How Will She Get Her Panties Back?

Name: Rebecca
Age: 23
State: New York
Question: Last week, I went out for drinks with a man I’d met online. From the get-go, we had great chemistry and conversation. There was never an awkward moment, and things quickly progressed to the more personal. He confessed he had been married; I confessed I’d been engaged. We told each other all kinds of secrets. And, being both very sexually open people, we started talking about sex and making out. Although I put up a little bit of a fight, I ended up going home with him, and we had sex.

Even after the sex, things seemed to be going well. He said he was “excited” about meeting me. We both wanted the date to continue, so we went out for late-night pancakes. I had to go home to my dog, but he gave me his sweater to wear. We realized I’d accidentally left my panties somewhere in his apartment.

The next morning, he texted to see if I’d gotten home okay and said he’d found my underwear. He suggested a trade-back and came over that afternoon to hang out. We had sex and I returned his clothes, but he forgot to return mine. He sent me a flirty text afterwards saying that I’d just have to see him again if I wanted the underwear back.

A few days later, we exchanged a bunch of cute text messages (in which he was asking questions, engaging in the conversation, etc.) and he hinted he was bored. So, I decided to take initiative and ask him out. “My dog and I are about to go have an adventure, if you’re feeling bored.” Well, I never heard from him again.

If this guy really just wanted a casual hook-up, fine – but then why keep leading me on with flirty texts? Did he actually want something more serious but I spoiled it by sleeping with him? Did I spoil it by asking him on a date?And maybe most importantly–will I ever get my panties back?

 

We both wanted the date to continue, so we went out for late-night pancakes.

Hmm. I have a theory here. I can remember reading a woman’s blog a couple of years ago and she was talking about some younger dude (she was 40) that she had met online. She and this guy had had sex for a series of Sundays (like 3) and so she referred to him as Sunday Boy. She was terribly proud of the fact that she managed to get this young brah to sleep with her on a somewhat weekly basis. She said that she and the guy would get together at his place, have sex and then they’d go out to grab a bite to eat after. This was the drill every time. I can remember thinking, as I read her story, that going out to eat after the sex was more a sly way to get her out of his apartment than any sort of gesture of genuine interest.

If I’m following your story correctly, you and this guy met up for a first date and then went back to his place for the sexy time and then you two decided to go for pancakes, yes? Ok. Here’s a novel way for a date to continue: sleep over. Having to get up and get dressed and leave a warm bed post-coitus is kind of the opposite of continuing a date. (Dog or no dog.) The post-hook-up chit chat and lounging around and falling asleep together, in my opinion, is the best part. That’s where things begin to take a more substantive turn. It is by no means an indicator that he wants to be your #omigahboyfriend, but it is a sign that he enjoys your company beyond the sex or is at least willing to pretend to. This guy wasn’t even willing to pretend. It was sex and then exit stage left. The line was drawn.

When you suggest taking things to a non-sexual/more emotional place, he disappears. There is your answer. He’ll resurface, I’m sure. But the flirty text exchange was really just a way for him to try and get you to hook-up again and nothing more.

As for your panties, forget ‘em. That’s like when women”accidentally” leave earrings at a guy’s place. Sometimes you genuinely forget. More often it’s done somewhat intentionally so as to provide an excuse to contact the guy.

I would play it cool and let this guy come back around. Just understand that he’s not looking for anything terribly involved. He’ll text you in a few days, once he feels there’s been enough distance and you’ve detached a bit.

I eagerly await all of the comments from folks who tell you how stupid you were for having sex with the guy and how he doesn’t respect you and you were a pump and dump. Even if you hadn’t slept with him his respect level would be exactly the same. The sex was not why this guy behaved the way he did. He was going to do this whether you slept with him after one date or after ten.

It’s unfortunate, but you just can’t read too much into anything that is said or done in situations like this. Offering up confessions and revealing secrets is often just a strategy. It’s done to establish or create a sense of intimacy. You can’t place much emphasis or importance on something like that. Sometimes the mood just takes over and we feel comfortable. Other times we are intentionally looking for a way to establish a connection. If someone just wants a meal or attention or sex, they’re going to do whatever they need to do to ensure that they get what they want. There’s no guarantee that if they do/say XYZ that they’re being genuine. It’s all part of the process. The only thing we can do is remain detached and only give of ourselves what we can without regretting it after the fact. We’re not wrong or bad or stupid for believing or trusting or going with a particular flow. The more we do this, the more we build up a tolerance and understanding of how things work.

