The #1 Red Flag That Your Date Is Bad News

Here’s an article from XOJane that I thought would make for interesting discussion.

In the story, the man and woman met online and are on their 2nd date. The first date goes really well. The second date, however, takes a bad turn. The guy is European, with the sexy accent to boot, who works on Wall Street. Not only does he literally tell her at the beginning of the 2nd date that he’s an asshole, but he also reveals that he and one of his Wall Street brahs committed a teensy bit of white collar crime and got slapped on the hand for it. The minute the writer revealed that the guy worked in finance and had an accent, I knew this wasn’t going to end well. In the same vein, as soon as she admitted that she has a thing for men with accents, I knew why she was in this situation. Most women, at one time or another, want to date their own personal James Bond. Guys with accents are exotic. (Date a few and you’ll realize how woefully unimpressive they really are.)

He willingly presents himself in a negative light by copping to fraudulent behavior. Do you know what that means? It means he doesn’t care what she thinks about him. There’s your #1 Red Flag that you’re on a date with a douche.

Similar red flags include:

1. Telling you he has a girlfriend but still tries to hook up with you

2. Admissions of cheating or other indiscretions that denote poor character.

3. Telling you that he’s not looking for anything serious but thinks you’d be great f*ck-buddy material.

On her part, she came off like less than a slice of heaven as well. Look, it’s a second date. A good general rule of thumb is to avoid conversations about politics, rape and murder. Jesus Christ. Have a drink, tell a knock knock joke, run your hand up his thigh and  flirt a little. But no. She felt compelled to show just how intellectual and well-informed she was instead of just dismissing his initial obnoxious comment. This guy was never going to concede, nor did he even care what her opinion was on the subject. He made an ignorant and obnoxious comment either to intentionally rile her up or to shut down the topic because he didn’t wish to discuss it.  She has mentioned that she self-identifies in her dating profile as a feminist. So there’s your explanation right there as to why he’d say something so arrogant. Maybe he was teasing her because he’s still 12 years old emotionally. Or maybe he sucks. Who knows. Polarizing topics don’t belong in a profile any more than they belong in conversation on the first few dates. He was clearly baiting her and she fell for it. That’s because, I think,  she likes the drama and conflict involved with dating an asshole, a red flag of its own. We’ve discussed this particular author before. This isn’t the first time she’s written about a man calling her crazy or irrational or where she’s humblebragged about dating a pick up artist or felt insulted by a date. So either she is, in fact, crazy or irrational or she seeks out or creates conflict, which then leads to men calling her crazy and irrational. In my opinion, these two both performed a little self-sabotage.

The first few dates are about gauging compatibility and enjoying the moment. They’re not cage matches. A date should never take on the vibe of some kind of Gladiator-esque showdown. If it does, you need to pull back a bit and re-group. Drop any heavy topics or skirt them in some way. If someone says something that completely offends or unnerves you, leave. Don’t sit there trying to have an argument with them to prove your passion or intellect. You don’t owe anybody that that early on in a relationship. If they offend you, first try to gauge if they’re just being socially awkward or not. If they’re being rude, walk away.

 

 

 

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Does How He Asks You Out & How Much He Spends Really Matter?

Yesterday one of my favorite dating-related columnists, Mandy , wrote an article for XOJane entitled, How to Ask Out a Woman if You Really Like Her, and Also How to F the S Out Of Her Brains.

2. Here’s the magic formula to ask a woman out.

Do a firm, decisive ask. Not, “We should get a drink sometime.” If you are a guy who makes a woman ask you out, there’s something fucking wrong with you. Love and light and all, but that often means you have serious commitment and decision-making issues. If a commitment to a single time and date and location for dinner is too much to handle? Oh, boy.

I also get turned off by the request for just drinks. Like, dude. Invest $100. If you actually like her, fucking do it. So here’s how:

“Hey [Woman], I’d love to take you to dinner on [Specific Date and Time Next Week] at [Specific Nice Restaurant Where You Will Then Make a Reservation]. Does that work for you?” Specific. This is a major panty-peeler.

Confidence. Knowing who you are. Being able to ask a woman to dinner. THIS IS HOT. Shows you are going places! You know yourself! You are a man of action! You are getting shit done! You are your highest self! Hooray for YOU, dude! If she says no? Whatever. On to the next one, you know?

