Are You An Online Dating Debbie Downer?

Name: Matt
Age: 34
State: PA
Question: Hello, here’s my question, preceded by a bit of exposition. Back in 2011, after a particular failure dating-wise, several people suggested online dating. Having used match.com and lavalife in the past and not being especially enamored with their services, I was reticent. But people kept saying how good okcupid was, and it was free so I tried it. Nine months and zero dates later, I disabled my account.

Not wanting to succumb to cynicism, I tried joining eharmony; I got one of the infamous “REJECTED” messages.

In April, a facebook friend asked me out; I didn’t think I’d be interested, but I decided to try anyway. In July, she was pressuring me to go into a more romantic direction, and I wasn’t feeling it. Being in a relationship solely because of fear of loneliness isn’t my style, so I broke things off.

So, I reactivated my okc account. 3 months, no dates. I deleted my account.

Since then, I’ve checked some newer sites that connect through facebook, but no one’s really using those.

Basically, my faith in online dating is at a critically low level. Is there anyway to restore it?

 


 

Being in a relationship solely because of fear of loneliness isn’t my style, so I broke things off.

Or maybe you broke things off because, and I’m just spit balling here, you thrive off being some sort of real life Debbie Downer (DebbieDownerHorn2)when it comes to dating? Maybe you just prefer to continue on doing things exactly the way you’ve been doing because they result in failure, not in spite of it? Maybe you’re looking to blame anyone and everything else for why you have such trouble because you don’t want to fix the one and only thing over which you have any control?

I mean, come on. You’ve even set up your life in such a way to make dating that much more difficult by working the night shift. Granted, you probably don’t have much control over that and need to work. I understand. It’s like what DMN says: don’t do things that will make dating more difficult. Don’t get a dog. Don’t stop taking care of yourself. Don’t put a tattoo on your face. Subtract. Don’t add. If you work mostly at night, and you include that in your profile, that’s probably a leading cause to the lack of response you’re getting. Oh, something else killing your chances? If you mention your blog devoted to comic books. Yeah, that’s a lady boner killer, too. Dude, it sounds like you kind of thrive off of being undateable to some degree. The problem isn’t the medium you’re using. The problem is that you’re obviously not using the medium to your advantage or want to succeed.

Look at what you’re doing. You’re utilizing methods that have only proven failure to you. You “try” sites that don’t have a lot of people. You keep going back to OKC even though you don’t get any responses. You even left a relationship because you felt like you were settling or compromising or some other such nonsense.You are a prime example of someone who relies upon confirmation bias to shape and validate their perceptions about dating.

Dating is hard. Online dating especially. It takes effort and follow through and self-awareness and tolerance and a thick skin. Anything with such a frequent rejection rate does. But if you really want to make it work for you, you can. You just have to be willing to follow the guidelines, appropriate your expectations and accept your station.

You remind me of the women who email me asking to see photos of people registered for Speeddating events or who ask me if it’s worth their while. What they’re really requesting is that I convince them to attend. Which I don’t do because a) I don’t have to, as we sell out our female spots for every event and b) people like this are a nightmare to date. I employ all kinds of screening tactics and remove people from lists and groups if I feel they are bad daters.

Matt, it’s not my responsibility to convince you why or how online dating works. If you want to believe that it doesn’t work for you, then it never will. I happen to think online dating works. My success with it started when I appropriated my expectations, embraced my audience and stopped caring. I met a guy on OKC when I had the casual sex box checked and he asked me if I saw a future for us. Who knew? Instead of judging him or placing certain expectations on things, I just met him for a drink with an open mind. If you go into every dating endeavor thinking you have it all figured out or believing it won’t work, then expect to fail. This is why so many people struggle the way they do. They brace themselves for the #FAIL, which then becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. They have continued down the same path over and over again, choosing the wrong people or engaging in the same behavior and then are shocked – shocked I tell you! – when yet another relationship implodes or never materializes.

If you’re not having success meeting people online or off, then I’m not sure the problem is online dating. I’m thinking it’s you. Either there is something about you physically that is working against you, or you’re not projecting yourself the best way you can or your attitude is holding you back.

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Dear Ladies: Stop Pretending You Have Standards

I had a similar experience recently and agree with Moxie’s assessment. Went out on a first date with a guy, had a great time (he was actually better looking in person than he was in his photos, which rarely happens). For the second date, he texted me *asking to come over to my place* so that we could make dinner. I know, I know — I shouldn’t have done it and would never make the mistake again. I *should* have done what the OP did and say “let’s save it for later” and suggested that we go out again. Problem was, I genuinely enjoy having people over sometimes as opposed to going out (more relaxed, etc) and so I let that cloud my judgment. He came over, we had fun, but by the end of it I just sort of felt ambivalent about him (ie, “meh”).

