. That’s an unreasonable expectation. However, if he was genuinely interested in keeping you around in some way he’d at least do I what I refer to as “investing.” Investing can take many forms. It can be the weekly text from someone you met online, sent “just to say hi”, but never leads to setting up an actual date. It can be a few word response to an email you sent. Investing involves making the bare minimum of effort just to maintain a line of communication and contact.

At best, I would think this guy is moderately interested. I’d suggest sitting back and waiting to see if he follows up with you at some point. In the interim, hop online or go out and meet other people.

 

 

 

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Just Because He Sleeps With You Doesn’t Mean He Finds You Attractive

So, the other night on Girls, Lena Dunham had sex with Patrick Wilson and the internet’s head exploded.

I wrote a comment in response to the above linked article that I’ll post here:

I think the true distinction here is what men and women will consider attractive for sex and what men and women consider attractive in general. It sounds awful, but I really think that’s an important factor that many of these pieces about this episode are missing. Would a guy who looks like Wilson have sex with a girl who looks like Dunham? Would a woman like Dunham have sex with Wilson? Sure. All that “proves” is that they each find each other attractive “enough.” I think this is more situational than anything else. That’s why I get uncomfortable when people start saying how they, despite having characteristics that some people have decided are not objectively “hot” , start pointing to instances of their sex with “hot” people as though that proves something.

I guess I’m uneasy with saying to people, “Hey, fuck them. There are plenty of men or women who will throw you a bone if they’re desperate.” Am I supposed to be happy about that?

More from the piece:

Couples are “mismatched” because these boundaries, these “leagues” are made up by society and easily crossed. Anybody can have sex with anybody else! And they do, all the time! Just not on TV. – From the XOJane article

We’ve discussed the ides of leagues here. I’ve said many times that I do believe that leagues exist. Yes, there are anomalies. Of course. There always are.  But no matter how many times “society” tells me how hot Liam Hemsworth is, I’m still going to find him twee.  I do think some people let the media decide what is to be considered attractive. For the most part, though, I think that is a determination we come to all on our own. There are various criteria and characteristics that can make someone attractive. We’re all programmed differently in that regard. I like British accents. A British accent can make an other wise average looking guy hot to me. That doesn’t mean that all British men are attractive or will be found attractive by a large segment of the population. Sex, or more specifically the ability to have it with someone else, doesn’t prove attraction or desirability. It really only supports the fact that those two people wanted to have sex. I happen to think that, many times, the need for intense or even moderate attraction can be secondary.

Do I believe that it’s common for men who look like Patrick Wilson to sleep with women who look like Lena Dunham? It depends. Common in the sense that these men would carry on long term relationships with them? No I don’t. Common in the sense that they’d have sex with them? Yes. But what does that prove and why should we be happy about that or using it as a defense?

What made me most uncomfortable with the XOJane article was the idea that being able to bang a “hot” person somehow disproves the principles of attraction and existence of leagues. That’s giving the “hot” people a lot of power. So, if someone “hot” sleeps with me, that means that I can ignore all the other rejections and criticisms? You know, because that person was “hot” and therefore their opinion matters more? They’re not Knighting me. They’re f**king me. That’s not a declaration of anything and it’s certainly not an accomplishment.

Aside from being sexist and sizeist and just plain fucking rude, this idea that you have to have a thin, perfect body and the face of a model in order to be sexually attractive is just patently untrue. – From the XOJane article

I agree with this. However, the salient point being glossed over is attractive to whom? I know someone mentioned it in the articles recently, but this is a one-sided take on something that is two-sided. That’s another point I take issue with. Like someone here said, women can’t decide for men what they should find attractive. Nor should they make sweeping statements that completely remove or exclude a man’s input on the subject just for a few rounds of “You go girl!”

Read the article and tell me what you think.

Photo credit – XOJane

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Dating Mistake #768 – I Won’t Sleep With You Because I Like You

If there is anything that can make a woman chum to hungry male sharks, it’s saying this:

“I’m not going to sleep with you on the first date because I really like you.”

This does not compute in the mind’s of most men. It’s one thing to internally decide that you’re not going to sleep with someone yet. It’s entirely another to vocalize that particular thought process. Once a woman does that she has almost certainly sealed her fate.

The implication of the statement is quite clear. “I just need to get past the first date so you don’t think I’m a slut.” By uttering this statement you are telling the man that you’re totally going to have sex with him. Like, totally. Just not that night. Most men know that that means second date sex is almost a given. So they’ll wait a couple days. It won’t kill them. Only the men who never get laid, only want to get laid or guys with really fragile egos will bail completely. So, in a sense, this can be a decent filter. But it’s no where near fool proof. The guys who wait likely have options anyway, which is why holding off one more date for a handy won’t break them.

The greater issue with a statement like this is what it reveals about the woman’s history and pathology. A comment like this completely tears down any mystique the woman may have built. With that one sentence she’s telling a man that she dates by other people’s rules, probably is too dependent on the validation of her girlfriends and made some bad choices.

As I read this article this morning I was reminded of the importance of mystique. In Part 1 of the story, the author took the guy back to her apartment and started to hook up with him. When he reached for the top button of her pants she stopped him and said that if she didn’t think she could date him she’d totally have sex with him.

