Red Flags Are Red Flags For a Reason

Name: NYCgirl
Comment: Hey guys, so I have a little dilemma with a guy I’ve been seeing. I met him back in July  after hanging out for a weekend with mutual friends we exchanged numbers  started talking via the phone. I went to friend request him on FB  as I was on his page I noticed he had a girlfriend listed. So I didnt say anything to him at first ( I didnt want to seem like a stalker or as if I was playing CIA spy). Being that its FB  he could of very well not updated his profile in some time I let it go. I told a friend of mine about what happened  she asked me to check his instagram page. I am not one for snooping around but I was curious to see if he indeed had a GF  maybe he was just trying to get into my pants.(I have been burned many times before so my guard is up at all times.) SO with the help of my friend we found his IG page  saw pictures of him  the same girl from FB posted from 2 weeks ago. Now I had already asked him if he was single  he told me yes. After finding all this out I decided to proceed with our first dinner date we had planned. I asked him again, over dinner, to his face, if he was single. “Yes I am” he replied. I kept him around for another week seeing if he would come clean after speaking everyday  he still claimed to be “single”. Finally I called him out on it. He claimed I was playing detective  had no idea what was going on.I never spoke to him after that. Later on I found out from a mutual friend that at the time he met me he was on a “break” w his current GF. They had got into a fight thursday night  he went out friday to “clear his mind”  thats when he met me. So now its December  thru the same mutual friends I see him at a party. He pulls me aside  apologizes to me saying he was sorry  blah blah Me being nice I decided to give him the benefit of the doubt  I decide to give him one more shot. We hit things off right away. He takes me to great restaurants, movies, etc. However I have caught him in a couple white lies that has me thinking. For example, he lied to me about when the last time he sold drugs was. ( He was an ex-dealer  claimed he last sold in 2008) when in fact it was in 2011. Then he lied to me about why he had lost his drivers license  didnt get a new one. We have been dating since December  we already went to Miami together in late January. I thought this was too soon but being that our mutual friends were going also I decided ok. (I would of not gone just me  him so soon) He also talks about marriage  kids  meeting his family  I think hes moving too fast. I sometimes feel like hes trying to “trap me”, I am 30 years old, a registered nurse , I have my own place  make my own money. Hes 28, lives at home  works for his fathers company, so the fact that he wanted to make me his gf after less than 2 months of dating I find a little weird. I would appreciate any input. Thank you!
Age: 30
City: NYC
State: NY

 

Hes 28, lives at home  works for his fathers company, so the fact that he wanted to make me his gf after less than 2 months of dating I find a little weird.

That’s what you find weird? That is probably the least concerning aspect of this story.

Here’s the narrative going on in your head:

You’re a woman who has had a lot of bad luck in love. You have your guard up, have  a hard time trusting men, etc. You are not the type of person to snoop or do any kind of unnecessary recon work on the men you meet. You’re a nice person which is why you give people who lie to you a second chance.

Here’s the reality:

You’re attracted to bad boys. Your guard isn’t up. You trust pretty easily, and usually trust the wrong person. Saying that your guard is up and citing all your past disappointments is supposed to make people feel sorry for you and sympathize for you rather than suggest you have really bad taste in men and are probably a little desperate.

Here’s my take on this:

This guy is a drug dealer with a criminal record. A record you found when you weren’t playing detective. He’s anxious to get out of his parent’s house, so he’s trying to get you all buttered up so you’ll take him in. You clearly don’t trust him and never have. Yet you continued to date him despite having caught him in numerous lies. You’re not concerned that he wasn’t to make you his girlfriend. You’re not unsettled by how quickly he appears to be moving. You’re unnerved because you know he has an agenda.

He accused you of playing Nancy Drew when you confronted him with a lie because he knew he was caught. Remember what I said a few weeks ago about paying attention to how someone reacts when you criticize them. If they turn it around on you, they know the accusation is true to some degree and are trying to change the subject and make their accuser feel insecure.

The only reason he profusely apologized that night at that party in December was because he knew he needed someone else to suck off of as he continued his shiftless life. Lucky for him that you’re so easily impressed.

I’m not sure what you’re looking for here. You admit you’ve caught him in multiple lies. You know his life isn’t terribly stable and that he has dabbled in illegal activities. You continued to date him despite all of this. So what is it that you want to hear? That he’s shady? You know that. It’s not that you think he’s moving too fast. It’s that you want to believe that it’s all real and don’t want to be played for a fool. Again. Oh wait. Again again.