Take a few steps back and go meet someone else. It’s as easy as that. If he comes back around, great. Throw him up on the board as a possible option as you continue filling your roster.

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Did He Get Cold Feet Or Was She Just Getting Too Serious?

Name: Shauna
Age: 29
State: NY
Question: Hit it off with a guy, met him through a mutual friend. Had great chemistry from the moment we met. He would want to see me all the time, hung out with him almost every other day for the first month. He even introduced me to his best friends, had great/fun times. Then one night he happens to go out partying with MY friends and I, so they naturally asked him- what he thought about me and if we were exclusive. And because I like him for his honesty, he replied to them saying- “I have only known her for a month, so I dont know yet.” 2 days later at dinner with just him and I, he decided to be “clear” and asked me if I knew that we weren’t exclusive, and that he wants to keep his options open (as we had already discussed when I first met him). Because we are both at that age, where we want to meet “the one” and settle down…Things were going great for a month in a half and after we had this dinner, his phonecalls became few and far between, texted very little, and I saw him probably twice going into the second month of dating him. I still get texts/phonecalls from him once/twice a week asking me how I’m doing/what I’m upto, etc. He even told me, that he is distancing himself because he does not want to be attached to me, because he came out of a long term relationship, and it hasn’t even been a year. Now given, the type of job he has- he does travel at least once a month. But this is the same guy that in the first month wanted to see me ALL THE TIME, and we had great fun! So my question is: Did he get cold feet? does he really like me? will he come back around? what should I do?

Then one night he happens to go out partying with MY friends and I, so they naturally asked him- what he thought about me and if we were exclusive

No, not “naturally.” That’s not what most people “naturally” do. We typically learn not to ask such personal or pointed questions about someone’s relationship in high school or even junior high. It’s rude and inappropriate. Before you go defending your friends for “looking out for you” let me clarify something. I don’t think your friends intentionally sabotaged you. In fact, I don’t even think your friends thought about you at all before they performed their little inquisition. They weren’t thinking of you. They were thinking of themselves, and now you’ve paid the price.The status of your relationship is none of your friend’s business, and you should be royally pissed that they would even ask such a question. That is, if you didn’t know they’re were going to ask. If you somehow got them to do your bidding, you screwed yourself.

The conversation with your gal pals made him wonder just what you’ve been telling them and what your expectations might be. That’s why he put on the breaks.

Because we are both at that age, where we want to meet “the one” and settle down..

I’m confused. I thought he said he wanted to keep his options open? How does that then translate into “we both want to meet the one?” Methinks you’re processing everything he says through your own filters. Just because you might have said to him that you’re looking for something serious or are ready for “the one” and he agreed doesn’t mean you’re on the same page. I’m sure he would like to meet “the one”…eventually. But not at this very moment. You heard what you wanted to hear, I’m guessing.

He even told me, that he is distancing himself because he does not want to be attached to me, because he came out of a long term relationship, and it hasn’t even been a year.

He doesn’t fear getting attached to you. Break-up, schmake-up. If a man meets someone that he really likes, he’s not distancing himself for fear of “getting too attached.” That’s female logic. That is either how you interpreted his words, as many women are wont to do, or that was his way of trying to tell you – without telling you – that you were just a pit stop.

This guy likes you. He just doesn’t want to be serious with you. He fears you were getting too attached. At this point, that is not what he wants. If he did want to be with you in any capacity other than casual, he would be. The fact that he introduced you to his friends and vice versa means nothing. Say it: it means nothing until it means everything.

A man who tells you he wants to keep his options open isn’t just being honest. He’s all but sending out a memo that says, “You’re not the one.” A smart guy who didn’t want to ruin a good thing would know NEVER to say something like that. You have to acknowledge something. This guy chose to enlighten you on how he feels. Most men wouldn’t do that. They’d just go along until it no longer worked for them. This guy didn’t do that. He made it a point to have a difficult conversation with you.

I would write this guy off as a loss. If he comes back around, he comes back around. Right now, he fears you’re going to want more than he’s interested in giving. Once a guy has that concern, there’s little any woman can do to alleviate him of that.

 

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READER RANT: What Do You Mean Women Over 35 Should Settle?