Personally, I don’t give a hoot how a man asks me out. In the past year or so I’ve met men both offline and on, and the invitations are always the same.

“We should get a drink.”

Yes. Yes we should. I don’t care who does the choosing or how the invitation is worded or whether they text or call. (Christ on a pony, can we get past that one, too?) The build up doesn’t matter to me. What transpires on the date does. I prefer drink dates because I like to have a cocktail or two or three. I like stuffing one dollar bills into music players mounted on walls and listening to old music. I like sitting at a bar and having a guy inch his stool closer and closer to me. I also really, really enjoy make out sessions (yes, sometimes even in said bar)  that are infused with a heady buzz from Blue Moons or Shiraz.  If I want to dress up, I’ll dress up. I don’t mind if I’m over dressed. The pre-date getting ready is fun for me. I enjoy it. It gives me an excuse to get my hair blown out and a new manicure and drink a glass of wine and play Madonna really, really loudly.

If a guy is dating online and he’s relatively attractive and socially skilled he’s getting at least a couple of dates a week. That can get expensive. That’s why most men suggest the simple drinks date. Most of my guys friends easily spend $75-$100 or more on first dates. They take their dates to trendy lounges. They’re not scouring Yelp for cheap happy hours or clipping coupons.  PS? No coupons or gift certificates on a first date. Ever. Also put a moratorium on scouting out happy hour specials. Bad first date idea. The drinks will be watered down and you’ll look cheap.

I understand the desire to have a “grown up” date. One where you meet cute and flirt and bat your eyes and giggle until he asks you to dinner. Everything goes perfectly well on the date. It ends with the guy walking you to your door and kissing you on the forehead good night. Then he tells you he had a great time. Yes, that is a sweet notion. It’s just not realistic.

In Manhattan, plenty of men will walk a woman to the subway or to her apartment building strictly to see if she’ll invite him up. I always chuckle inside when guys offer to walk me home or “see me home” under the guise of being polite. (Though my friend M. always walks me home after we go for drinks and he has no interest in sleeping with me, so I might be rushing to judgement on this one.) The ones I feel are genuine or the ones I think I might want to invite upstairs win that honor. The rest? I just wave my Metro Card and tell them I’ll be fine and thank them for the nice night. If the guys aren’t interested, the woman is lucky to have him walk her to the curb to get a cab. The ones just in it for sex don’t even try to pretend to be chivalrous.

Not every date is going to resemble your favorite Rom Com. And that’s okay.  People are busy. Many of us are juggling dates. It’s hard to be “special” when you’re date number two that week. That’s not romantic, I know. But that’s how things are now. We’re usernames from a dating site or an avatar on Twitter or Facebook. We are a number.  Dating has, to some degree, become a little impersonal. That’s why you shouldn’t take stuff like this personally.

It doesn’t have to be all about you in order for it to be a good  date. You can make it a great date all on your own just by being present and enjoying it.

 

 

 

 

 

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The Real Reason Men Should Pay The Tab On A First Date

Name: Kevin
Age: 43
State: NJ
Question: After a year of online dating I have decided the best first dates are coffee dates because of the low cost and casual, quiet atmosphere. There is one place in particular that I try to meet my first dates at. Every time I suggest it, they never heard of it but they always tell me upon arrival it is such a cute place and love the atmosphere. It looks like the set of Friends with cozy tables/chairs and couches.

The problem is that this coffee place has desserts and serves food. When the wait staff brings the menu, the coffee,teas,desserts are on the same menu as the flat bread sandwiches and other foods they serve. The ladies act pleasantly surprised they have such good food selections and then want to order the food. That surprises me because when we make plans, I suggest coffee/tea and never mention food.

When they mention they want to try the grilled chicken panini or spinach dip with bread, I feel like I am put on the spot. Not every girl does this, but enough of them do to prompt me to write.  My choices are to go along with it and take it in stride or object. I have never objected. Of course I will follow suit and order something to eat too since it would feel awkward if she ate and I watched her. I think their intention is to meet for coffee but when they see the menu perhaps they think food is fair game? My plans for a low cost first coffee date turns into a more moderate $35 date. Not expensive but certainly not the intended $10 cost I was counting upon. After a year of online dating, I know it is a fool’s game to spend anything more than 10 bucks on a first meeting due to the uncertainty of first date outcomes.