He is trying to trap you. Walk away. Eventually this guy is going to sucker you into taking on the burden that is him. You have your own life, reputation, career and financial situation to consider. This guy will slowly begin to creep into all of these areas of your life and ruin them.

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Now *This* Is a Creepy Guy

Name: Roberto
Age: 42
State: NY
Question: I met a woman online whose pictures showed her having large breasts, and  she looked like she had a healthy attitude to sex.  After swapping a few emails, I invited her out to an Italian restaurant I used to go to.

The morning of our date I texted her a more accurate picture of myself, and I confirmed the time of the date.  She just said see you later, so I thought everything was fine.

When we met she was wearing a shirt and jacket that obscured my view of her breasts.  She was a black but did not have a nice big booty like the girls on MTV.  I was disappointed in her body appearance so I took her to a bar instead.

She was stuck up and boring.  For example she asked for a diet coke but I ordered us a bottle of wine to loosen her up.  She was ungreatful and just took sips.  I didn’t like her personality because she was evasive, like when I asked about the investment bank she worked at, she gave short answers then said she was more interested in  talking about me than her job.

She pretended to be sympathetic about when I lost my job because my bank went bust but she wouldn’t say whether the bank she worked for were hiring or not.  She just said she didn’t know.

So i thought i would ask more general questions, like what her favourite position was and she starts talking about what a nice bar it was. I asked her later if she liked it doggy style and she ignored my question and talked about some other nonsense.

When i judged she was no good for getting me a job or a one night stand, I did the only alpha thing I could and touched her big breast and she got up and walked out.  Right in the middle of me telling her I was only joking and she wasted the wine I bought her.

I recently tracked her down and found out she’s a team leader, which means she could have hired me if she really wanted.

Since finding out she is in a high position she doesn’t deserve, I have been unable to sleep.   I can’t get a break back into banking and my savings are fading fast.  She was my best chance and now she won’t even take my calls.  I cant stop thinking about her scamming me and dumping me.  Should I send her an invoice for the wine and my waste time?  How can I strike back?

 

Rather than answer this, I want to take a poll of the reading audience. How many people think this is letter is real? Take the Poll, kids! Share your thoughts as to why you think it’s real or fake below. You can even answer his question if ya like!

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Photo credit – Jezebel. Interesting article that accompanied this pic, too.

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To Catch a Douchebag

Another story submitted by the woman from this post.

I found the article above to be very enlightening.  This week end I encountered a guy I  had fling with 10 years ago when I was new and very confused new single Mom.  It was fun to see him and the chemistry was still there.  The chemistry fizzled when one of his friends happen to mention to my friends that he is currently married.  He wanted to continue the weekend romp but I said no.  I have boundaries about sex  with married men.

This guy is a real snake.  I left a party to take my friends to another location.  I planned to return to him to continue the conversation and then I learned about his status.  I asked him if he was married in a text…….he said….”yes…3x and 14 kids….I could not get  a straight answer….so I googled him and saw a woman’s name on his address listing……I asked about her and he claimed it was his niece…..I told him that he did not have a 45 year old niece and that he was totally busted.  I am certain that he is worried that I will notify his wife  but that is not happening since I have put this drama behind me.

Truth be told he had a very teeny willy and a self absorbed out look that made him bad relationship material.   NEXT!!!!!!!    and keep on going out with friends who vet your prospective dates and of course…..google like crazy!  Dodged a bullet!

 

Um..congrats that you met another loser? At what point are we allowed to wonder what makes you such a douchebag magnet?

Your sleuthing skills aren’t terribly impressive. You’re uncovering information that these men likely KNOW is out there. You don’t seem to be making one very important connection with all these situations. That would be that these men think so little of you that they don’t care what you find out. They don’t care enough about you to even lie. That’s how insignificant you are to these men.

Instead if connecting those dots, you’re cruising Google and “vetting’ these men, oblivious to the fact that they don’t care why you find out about them. You’re also clueless to the impression that you make simply by crowing about this and telling these stories over and over again. I can assure you that your friends all laugh and tell you how super smart you are, and then go home and get on the phone and discuss why they believe you’re such a mark for these men.