Name: Cheerios
Age: 33
State:
Question: Dear Moxie- Really? After 35 every single woman must “settle” in order to end up in a serious relationship? I see this in almost every one of your posts. What exactly does the term “settle” mean to you Moxie? If a good looking woman in her mid to late 30s wants to find a smart, funny man, who has a job, and that she personally is attracted to, to have a serious relationship with, why shouldn’t she have that? It’s not like they are these ridiculous standards like he must make six figures, look like George Clooney, be as funny as Conan O’Brien, blah blah blah. I’m just talking BASIC standards. Why should a woman over 35 have to settle for someone she’s not attracted to mentally and physically just because of her age. She’s not 70, she’s 35! Come on now. Or am I just misinterpreting what you’re saying? If someone as young as 35 needs to start settling to have anything other than a casual relationship why don’t we all just throw in the towel now? How depressing.

 

I’ve never suggested that women forgo physical attraction or sexual compatibility. Ever. Not once in the 8 years I’ve been writing this column. You have no idea what this sort of rant says about you. That’s what is so funny. Someone says “settle” and you (the collective you) all think what is being suggested is to find some schmuck and get him to marry you. Do you have any idea what that tells people? Let me fill you in. When women automatically assume that that’s what “settle” means, that is usually an indicator of the fact that those women try (and chronically fail) to date out of their league.

If someone as young as 35 needs to start settling to have anything other than a casual relationship why don’t we all just throw in the towel now?

You don’t seem to be getting it. It’s not that there is a limited supply of men who want to date you. It’s that there is a limited supply of men who want to commit to you or anybody else. And if they do want to commit, they either are probably going to do it with someone under 35 so they won’t be rushed into settling down and having kids OR they are guys that you have blown off and passed over as you wait for your funny, attractive, educated, employed, charming Mr. Right. Many women have been listening to tales and fables from their friends about that one woman in their office or second cousin or sorority sister from college who found Mr. Right. They are exceptions to the rule. Not the rule.

Listen to some of the stories here from women who refuse to settle. How many tales do they have of dating some dude who beds them and disappears? If there are so many options for you ladies, then where are all the stories of courting and wooing? Why is online dating a billion dollar industry? Why is there a new dating blog popping up every ten god damn seconds deconstructing all the bad dates that women have? Hon, wake up. The days of marriage and commitment being  a given or a must have are over. We spent so long saying we didn’t need a man and had plenty of time to find someone that we completely missed the part when men started thinking the exact same way. Men have learned how to use the overage of single woman in the market place to their advantage. Now they’re winning. Now they’re being taken care of by desperate women who would rather support some leech than be alone. Or they’re dating multiple women who, like them, don’t want commitment. Or they’re juggling multiple women who do want commitment and then dumping them and then starting over. There’s a constant supply of single women for them! And by “them” I mean the men that most women want. The ones with options and charm and looks and money and stability.

Your mistake is thinking that commitment is a “basic standard.” It’s not. Not anymore. Not for many men, at least.

 

 

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Do You Like Playing The Victim?

Name: Marshmallow
Age: 30s
State: New York
Website:
Question: I’ve noticed lately that a lot of people are using the term sociopath to describe people they or others have dated. Now, either we have a increase in people with a disturbing mental illness or something else is going on. What gives?

 

 

What gives is that we like to glamorize these men and women rather than admit that we got duped by some immature, lacking in personality doofus. Classifying these boobs as something as nefarious as a sociopath raises our status.  Plus, if you say the person you dated was a sociopath, then you have less to answer for. There’s less accountability if the person who hurt you was a highly intelligent emotional mastermind.

He never showed any concern for your feelings? He’s a sociopath.

He cheated on you with other women? He’s a sociopath.

Don’t get me wrong. There are some true sociopaths out there who take advantage of unsuspecting men and women. They certainly exist.  But most of the men or women we encounter on a day to day basis are not sociopaths. They’re actually far more pedestrian than we like to believe.

Every woman has her story of being involved with a Don Draper, Mr. Big or Christian Grey. Do you know why? Because it makes us sound impressive. We were able to capture the attention of a man who was mysterious, domineering and charming. We didn’t get discarded, tossed aside of generally shat upon because we were idiots and they were cads . No. We got abused because these men were just so cunning and clever that didn’t have a chance.