That was on a Sunday. On Friday, he texted me something that kind of blew my mind a little bit. “Enjoyed your apartment. Would be willing to come over again one eve.”

As Moxie has so aptly put it in previous posts: “lady boner gone.” Previously, I would have sent back some sort of snarky text saying “Oh, thank God. I’m so glad you would be *willing* to come over to my apartment to eat my food and sleep with me.” But in the end, I just ignored it and moved on. A gentleman who was truly interested in a relationship would have said something like, “thank you so much for having me over for dinner – would love to go out again,” and would have *called* me rather than sending the text he did. I’m not sure whether he thought he was being cute/funny, but I didn’t find it to be either of those things. Once I didn’t respond to that text, he disappeared. Before, that would have bothered me, too — but at this point, I’ve just decided that I’ll wait for someone who’s a gentleman and who has a modicum of class/manners. Otherwise, it’s just not worth it. I hate being single, and I hate having to be on these sites at my age. But I’d rather be single and still looking than settle for someone who’s “willing” to come over to my apartment. Sigh. Next… – Avery

 

Forgive my delay on this. I’ve been a bit jammed up after taking several days off and dealing with some stuff back home in Boston.

Okay. Let me break this one down for you.

Woman abandons her standards for really good looking guy. Hilarity ensues.

I don’t buy for a moment that Avery accepted his brazen invitation over to his place because she likes to entertain. She accepted it because he was good looking and charming. Then she was offended that the man who rudely invited himself over to her place didn’t behave like a “true gentleman” and call her to thank her properly for the meal and sex.  His text message, which might as well have just said, “Hey. Thanks for the sex!”, offended her because the underlying message of that text made it abundantly clear that this guy didn’t want anything beyond casual sex/short term dating. She wasn’t offended by the medium in which he used to contact her. She was offended that he didn’t say something that implied he wanted more than just sex.

All of this could have been avoided had she acknowledged that this guy wasn’t a “true gentleman” from the get go when he invited himself over to her apartment for a meal. PS? What the hell is up with that?  Why couldn’t he just invite her over to his place? Red flag, ladies.

Avery didn’t feel ambivalent about this guy. After they had sex, she slowly realized that this guy wasn’t genuinely interested beyond casually sleeping together. That’s what bothered her. Women like to act like they’re the ones who lost interest, and I truly believe they believe that is the case, but I’d bet nine times out of ten they’re just looking to spare themselves the embarrassment of admitting they have been had.

If you want a guy with class and manners, don’t sleep with men who invite themselves over to your apartment for a second date. There. Easy peasy Japanesey. You can’t say you have standards and refuse to be treated like some bimbo they met in a bar and then justify letting a man do just that. The guy was good looking. There’s your answer for why all of this happened. He was good looking and interesting and charming and omigod grab on to his ankles before he gets loose! He’s one guy. You can spit and hit a man just like that at any given moment. Also stop thinking that you’re doing men a favor by “looking past the physical.” If you’re doing it, other women are doing it. If you find a man physically unappealing but are enamored with his charm and accomplishments, you’re still being shallow. Don’t break your arm patting yourself on the back.

If you want to have standards, have standards. But standards only prevent you from being used and abused if you stick to them consistently. The whole “I refuse to settle” argument is so flimsy and disingenuous. Avery, you did settle.You did. If you said that you weren’t willing to settle further, I’d agree with you. But you did settle. Stop listening to all your girlfriends who say not to change anything about yourself and to hold out for a guy who meets your expectations and who gives you the butterflies and whatevs. If you want a relationship you’re going to have to settle in some way. That’s it.

Sorry there’s no happy ending there. By 35 or so, if you’re still holding out for love and promises and commitment, you’re going to have to make some serious compromises.Either that or get very, very comfortable with the idea of not being in a serious relationship.

 

 

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Why Men Reveal Things On a Need To Know Basis

Here’s a great article I found via @LadySnarksAlot:

I am officially, unofficially implementing a new rule for coupled people everywhere. Please, please, please if you are spoken for, you must mention it within five minutes of having a flirty conversation with me.

That’s the opening line of this post over at The Frisky.