Here’s the truth. Sleazy, unsavory men like this almost exclusively work women they think are desperate, lonely or stupid. The upside is that those women are also usually unstable to some degree and end up making their lives uncomfortable or unpleasant.  You’ll rarely see some objectively really attractive and stable woman sitting in one of those seminars that teach women how to properly vet their dates. What you will see is a collective of frumpy and/or middle aged women with permanent frowns sitting in a room all thinking they’re so much smarter than the next poor sap sitting beside them. They think they’re empowering themselves by taking some class on how to find out where their dates went to school or how much they pay in rent. They’d be better off working with  good therapist in order to help them fix whatever it is about their self-esteem or perception of reality that leads them to be prey for these men. But no. That would be a waste of money. Women refuse to see the connection between their looks/age and the guy’s shady character. You Google and Facebook Friend men like this because you want to see the competition and you want to know why a guy like that wants a woman like you. You don’t trust that their interest is sincere BECAUSE IT USUALLY ISN’T.

You didn’t catch him. He doesn’t care. This guy is not scared you’ll tell his wife. Know why? SHE ALREADY KNOWS WHAT AN ASSHOLE HE IS. Seriously…do you really think that you, with all your scary Nancy Drew tactics, figured something out that a woman who MARRIED him doesn’t already know?

The real tragedy in all of this is the amount of time you appear to invest in Googling and engaging losers like this instead of meeting a decent man! You’re too busy reading articles and blogs and playing Sherlock Holmes to even meet a good guy.

You can say Next!!!! all you like. Wow. Congrats. You’re NOT going out with an obvious asshole. You think you’re setting yourself apart from other women, but really you’re merely making a lateral move. Here’s why: you still manage to indulge and attract these idiots. These guys LOVE to know that some random woman they met at a party sat at her computer and scoured Google in an attempt to learn more about him. Do you see? THEY LIKE IT.

Have women become so desperate for male attention and to prove to other women how desirable they are that they willingly put themselves in precarious and tedious situations like this?  Seriously, ladies, what are you hoping to prove and to whom? These stories that we hear all over the blogosphere aren’t just written out of pride for catching some douche in the act. They’re written to brag about catching their attention in the first place.

 

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Full Disclosure: How Much Is Too Much or Too Little?

Private Man recently emailed me and asked for feedback on a reader question.  Here’s the scenario:

A man met a woman online and arranged a date. In the hours before the arranged meet up, the woman asked the man for his last name. She explicitly told him that she was asking so she could Google him. The guy said he felt freaked out, but gave her his last name anyway.

He wanted to know what the real reason was for the woman’s admission and request and how to circumvent this issue in the future.

In my mind, there’s the “real” reason and the real reason why she would want his last name.

The “real” reason, of course, is to Google the guy and do a little re-con work. The “real” reason, in my opinion, was to force familiarity with the guy and attempt to take a power position in the relationship. It’s another test. If he gives her his last name, then he “really” likes and trusts her. Whatever info she can gather is just a bonus. Most people Google their dates. (I don’t. I find it futile.) Fewer people actually tell someone that they are going to do so.

Someone who tells you that they will Google you is no different than the person who tells you they won’t sleep with you on a first date. They’re looking for  specific reaction. If a woman tells a man she’s not going to sleep with him, she wants to see how he’s going to respond. In her mind, if he stops showing interest in her then he was just looking to get laid.  Same goes for a woman who announces to a guy that she’s going to Google him. It’s an ineffective test women use to gauge just how sincere someone is. (Yes, I know. “Safety shamer!”) As with most tests, all it does is provide someone with a false sense of security. And what happens when you function under a false sense of security? You get bamboozled. Ironic, right?

The more something becomes less common or obsolete, like calling someone to ask them out, the more important certain people want it. Fewer people are handing out their last names to their online dates. So, of course, more people are now insisting upon that information before setting up a date. It’s another way for them to prove to themselves that this person is sincere and genuinely interested. Don’t take it personally that someone doesn’t welcome you into their online home before they have a date or two under their belt. Most people offer the information if asked. Just understand that by asking for specific information, people will assume you are using it for one thing. Most people won’t care. That is, unless you tell them outright what you’re doing. That’s when people get unsettled. Not because they fear you’ll uncover some deep dark secret but because nobody likes knowing that someone is Google/Facebook Creeping them. My friend has an appropriate analogy for this situation.

It is like worrying that ghosts are watching you while you sleep.  It’s a problem of your own imagination.

Accept that people do it and that we are now in a sate of a “new” normal in this regard. As I’ve said before, I think the whole concept of doing research on a date or someone you’re dating to be unnecessary. Creeping on someone like a new date or an Ex, as long as it stays within the lines, is only destructive to the person doing the creeping. Accept that it’s not atypical and just be mindful of it and let it go. We’re all mini-celebrities now. People like to watch and judge and analyze. That’s just how it is now.