We had a chance. We just didn’t take it. We didn’t want to. We wanted to exist in that little fantasy world that we read about in romance novels when we were kids.We wanted to believe that there was something so desirable and undeniable about us that we were able to lure this caliber of man into our beds. Yes, I said caliber. The truth is that many women hold such men in high esteem. We think they chose us because we were unique. Nope. They chose us because we were weak. Of course, there is also the humblebrag factor. You , too, can tell your story of dating a Christian Grey or Tony Soprano or Chuck Bass. You become the antagonist in your own personal fan fic.

I can remember, awhile back, going over a particular situation with my friend J. I was telling her something stupid a guy had said to me, and how I was sure that it was said with the intention of getting a reaction.

“I think you’re giving him way too much credit” she said. “I honestly think he’s just a guy who hasn’t self-actualized yet. He’s self-involved and immature. ”

My friend M. gave me a similar explanation when I showed him the guy’s email messages.

“I’m now in the camp of he’s just very, very stupid.”

So we have – stupid, immature and self-involved. That’s a far cry from mysterious, domineering and charming, right?

We all want to be Carrie Bradshaw or Anastasia or Meredith Grey. We want to consumed by passion, dominated by a dark force or just plain  dark and twisty. It’s the tale that we want. The idea of an experience. One that sets us apart and yet bonds us with other women at the same time. We long for that moment when we can stand in an operating room and say, “Pick me. Choose me. Love me” or something equally melodramatic. Sadly, all we aspire to be are cliche’s.

There’s the woman who is jaded and kicks every guy out of bed because she’s just in it for the sex. That is, until she meets a guy she likes and by date two, she thinks she’s in love with him.

Then there’s the woman who goes after unavailable guy after unavailable guy, yet she’s terrified to trust and let someone in. Except, you know, that unavailable guy that had “unavailable” stamped on his forehead.

Add in the “I have sex like a man” woman. Yet, unlike a man, she wants the guy to call her on the phone to schedule sex and not just text her. Or she gets flustered when a guy actually expects her to follow through on the underlying sexual promises of her dating profile or conversation.

Don’t forget the girl who comes up with flimsy excuses for why every date she has ends up with her on the receiving end of a big fat boot. He asked me if I was DTF!  He canceled our date! He called me crazy! He made me pay the tab! He was too short!

Finally, there’s that female who has some vignette about how she escaped the sociopath. Only, he wasn’t a sociopath. He was just a dude who lied to her, poorly I might add, and she believed him. He didn’t control her or dominate her. He used her and she let him. There was no intense attraction on his end. It was in her head. In fact, the whole relationship was in her head.

What it really boils down to is our dependence upon attention and playing the victim. It’s not terribly glamorous, but that’s what it’s all about. We desperately need that drama so that we can feel special. This desire is borne from loneliness and immaturity.

 

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When Do You Let Go Of The Fantasy?

Name: Jessica
State: NY
Age: 30
Comment: I would love a brutally honest assessment of my predicament from objective third parties please.I’ve been dating in NYC for the last ten years, I had always been into NY men: educated, intelligent, etc. But with age and experience, him having to be respectful, treat me well, call me, introduce me to his inner circle, etc. also became very important. I am also one of those people who say that NYC is their better half and that it’s the best place for them (although I live in a rent stabilized apartment on the UES, so it’s not like I am flushed with cash).

I’ve always considered myself a city person. I grew up in a metropolitan area (admittedly, not as big as NYC) and have never driven a car to get to places (I can barely drive), always liked being around crowds, buildings, cultural places and always felt uneasy when I had to briefly leave for the suburbs: no people, houses-and-trees-and-cars lifestyle and images really tainted my mood and seemed like something I never wanted for myself. I always wanted to stay in the city, even when I had kids. I kind of knew that finding a man in Manhattan who I would both fall in love with and who would fall in love with me and who would have an apartment big enough to raise a family was rather a delusion, but was willing to somehow work around it (move to a good area in Bkln, etc.), especially that I myself don’t make anywhere near what you’d have to be making to afford housing with kids in the city.

I’ve had a few serious relationships, the last three (ranging from a few months to 1 1/2years) with Manhattan men who either rented or owned. Those were normal relationships with mutual respect. However none of them turned into a marriage.