When he tried to unbutton my pants, I stopped him and said, “I’m not going to fuck you after a fucking writing advice non-date,” I said, but I totally wanted to. But I didn’t. Isn’t that a nice story.

“If I didn’t think we could actually date, I would probably fuck you,” I added, because that makes sense.

Physically it felt different than it’s felt in a while. I didn’t want to play any stupid role or act out any bullshit, I just liked him. Like in an I-could-see-myself-dating-this-dude way.

If the goal is to make guys think “you aren’t like that” then telling a guy you aren’t like that defeats the purpose of making the statement in the first place. After dating for a little while men know to interpret this declaration as, “I’m totally going to sleep with you by date 3. Just be patient.”

And with that, any power the woman thought she had disappears. She also makes herself vulnerable because, by admitting to this, she’s telling the guy that she’s afraid he’ll judge her or pump and dump her. While admitting to fears and insecurities can help build and enhance intimacy, this is the kind of vulnerability that makes you a mark.

To be clear, because I know many women who read this take these sort of posts as encouragement to have sex on the first date, it’s not the decision not to have sex that is the problem. The problem is verbalizing and justifying your decision. By doing so, a woman relinquishes any control she may have had.

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Lies Your Girlfriends Tell You About Men

Can you please write a post on this idea that “He got scared…” is the reason why two people aren’t together?  If I hear from one more girlfriend that such and such didn’t work out because “he got scared” I’m going to scream. Where is this coming from?! Who branded that phrase and handed it to women everywhere?  It’s dumb. – Kierstin

There is a long list of what I like to call Dating Myths that are perpetuated throughout the years by women. For the most part, these lies are repeated to spare feelings or serve to validate the delusions of the women saying them. Take an hour or so to cruise your Facebook page on any given day and you’ll stumble across several of these fictional explanations. Such as:

 

Maybe he got scared – At some point, some woman read a trashy romance novel or watched some sudsy afternoon serial and saw a male character cower when faced with true love. Things got too “real.” He wasn’t ready. He’s been hurt before. Lies, lies, lies..yeah. Men don’t shy away from a great relationship because things got too close for comfort. They do, however, back off when they feel the woman is getting too serious and they don’t return the interest. Men aren’t afraid of their feelings. What they fear is how women interpret their feelings and express their own.

He’s a player - We discussed this yesterday. Women throw around the word player to shame any man who refuses to commit to her. Mind you, in the majority of these cases, the guy all but came with a warning label with a skull and cross bones on it that declared him bad news.

He just wanted sex - If a man disappears after 3 dates and no booty, he just wanted sex. If he disappears after 3 dates and he did get laid, he just wanted sex. What you don’t hear about when these particular stories are told is how egregiously difficult/insufferable/humorless/all around unlikeable the woman was. Sure, there are some cases when the guy was never sincere and piled it on in the hopes of getting laid. But regardless of what your gal pals tell you, these guys are not as common as you think. More often than not, they just decide they aren’t interested.

Maybe he didn’t get your email/text/voicemail -He did. Trust me. He did. He wasn’t sick, out of town, busy at work or in a no signal area. He just wasn’t interested. Your friends want you to follow up again just to make sure you look totally obsessive and crazy. That way they can feel better about blowing up that one guy’s phone they met on Jdate that time.

He was intimidated by you - Nope. Not true in most cases. He just wasn’t interested in taking things further or seeing you again. You weren’t too smart for him or too successful or too assertive. He. just. wasn’t.interested.

If he was really interested in you, he would have contacted you – In theory, this makes sense. But let’s role play, shall we? Guy asks woman out, pays for everything, follows up next day and sets another date. Again, he pays for everything and she doesn’t even pretend to want to contribute. Kiss on the cheek good night. Turns down invite to go back to his place. He’s thinking she’s not all that interested. He moves on. Ball is in your court. Your friends will tell you not to call him. Why? Because that one time they did that it didn’t work for them. Or because they believe the guy should do all the heavy lifting until he proves he’s worthy. And that’s why they’re single. In these scenarios, the man is waiting for the woman to take some initiative.

When I met Mr. XYZ, he did everything right/Everything just clicked - Everything? Unlikely. It’s important to remember, as harsh as this might sound, there are just some people who don’t have a hell of a lot of options so they try harder. Oh, your handsome gentleman caller of 4 weeks brought you a book you mentioned in passing on your first date? How quaint and not at all awkward or unsettling. No no. That’s totally normal and healthy that you two established such a bond so quickly. Really. Whenever you hear these stories from women about how they snagged their guy, consider the source and consider their options.

He’s a coward/pussy/weak/lazy - More like he’s just not as invested or interested as you are, or possibly not at all. He’s not going to tell you that, because he either wishes to keep you in his break in case of emergency booty file or because he actually is a decent guy and doesn’t want to hurt your feelings. No, you don’t want him to be honest. I can almost guarantee you that the real reason he never asked you out again was because he wasn’t attracted to you enough or found you unpleasant or boring.

Never settle - Translation: Be alone like me so I have someone to hang out with or call and complain to because all my other friends have extricated me from their lives for being a downer. The women who cling to this one are the same ones who won’t go out with men because of the way they ordered food on a date. They’re uber-picky and have absolutely no right to be so. What’s funny is that men who never settle are called, you guessed it, players.

You can do better – Ehh…that’s debateable. If you could, you probably would. Maybe you could do better. You just don’t want to do better.

 

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