You do a background check on someone you’re going to marry or somehow tie yourself to legally or financially. You don’t do background checks on people you’re just dating. If you sense someone is lying or not who they say they are, walk away. That’s it. You ask them questions, you pay attention to inconsistencies and you don’t ignore your gut. It’s very simple. These horror stories we hear about scam artists and predators almost always involve glaring red flags that people overlooked or ignored. Yes, there are the cases here and there where someone ended up being a sociopath and doing serious mental and physical harm. But those cases are the exceptions to the rule and not the rule. A sociopath can and will sneak under the radar, undetectable by even a background check. Google will not protect you from those people.

To answer the query about how to navigate this type of request before meeting someone, I’m not really sure you can. If you tell someone you don’t want to give out specific info, you’ll look like you’re hiding something. If someone isn’t satisfied with the fact that you’ve given them your phone number before meeting, my guess is that person might have some trust issues and therefore end up being a handful. It’s best to disengage right then. If you really like them, then give them the additional details they request.  The fact that someone is asking you for more info should tell you one thing: they don’t trust you. Maybe they’ve been burnt in the past or maybe they’re just really needy or maybe there is something about your behavior that is tripping off an internal wire somewhere. Who knows? Only you can decide if that person is worth getting to know. If you are someone who is hyper-private or Google-averse, I have to say that online dating probably isn’t a great way to meet people.  So either accept that this is now the new normal or stop dating.

Giving a phone number or email address alone is usually enough to give the person all the info they need to hit up Google.  This is why I think the woman’s request was a red herring. She had his number. All she had to do was do  reverse look up of that to get his last name. She wasn’t afraid he was going to abduct her or con her out of cash. She just wanted to see what he’d say so she could tell herself she stood out from his other options.

 

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Beware The Man Who Commits Too Soon – Part Trois

See Parts One and Two here.

Here’s the latest installation of this story:

Thanks for the feedback. It turned out that last week some woman (he swears he doesnt know) has been emailing many of his friends and myself as some sort of obssesion and revenge saying she hates him because he offered to take her out for dinner and on vacations and she feels he lied to her and that she found out hes married. ??? The way she wrote she sounded like a lunatic. I got pretty upset at first but he said he doesnt even know her. The next day he got me roses. Since crazy woman emailed a bunch of his contacts, he posted an apology to everyone on his wall. Next day he posted a picture of us and some of his friends commented that they finally see who he had been talking about and glad to finally see me. We see each other every other day pretty much and whole weekends so theres no need to interact much on facebook but I admit I was happy to have him acknowledge me on his facebook as stupid as it sounds. – Carina

 

I’m going to do my best Whoopi Goldberg/Rita Mae Brown impression here.

Carina…you in danger, girl.

Having some random woman contact you and tell you that this guy is a fraudster should be given at least a modicum of consideration. She knows something.

If he doesn’t know her, how did she know how to find you? Remember, he wasn’t making your relationship public. His close friends didn’t even know who you were. So how did she know? Carina, he obviously knows this woman. To say he doesn’t is a bold-faced lie. You shouldn’t be overlooking that just because he bought you flowers and caved and posted a photo of you on his Facebook page. He only did that because he had been caught. Not because he wanted to.

Since crazy woman emailed a bunch of his contacts, he posted an apology to everyone on his wall.

Again, he did this for your benefit. (Or hers.) Why would anybody use their Facebook page to announce something like this?? That’s something you address privately. Hon, he wouldn’t even acknowledge YOU publicly. Why make this public to people, especially possible business contacts?

If he had told you “sorry, that’s some psycho I dated once that stalks me,” I would be less worried.   Even if that was a lie, at least it’s a credible one.- DMN

He obviously knows who she is, and he’s covering his ass. He’s certainly not protecting you from said “crazy woman.” Guys who attract “crazy women” are usually crazy themselves. The fact is that you don’t know what he’s doing when he’s not with you. Wasn’t he just away for a couple weeks? Sounds to me like he met somebody while away and fed her the same BS he fed you. I mean, look at the two of you. She’s writing to his friends, you’re writing in here. You’re really not that different. This guy appears to make women very, very insecure. Or he is drawn to women prone to insecurity. Either way, none of this looks very good.

This guy is hiding something. I’ve said it from Day One. How can you not be at least a little bit curious about the married accusation?

Carina, something is up. You have to pull yourself out of this situation and look at it objectively. You are choosing to ignore the obvious because you don’t want to lose this guy.

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