Now I am very much marriage/kids-minded. I recently met a man who treats me really well and who seems to have the same kind of thing on his mind. We are both emotionally invested at this point but on my end, it’s more the appreciation of his character and the way he treats me than infatuation or crazy passion. Which is okay because from what I hear crazy passion isn’t the basis of a family life. So it’s not one of those “he doesn’t give me butterflies” confessions.The thing is my boyfriend lives in the suburbs, and I mean it’s almost two hours driving out or, if you are lucky, 1:45minutes or so, and there is a train that you have to drive from to his house that stops in his town, and nothing else, no other way to commute. In the beginning when I found out (we met at the Met Museum) that he was from the suburbs, although I liked him, I almost turned him down but he was so nice and always commuted to NYC for our dates and dropped me off that it won me over to the extent where I wanted to go out on subsequent dates and see where it was going to go.

Most things about our relationship are great, and we get along very well. The only thing I am concerned about is the lifestyle and the commute. It would be a major, drastic change for me and somehow I get the feeling that I won’t be able to embrace the change and change my lifestyle preferences. It worries me a lot. Commuting is a big headache too, especially that I work a typical 9:30-5 in the city. Most and foremost the concept of suburban living is very alien to me, and even upsets me when I try to think about it as something to live with indefinitely. My boyfriend is also very clear about not wanting to move to a metropolitan area, I mean ever.

Is this my preference (and not the fact that he is family oriented, he owns his house, treats me really well, is financially secure, etc)normal or am I being crazy and not realistic? After all, I dated all those Manhattan men, and nothing came out of it in terms of family/kids? Am I being spoiled and too picky, because, after all, the real America all lives like that – suburbs, houses and driving everywhere? Or is it just a normal trait of my personality? I’ve thought so much about it, and don’t know at this point. I really don’t want to lose my relationship with a great, caring, financially stable man to my distorted ideal of Manhattan life, and end up getting more and more into my 30′s waiting for something that might never come my way.

Thanks

 

I have to say that you don’t sound terribly attracted or into this guy. You sound…comfortable. Which is not the same as happy.

The differences in lifestyle choices is also a huge concern.  You clearly don’t want to live outside the city. Do I agree with you that you are delusional if you think you’re going to find one of those guys who can afford to live and raise children in Manhattan or Brooklyn?  I don’t know. How many kids are we talking here? One? Eh, that’s doable. More than that? I don’t know.  I’ve never really thought about that so I don’t know how helpful my input on this particular topic would be.

What I will say is that you seem to have this romanticized idea of living in Manhattan or Brooklyn. Other than the issue about not driving, much of your reasoning sounds rather disingenuous. I believe that you believe that those are your reasons for wanting to be here and I believe you believe they are valid. To me, they sound kind of , well, silly. You like buildings and crowds? Really? I walk up 86th Street on my way to the gym and I want to punch myself in the face repeatedly because of how congested it is.

I think you like the idea of what living in a city like Manhattan means.  Right now, you’re swept up in the lifestyle. But come on. You and I live in the same part of town, both in rent stabilized apartments, etc. This life? Not so glamorous. There are glimmers of glamor, but that’s really it. For the most part it’s kinda boring. It sure ain’t fancy.

That all said, I don’t blame you for not wanting to do the commute. I also get the desire to be around more “citified” people. I get the same way you do when I go home.

I think that you’re 30 years old in Manhattan. If you’re reasonably attractive and sane, you shouldn’t have  a problem finding a guy here in the city. Now, whether he’s going to want to fulfill your Miranda Hobbs/Charlotte York-inspired fantasy of raising a family here in Manhattan is a different story. Much like Miranda, you’re going to have to get over that whole “I’m a city girl” thing. Because unless you are a knockout, the chances of you meeting a heart surgeon or lawyer who puts you up in a pricey apartment where you raise your gaggle of kids are slim. Not to mention the guys who make that kind of bank are hardly ever around. They’re too bust working.

Let’s face it. Manhattan and even Brooklyn is expensive. We live here for the convenience, not the culture. Add kids to that mix and you’re talking a lot of money. Eventually people move from here to a suburb to raise their kids. And honestly? Everybody I’ve ever met who was raised in Manhattan has always seemed kind of pretentious and lacking any real concept of real life. They never seem able to adapt or function anywhere but Manhattan. That’s not a good thing.