Some of these dates went on to 2nd and 3rd dates and sometimes more so the initial investment was well worth it in the end for me with those women. But some went the route of 1st date failure with the no chemistry reasoning or disappearing act.  I wonder why many ladies feel it is OK to ask or suggest the food when the menu is brought to us when the whole point of being there in the first place was just  coffee.  It seems my only options are to object at the meal ordering (and kill the chances of a successful date), go along with it (increase the chances of a successful date like I have done) or not bring them there at all. The last option would be a shame because the place is just that good.  Can you give me your thoughts on this? Thank you.

 

The appropriate protocol for a first date, especially a first meet up from an online date, is to stick to the plan. If the plan is to meet “for drinks” then nobody should assume that it’s okay to upgrade. Eat before the date. It’s rude to show up for a pre-arranged cocktail/coffee date and then take it upon yourself to upgrade. If you are hungry, then you should make it clear to your date that you plan on covering your share of the tab for that order. Stick to the plan.

If you don’t want to get bamboozled into paying more than $10 for a date, then find a place that doesn’t offer food. If it is that big of a deal for you then don’t put yourself in a situation to have to break your piggy bank open and spend a whole $35.

As much as I loathe people who take advantage in situations like this, I find it unfortunate that you’re one of those “I refuse to spend more than $10 on a date” guys. You must have heard that from another guy or on some forum somewhere. Allow me to womansplain something to you…never take dating advice from guys who gather on the internet to trash woman and dating. The whole reason they are there is because they haven’t had much luck. Ergo, their advice is tainted and they don’t actually want you to succeed. They will use you as a soldier to carry out their desire to hurt women.

Breaking….dating isn’t cheap. Nobody can successfully date when they decide that they are going to be one of the “smart” people and not spend more than $10 on a date. Plus, unless you don’t drink alcohol, coffee dates are lame. There. I said it. The settings of places like that are not conducive to creating the right environment. Those places are loud and have a slew of laptop hobos (TM Gawker) hovering around. Those types of dates are stiff and unpleasant.

It’s fine to say that you’re not going to spend more than X amount on a date. Nobody is saying you need to spend $100 on a date. But you should be willing to fork over more than the equivalent of an 8 year old’s allowance. I understand how frustrating it can be to hand over $50-$75 a date to have nothing come of it. But that’s dating. You win some, you lose some. If you walk into every date with the mindset that you refuse to be played or taken advantage of, you’re sabotaging your chances of success. You will never revolutionize the dating game with your little Ten Dollar Test. Trust me.

You need to change your approach. Your first dates should be at a modestly priced bar. Don’t take a menu if offered. That should be a clue to the woman that you don’t plan on eating or footing a bill beyond what you originally agreed. If she doesn’t follow your lead, then let her order whatever. If you like her and want to see her again, pay the bill. If you don’t, slide that check right over to her side and put down a $20. Don’t blink an eye or worry what she’ll think of you. Who cares? You’ll never see her again.

The true problem here is that you care way too much what these women think. They don’t appear to show the same concern, do they? If you don’t like her, don’t pay for her. If you do, pay. It’s simple. If she’s a smart woman, she’ll know that she needs to demonstrate her appreciation with a genuine offer to help pay the bill or an offer to cover what she ordered. If she’s not and she expects guys to just foot the bill because they’re the man, then that’s why they’re single in the first place. They will go out with guys who pay the tab every time and delude themselves into believing that the guy does that because he really likes them. Um..not necessarily. $100/$200 per date is nothing to a lot of men.  If a woman refuses to reach into her pocket date after date, I can assure you that there is a really good chance that she will end up sleeping with that guy and then never hear from him again. If a guy doesn’t see that offer or see any true reciprocation on the first few dates, he checks out emotionally and mentally. It then becomes about getting a return on his investment. You do it to yourselves, ladies.

Just like men can spot the “I won’t sleep with a guy until we’re exclusive because I’ve been pumped and dumped over and over” women, women can spot the “I won’t pay much for a date because I go after women way out of my league and get used” men. Really, we’re on to you. We know what you’re doing with the coffee date idea. That’s probably a reason why so many of these women take it upon themselves to order from the menu. You’re telling women, with your decision to take them to Central Perk, that you’re someone who gets taken advantage of.That’s usually what happens with these kinds of tests. They back fire. A lot.