There are two problems here. First, in many cases, the person isn’t actually flirting with us. They’re just being friendly. This is an area where sexism really rears it’s ugly head. The premise here is that any man who dare speaks to a woman MUST be flirting with her. Because he’s a man. And that’s all men do. Flirt and think about sex. Of course, sometimes they are flirting with the woman. In which case the author has a valid point. Don’t dangle that carrot in front of our faces only to yank it away when we decide to take a bite. First of all, it’s embarrassing. The woman ends up feeling really foolish for batting her eyes and dreaming of what you and she will do for Labor Day Weekend. (Oh stop. You know you’ve done that.) It’s not a good feeling to sit there and have a great conversation with a guy and feel, even if it’s only in your head, that there’s a connection only to have him drop the “g” word. “My girlfriend and I…”  I will never forget the time, about 15 years ago, I was on the bus going to work. An attractive man sat down next to me and began to read the paper. I tried to chat him up. He was polite. Then he took off his left glove. Just the left one. For no reason. Gotcha. You’re married. I’ll stop flirting with you now.

Awkward.

Then again, it could be that men do things like this to avoid getting themselves into trouble.  They could be hoping that the woman will get the hint and back away before his fly unzips and his penis falls into her mouth.

The second problem about requiring the man to reveal his relationship status, at least for me, is the way it puts all the responsibility on the man to disclose his relationship status before the woman gets too invested. Here’s a thought. If you find yourself intrigued by someone…ask them if they have a girlfriend or if they’re married.

This goes back to the whole conversation we have over and over again about honesty and diplomacy.

“Why can’t he just tell me he’s not interested instead of pretending he is?”

Why? Because then he won’t get attention. Or laid. They’re only going to tell you what they believe you need to know. Not what you believe you need to know. It’s on you to ask the pertinent questions. There’s a chance he wasn’t pretending. It could be that he decided after the date or conversation that he wasn’t interested after all. It happens. Not everything is some scheme. Or there’s a chance he was just being polite and nice and making the best of a situation. Or he just wanted a casual hook up from the start.

A conversation with someone outside of your relationship is not considered cheating and it certainly doesn’t hurt anyone; however, there is an assumption that if you are getting into a long, intense, flirtatious conversation with someone of the opposite sex, you are assessing them as potential dating material.

I guess this is true if you assume that anybody with a penis or vagina that strings a few sentences together or is friendly to you must want to date you. If that’s the case then why are there so many tweets and dating blog posts and articles about “mixed signals.” Maybe the signals weren’t mixed? Maybe you just didn’t interpret them correctly? What we really need to do is to not invest so much so soon. There is a certain amount of detachment required to date successfully. You have to go into each scenario expecting very little other than a fun conversation and enjoyable evening out. That’s it.

It’s like all those dates people have where they say there’s this amazing connection and chemistry only to wait by their phone for a text or email. Maybe there really wasn’t that incredible connection? Maybe you were just projecting your hopes and dreams on some random person. Is that possible?

All I’m asking is for you to be above board and tell me about your fianceé before we start making eyes at each other. This ensures that I will be nothing but appropriate and I’ll expect the same in return from you. We can even be friends.

Why would you want to be friends with a guy who already has a significant other who was flirting with you? That one statement pretty much negates everything else the author said. Why the need to be friends with any guy that tells you – either overtly or otherwise – that he doesn’t want you or care about your feelings?

I guess what I disagree with most is how some women seem to prefer to take a passive role in their own love lives. If you want to know something, ask! Men are happy to oblige as long as the question is asked at the appropriate time and without judgment. O f course, this doesn’t mean they’ll tell you the truth. But at least you were proactive. That way, if he does turn out to be a liar, you won’t kick yourself or feel as stupid.Listen, some people are really good liars. Especially if they’re primary form of communication is email or texts. Don’t leave it up to the guy to protect your feelings. You need to do that.

Maybe some of this has to do with how readily available information is to us nowadays and how easy it is to get it. We’ve been conditioned to expect an answer to specific questions without making much effort. When those answers aren’t served up to us on a silver platter, our brains short circuit. They’re hiding something, they’re lying, they’re leading us on. We have to formulate an answer in our heads or else we’ll go crazy. We need that information before we can make another move. It’s as if we’ve forgotten how to wait and see.

Part of the reason why so many women get duped and dumped out of the blue is because they didn’t ask the right questions. The fact is that many men will absolutely tell you what you want to hear in order to get what they want. Don’t be afraid to challenge something a man tells you, especially if you pick up on an inconsistency.I’d bet in at least half of the cases where a woman asks a man a direct questions, he either trips himself up or reveals more than he should. By asking the question, you increase your chances of getting the answers you need to make an informed decision about him.

This man that you barely know is not likely to care what is best for you. He’s looking out for himself.

And so should you.

 

 

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