Eventually, you’re going to have to let go of the fantasy and acknowledge that what you want might not be attainable. You should also consider the real possibility that the fantasy will not measure up to the dream you have built up in your head. You’ve got a few years left where you can flit around and meet men at The Met and go to trendy hot spots and dream of the days you pick your kids up from Spence or Browning. But you don’t want to end up 35, 38, 40 and still trying to emulate some idealized version of real life. Guys can smell women like that a mile away, and they tend to avoid those types. Or at least not take them very seriously.

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Any Port In a Storm – The Argument for Sleeping With Married People

Im going to throw this topic at you …multiple part question….and see how you tackle it.  :)
BEING SINGLE ..and SLEEPING WITH MARRIED PEOPLE.

Setting aside religious beliefs, Is it right ?  Is it wrong ?  Do you believe in the whole karma aspect ?
If you’re SINGLE and consort with and sleep with married people, is it preventing you from having a REAL relationship of your own ??  (Keep in mind, I am FINE with being single and happy.  I’m 38 and would LIKE to be in a relationship with the RIGHT person, but until THAT person comes along, I will keep doing what I’m doing  :)    )

Here is My theory:
My whole outlook about married women is: If I WANT to enjoy fucking so n so …and she is making herself available to Me …WHY not? Whether it’s only once ..or once a month, just like a good dinner or fine wine,  I like to indulge. :) :)

I can’t sit there and worry about HER marriage and why she feels the need to stray etc. Im DEF NOT the type to break up a marriage and DEF never have ..in fact, I feel my sleeping with these women HELPS their marriage.  Why?  Because they are obviously lacking SOMETHING in their relationship (not necessarily the sex)  So, if I provide whatever that may be and they are more content as a WHOLE.  They now go home and are happier people.  Miserable people tend to bail and break up.  Content people tend to hang in there.

Women make LOTS of mistakes lol ..BUT when a woman KNOWS what she wants ..she knowsss what she wants. She may not be able to UNdo (or may not WANT to UNdo the mistake of picking the wrong guy to marry..due to kids, finances, etc.) BUT she CAN choose who to fuck that makes her feel how she WANTS to feel. Enter: Me. lol  (..and I dont necessarily mean make her feel JUST physically …because when it comes to me ..its more of a connection that has nothing to do WITH sex …but eventually leads TO sex :) :) )

I look forward to hearing your thoughts, Moxie !  :)
~H

Okay, Andrew Dice Lay. I’ll take this challenge. :)

My whole outlook about married women is: If I WANT to enjoy fucking so n so …and she is making herself available to Me …WHY not?

This might not be popular, but I agree that you are not responsible for someone else’s marriage. You’re not the one who took the vows, they are. Do I believe in karma? Yep. I sure do. Listen, we can excuse it all we like. But we know that we are partaking in something that, if discovered, could destroy a relationship and someone’s ability to ever fully trust again. So while you’re not responsible for her marriage, you are responsible for your participation and the potential fall out from that. We tell ourselves whatever we need to, because usually we’re doing it for our own selfish reasons.

I feel my sleeping with these women HELPS their marriage.  Why?  Because they are obviously lacking SOMETHING in their relationship (not necessarily the sex)

I disagree with this. I think there are plenty of people – men and women – out there who cheat on their spouses for no other reason than they can and they want to have sex with someone else. I believe that many people are capable of compartmentalizing various aspects of their relationships and their lives. Meaning, they can engage in a sexual relationship with someone who isn’t their spouse and not feel guilty about it and, in some cases, actually feel entitled to it. They do it strictly because they want to. Their spouse could be servicing them nightly. They could have the strongest of emotional bonds. There doesn’t have to be a lack of  anything to compel some people to cheat. Well, that’s not true. What their primary relationship lacks is variety. Funny thing, that marriage. Traditionally it doesn’t allow you to screw other people.
I do agree that in some cases infidelity is a sign of trouble. There’s a disconnect somewhere. There have been studies saying that taking a lover can actually help your relationship. Personally, I think it’s because the guilt from cheating actually makes people remember why they fell in love with that person in the first place. They become so afraid of losing that person that they do what they can to rectify the situation – be more attentive or communicative, etc.  I feel that a lot of people who cheat want to get caught just so they’re partner will finally acknowledge and discuss the problems in their relationship.
Miserable people tend to bail and break up.  Content people tend to hang in there.
Wow. I totally disagree. When it’s between their own personal misery and the potential misery of their children or possible financial ruin, you’d be surprised how many people stick it out or try to fix their marriage.  You have a really limited view and understanding of marriage. Miserable couple stay together all the time. They just find work arounds to help them get through it.