You could also maybe cut back on the number of dates you go on in any given time frame. You don’t have to meet anybody who shows interest, you know. You are allowed to filter people out. Your pool will not dry up. Part of the problem here is that you appear to have bad taste in women.

I agree with you that it’s rude of these women to make these assumptions. The upside is that this a great way to get a glimpse of the woman’s beliefs and expectations. But to whine about it just makes you seem weak. Dating costs money. Women like to feel desired and appreciated and, unfortunately, use how much a man spends as a barometer for how interested he is. Sometimes you just need to suck it up and go with it.

 

 

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Any Port In a Storm – The Argument for Sleeping With Married People

Im going to throw this topic at you …multiple part question….and see how you tackle it.  :)
BEING SINGLE ..and SLEEPING WITH MARRIED PEOPLE.

Setting aside religious beliefs, Is it right ?  Is it wrong ?  Do you believe in the whole karma aspect ?
If you’re SINGLE and consort with and sleep with married people, is it preventing you from having a REAL relationship of your own ??  (Keep in mind, I am FINE with being single and happy.  I’m 38 and would LIKE to be in a relationship with the RIGHT person, but until THAT person comes along, I will keep doing what I’m doing  :)    )

Here is My theory:
My whole outlook about married women is: If I WANT to enjoy fucking so n so …and she is making herself available to Me …WHY not? Whether it’s only once ..or once a month, just like a good dinner or fine wine,  I like to indulge. :) :)

I can’t sit there and worry about HER marriage and why she feels the need to stray etc. Im DEF NOT the type to break up a marriage and DEF never have ..in fact, I feel my sleeping with these women HELPS their marriage.  Why?  Because they are obviously lacking SOMETHING in their relationship (not necessarily the sex)  So, if I provide whatever that may be and they are more content as a WHOLE.  They now go home and are happier people.  Miserable people tend to bail and break up.  Content people tend to hang in there.

Women make LOTS of mistakes lol ..BUT when a woman KNOWS what she wants ..she knowsss what she wants. She may not be able to UNdo (or may not WANT to UNdo the mistake of picking the wrong guy to marry..due to kids, finances, etc.) BUT she CAN choose who to fuck that makes her feel how she WANTS to feel. Enter: Me. lol  (..and I dont necessarily mean make her feel JUST physically …because when it comes to me ..its more of a connection that has nothing to do WITH sex …but eventually leads TO sex :) :) )

I look forward to hearing your thoughts, Moxie !  :)
~H

Okay, Andrew Dice Lay. I’ll take this challenge. :)

My whole outlook about married women is: If I WANT to enjoy fucking so n so …and she is making herself available to Me …WHY not?

This might not be popular, but I agree that you are not responsible for someone else’s marriage. You’re not the one who took the vows, they are. Do I believe in karma? Yep. I sure do. Listen, we can excuse it all we like. But we know that we are partaking in something that, if discovered, could destroy a relationship and someone’s ability to ever fully trust again. So while you’re not responsible for her marriage, you are responsible for your participation and the potential fall out from that. We tell ourselves whatever we need to, because usually we’re doing it for our own selfish reasons.

I feel my sleeping with these women HELPS their marriage.  Why?  Because they are obviously lacking SOMETHING in their relationship (not necessarily the sex)

I disagree with this. I think there are plenty of people – men and women – out there who cheat on their spouses for no other reason than they can and they want to have sex with someone else. I believe that many people are capable of compartmentalizing various aspects of their relationships and their lives. Meaning, they can engage in a sexual relationship with someone who isn’t their spouse and not feel guilty about it and, in some cases, actually feel entitled to it. They do it strictly because they want to. Their spouse could be servicing them nightly. They could have the strongest of emotional bonds. There doesn’t have to be a lack of  anything to compel some people to cheat. Well, that’s not true. What their primary relationship lacks is variety. Funny thing, that marriage. Traditionally it doesn’t allow you to screw other people.
I do agree that in some cases infidelity is a sign of trouble. There’s a disconnect somewhere. There have been studies saying that taking a lover can actually help your relationship. Personally, I think it’s because the guilt from cheating actually makes people remember why they fell in love with that person in the first place. They become so afraid of losing that person that they do what they can to rectify the situation – be more attentive or communicative, etc.  I feel that a lot of people who cheat want to get caught just so they’re partner will finally acknowledge and discuss the problems in their relationship.
Miserable people tend to bail and break up.  Content people tend to hang in there.
Wow. I totally disagree. When it’s between their own personal misery and the potential misery of their children or possible financial ruin, you’d be surprised how many people stick it out or try to fix their marriage.  You have a really limited view and understanding of marriage. Miserable couple stay together all the time. They just find work arounds to help them get through it.

