Upcoming Twitter Chat : Can Casual Sex Lead To A Relationship?

I’ve decided to organize a weekly Twitter Chat. If you’re on Twitter, all you’ll need to do is log in to your account at the designated time and then hop tweetchaton over to Tweetchat.com. The hashtag to follow is #atwyschat. That’s how you’ll find us!You can also just create a column in whatever Twitter application that you use and do a search for the #atwyschat hastag.

See details below for topics and times.

If you want to be part of the chat, please Tweet me at @ATWYSingle and I’ll add you to the group list.

DETAILS:

When: Wednesday, May 15th 8pm Eastern Time. Chat should last about 60-75 minutes.

Topic: Can Casual Sex Lead To a Relationship?

Tonight’s subject was inspired by by Evan Marc Katz’s recent post (which was based on my Role/Reboot article) about the pros and cons of checking including casual sex as a possible relationship option on your profile.

 If you plan on participating, please leave a comment so I can get idea of the interest level.

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How Do You Define Long Term Dating, Short Term Dating & Casual Sex

So…how do you define each of the three main relationship options on OKCupid?

Here are my definitions.

Short Term Dating: Open ended dating and consistent sex without exclusivity.

Casual Sex: Let’s meet up and do it.

Long Term Dating: Serious relationship leading to commitment i.e. exclusivity or marriage.

 

Next question:

If someone selects casual sex as an option as well as short/long term dating, does that prevent you from emailing them?

Finally:

If someone only selects long-term dating, does that prevent you from contacting them?

 

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Yes, Casual Sex *Can* Lead To a Relationship

I have used OKCupid off and on for about three years. After a six-month relationship with a man I met on OKCupid ended, I took a brief break. When I came back I decided to shake things up a bit.

I updated my relationship preferences to include casual sex….

I didn’t judge a man if he selected casual sex as an option. As long as he made an effort to complete his profile and post pictures that didn’t appear to be from some ’80s era Playgirl shoot, I didn’t care. (Side note: Naked torso shots. Why? Discuss.)

There were a number of take-aways from this experience.

First, just because someone chooses casual sex doesn’t mean they’re looking for a one-night stand. A person’s willingness to be open about that interest should not be held against them or get them labeled a player or slut. I ended up dating three men during this time for 3-6 months each. We did “couple-y” things like go to the movies, make dinner, and spend weekends together. We weren’t meeting up for quickies as some people might assume. There was intimacy and affection and shared confidences. There just wasn’t exclusivity or expressed commitment. I wasn’t seeking “just” sex, so adding casual sex as a relationship choice actually worked to my advantage. It exposed me—in various ways—to a broader audience. One that I may not have been exposed to had I been a “good girl” and listened to my well-meaning male friends and only selected short and long-term dating.
Read the full article here.

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Sexy Isn’t A Compliment & Sarcastic Isn’t Attractive

Name: E
Comment: I’m new to online dating, and I wanted to know how flirty should you be on emails?

So far I’ve had a couple of messages from men lead into them saying that I’m sexy. In person, I would have a flirty response that wouldn’t be taken too seriously but would let them know that I was interested; however, online, it seems difficult to relay that without insinuating if we me meet, there will be sex.

Also, I’m finding it difficult to translate who I am (witty/sarcastic) online. In one case, I made a joke and it ended with me apologizing because they thought I meant something else; it was a debacle of an exchange.  Can you provide a scenario/sample flirty response?

Also, am I right to assume that if I’m called sexy without much banter that their sole purpose is sex? I would buy “attractive” or “pretty” but “sexy” seems to pour it on.

Thanks for your advice!
Age: 30
City: Jacksonville
State: FL

 

There are two types of men that tell a woman they just met that she is sexy.

Type One: The socially awkward guy who thinks that complimenting the looks of a woman they just met is appropriate. In my book, it’s not.

Type Two: The guy who, as a male friend says, “just wants to get right to it.” The use of the word sexy is intention and meant to get you thinking in a sexual way.

Take a look at the comments on this thread over at XOJane. Now, this woman pretty much admitted she’s a trainwreck when it comes to dating. Yet look at how many White Knights jump in to tell her how hot she is. Yes, she’s attractive. But she could have said she likes to strap bombs to her chest and walk into playgrounds and these guys would still be all up in her business about how gorgeous she was. Those guys use compliments to get on her good side. It smacks of trying too hard.

Personally, if a man addressed me as sexy, or commented on how sexy I was in the first few initial emails, I’d bail. That is, unless I knew with great certainty that I wanted to have sex with him and therefore opened that door for him to walk through. Then I’d go along to get along.  I’d reply with something demure like, “Aww. That made my day. Thanks! So, how about [subject change.]” But those cases are rare. The guys who know how to play the game don’t typically go there. The ones who don’t, well, they do. Since I’m not a fan of being involved with men who wear training wheels, I usually just stop responding or suddenly come up with a reason why I ‘m “taking time off from online dating.” Then I just block him. Guys who go the “sexy” route just seem juvenile and inexperienced to me. It’s a delicate dance, and if a man is going to need me to lead that early, I have no time for him. Then there’s the fact that these men see nothing wrong with sexualizing and objectifying a stranger. No, I don’t take it as a compliment that you think I have beautiful calves or a hot mouth. Nor do I need you, Internet Stranger, to enlighten me on all the ways my physical appearance is arousing.