If you’re SINGLE and consort with and sleep with married people, is it preventing you from having a REAL relationship of your own ??  (Keep in mind, I am FINE with being single and happy.  I’m 38 and would LIKE to be in a relationship with the RIGHT person, but until THAT person comes along, I will keep doing what I’m doing  :)    )

I think it depends on why you’re engaging in that particular relationship. If you’re in it strictly for the sex, then I don’t think it will prevent you from meeting someone else. That is, unless the sex is so good that all other sex pales in comparison.  If you’re getting something out of these relationships other than physical gratification, then yes, I think engaging in such arrangements will get in the way. These arrangements are placebos of sorts. They keep us going and convince of things that aren’t necessarily real or true. But we engage in these no strings situations anyway, knowing they might hurt us or keep us further from our goal. We get lonely, we’re lacking the stimulation and attention that having a partner provides. I’m certainly not justifying those instances where we get involved with someone who is taken. But loneliness is a powerful motivator sometimes. It can encourage someone to do just about anything if they don’t have the proper coping skills in place at that moment.

Women make LOTS of mistakes lol ..BUT when a woman KNOWS what she wants ..she knowsss what she wants. She may not be able to UNdo (or may not WANT to UNdo the mistake of picking the wrong guy to marry..due to kids, finances, etc.) BUT she CAN choose who to fuck that makes her feel how she WANTS to feel. Enter: Me. lol (..and I dont necessarily mean make her feel JUST physically …because when it comes to me ..its more of a connection that has nothing to do WITH sex …but eventually leads TO sex :) :) )

Just from reading your letter, there seems to be something about being The Go To Guy for these women that works for you. You like the idea of being their stud. So much so that you believe what they tell you.

Here’s the thing about people who cheat:

They lie.

They will say whatever it is they think will keep their side dish providing whatever it is that they want. Sure, maybe you’re giving it to them in ways their husbands don’t. Maybe you’re more well endowed. Whatever. They’re appealing to your ego because they feel like they have to. They know that’s why you’re doing it. It’s not just about the sex for you, I don’t think. It’s about the attention, how these women make you feel.

I think you want to believe whatever it is that makes you feel special to these women. You tell yourself, or maybe believe them when they say, that there’s something broken about their marriage. That way you can feel like a Savior of sorts. It could very well be that these women are married to men who are never around, who don’t pay them attention, etc. What you’re not getting is that they’re reaching out to you because they’re hurt. Or bored. Or horny. You’re just a port in a storm. Not so romantic or sexy when you realize it could be any warm body they’re lying next to, is it?

So this connection you say you form with them? It’s likely all in your head. It has nothing to do with you and everything to do with them and their relationship with their husband.  You’re filler. They’re actions are reactions to how their husbands make them feel and not so much how you make them feel. To put it bluntly, you ain’t that special. In some cases, they don’t even realize that. Anything to keep them from feeling what they’re feeling or not feeling.

Don’t kid yourself in to think you’re providing something their husband isn’t. That might be the case sometimes, but not always.

That just might be how you justify doing it in the first place.

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Under One Roof

This was mentioned in a recent post and Ifeel like it got overshadowed by the bigger topic.

I keep hearing stories about people who dated for 3, 6, 9 months and then decided to live together. Which, to me, seems fast. But then everything has been sped up, hasn’t it? The courting process, the dating process, engagements. We’re not waiting around anymore. I can’t tell if that’s a good thing or not. It used to be that people moved in together because they believed the relationship would be permanent. It seems like now people move in together because it’s convenient. Maybe it will work out, maybe it won’t. Is this a sign we’re less commitment phobic than we were or just more lackadaisical? Or is it the economy. :)

For me, living together is a step towards long term commitment. But it seems like many people nowadays live together out of some sort of convenience. A few months ago we discussed the phenomenon of how couples in the middle of a divorce who live with their exes under the same roof.

Are more people living together simply for financial reasons? Because they both live bust lives and living together allows them to spend more time together? or as a trial run for something more long term?

What are you reasons for living with someone?

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