If you’re SINGLE and consort with and sleep with married people, is it preventing you from having a REAL relationship of your own ??  (Keep in mind, I am FINE with being single and happy.  I’m 38 and would LIKE to be in a relationship with the RIGHT person, but until THAT person comes along, I will keep doing what I’m doing  :)    )

I think it depends on why you’re engaging in that particular relationship. If you’re in it strictly for the sex, then I don’t think it will prevent you from meeting someone else. That is, unless the sex is so good that all other sex pales in comparison.  If you’re getting something out of these relationships other than physical gratification, then yes, I think engaging in such arrangements will get in the way. These arrangements are placebos of sorts. They keep us going and convince of things that aren’t necessarily real or true. But we engage in these no strings situations anyway, knowing they might hurt us or keep us further from our goal. We get lonely, we’re lacking the stimulation and attention that having a partner provides. I’m certainly not justifying those instances where we get involved with someone who is taken. But loneliness is a powerful motivator sometimes. It can encourage someone to do just about anything if they don’t have the proper coping skills in place at that moment.

Women make LOTS of mistakes lol ..BUT when a woman KNOWS what she wants ..she knowsss what she wants. She may not be able to UNdo (or may not WANT to UNdo the mistake of picking the wrong guy to marry..due to kids, finances, etc.) BUT she CAN choose who to fuck that makes her feel how she WANTS to feel. Enter: Me. lol (..and I dont necessarily mean make her feel JUST physically …because when it comes to me ..its more of a connection that has nothing to do WITH sex …but eventually leads TO sex :) :) )

Just from reading your letter, there seems to be something about being The Go To Guy for these women that works for you. You like the idea of being their stud. So much so that you believe what they tell you.

Here’s the thing about people who cheat:

They lie.

They will say whatever it is they think will keep their side dish providing whatever it is that they want. Sure, maybe you’re giving it to them in ways their husbands don’t. Maybe you’re more well endowed. Whatever. They’re appealing to your ego because they feel like they have to. They know that’s why you’re doing it. It’s not just about the sex for you, I don’t think. It’s about the attention, how these women make you feel.

I think you want to believe whatever it is that makes you feel special to these women. You tell yourself, or maybe believe them when they say, that there’s something broken about their marriage. That way you can feel like a Savior of sorts. It could very well be that these women are married to men who are never around, who don’t pay them attention, etc. What you’re not getting is that they’re reaching out to you because they’re hurt. Or bored. Or horny. You’re just a port in a storm. Not so romantic or sexy when you realize it could be any warm body they’re lying next to, is it?

So this connection you say you form with them? It’s likely all in your head. It has nothing to do with you and everything to do with them and their relationship with their husband.  You’re filler. They’re actions are reactions to how their husbands make them feel and not so much how you make them feel. To put it bluntly, you ain’t that special. In some cases, they don’t even realize that. Anything to keep them from feeling what they’re feeling or not feeling.

Don’t kid yourself in to think you’re providing something their husband isn’t. That might be the case sometimes, but not always.

That just might be how you justify doing it in the first place.

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Under One Roof

This was mentioned in a recent post and Ifeel like it got overshadowed by the bigger topic.

I keep hearing stories about people who dated for 3, 6, 9 months and then decided to live together. Which, to me, seems fast. But then everything has been sped up, hasn’t it? The courting process, the dating process, engagements. We’re not waiting around anymore. I can’t tell if that’s a good thing or not. It used to be that people moved in together because they believed the relationship would be permanent. It seems like now people move in together because it’s convenient. Maybe it will work out, maybe it won’t. Is this a sign we’re less commitment phobic than we were or just more lackadaisical? Or is it the economy. :)

For me, living together is a step towards long term commitment. But it seems like many people nowadays live together out of some sort of convenience. A few months ago we discussed the phenomenon of how couples in the middle of a divorce who live with their exes under the same roof.

Are more people living together simply for financial reasons? Because they both live bust lives and living together allows them to spend more time together? or as a trial run for something more long term?

What are you reasons for living with someone?

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