So, E., to summarize, I’d ignore men who go this route with you via email. Not worth your time. They’ll either require a great deal of handling or they’re shit testing trying to gauge the level of difficulty involved with getting you into bed. or they’re just lying because they’re desperate. Who wants to be with someone like that?

I would also pay close attention to the messages (both the written ones and the underlying ones) that you send in your profile and email communications. Often I hear women talk about how guys say something dripping with innuendo “out of the blue.” Mmmm….no. I mean, yes, some dudes are just that boorish and stupid. But just as often the woman has said something she knows will be taken in a sexual way. Then when she’s called on it, so to speak, she starts clutching her pearls and fanning her face. If you put something out there that can in any way be construed as sexual, expect a lot of men to jump through that door you just opened.

I would avoid trying to wow people with your personality in the initial email exchanges. There’s too much that can go wrong with that. Keep it as simple as possible. I would also avoid any references to how sassy or sarcastic you are. That’s another one of those buzz words I consider a red flag if I see it in a profile or in email exchanges. Sarcasm is extremely difficult to convey in writing. Which is why people who use it tend to tip their hand as to how lacking in self-awareness they are. I’m a god damn barrel of monkeys, but you won’t see blatant examples of that in my profile. I focus on aspects of my personality that I feel men find important – I’m kind, I’m nurturing, I’m healthy,  I’m intelligent, I’m strong,  I like sex. Boom. Done. I have my filters in place to ward off guys I know I won’t be compatible with offline. I still get the occasional message from a Beta type. Delete. Block. Not for me. For the most part I hear from and get responses/meet men my speed. The profile is the teaser. It’s not a bio or resume.

Neither men nor women should try to be flirty or sexy or funny or aloof at any time online.  Be cordial, be polite, be engaging,  be vague, don’t get into to much detail about personal history and movie it offline ASAP. Never invest too much time or effort in these messages. The goal is to get offline. Stay online too long and you’ll get too comfortable and develop unreasonable expectations.

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Elementary, My Dear Watson: He Just Wanted To Get Laid

Name: Eleanor
Age: 30
City: Carbondale
State: CO
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Comment: I’ve read your blog for a few months, but as a (potential) contributor, I’m a virgin…try to be gentle?

Everybody plays a fool…sometimes.

I live in the mountains in Colorado. It’s lovely, but remote- as you’d imagine -moving here as a single woman has yielded a wealth of professional growth, but not companionship. I soon figured out the bar scene was not the place to remedy this. And though it’s winter here, I’m one of few with no real interest (money to burn) in skiing or snowboarding. So I decided to try okcupid for a few months. (dun dun dun DUUUN!)

I went on a number of dates, nothing special. This was ok by me; we can find a value to each experience even if it isn’t the one we had in mind. One day, a man emailed me and we hit it off.

He was my age, articulate, into rugby, and Irish. Like me, he worked with computers, enjoyed dry wit, his presentation style was a bit blunt, he seemed to be looking for more than a one night stand. All appealing fare to me. Pretty soon, we graduated from email to text, then to phone. That week felt great, with calls each night lasting near to dawn; it had been a long time since I’d felt any sort of connection with a man. Yes, I’ll admit it: we had phone sex. Once. Barring stigmas, it was grand fun, and no regrets!

Then he asked to see me. But in order to do so, he’d have to drive 4 hours. We talked about it for a while, neither one wanting to over-step any boundaries, deciding in the end that we wanted to meet. My apartment is a separated basement level of a home in which the family I rent from lives, and they would be a wall away. Anyway, my intuition told me I didn’t have cause for worry. I offered to make dinner for us there.

The night came, and he arrived. I served us drinks and cooked while we talked. By the time dinner was in the oven, he asked to kiss me, and I said yes.

Most people can recall a few times where an attraction was unmistakable, a tension hanged in the air, building to the point where a simple gesture comes on like a collision. Make fun if you want, it was a great feeling. Familiar with the nature of passion as I am, I knew it likely wouldn’t last, and that perhaps it was only a feeling I had in my head, in my body…and all the other things about red flags, people just saying things to get sex, and the rest. I make choices knowingly that I can live with. I felt I could talk to this guy, and I liked him enough, to be open and see what happened. It was not my first rodeo.

I don’t use sex as a tool for respect. If it feels right to me in the moment, and I can accept whatever the consequences might be, then I’m in. I don’t give credence to any double standards between the sexes in regards to the quickness of sex. I’m selective, with changing wants and needs over time, and according to each circumstance. My ideal is a lasting companionship- but delaying sex an arbitrary amount of time is not going to make that possibility more likely, nor will it determine, in my mind, whether or not a mutual respect exists between two people. If it feels right, I’m go for take off, working with the information I have at the time.

Needless to say, he stayed the night. We were in bed for hours, and to this day, I don’t feel bad about it.
Though by now any astute reader has caught on to my use of the past tense as foreshadow; for, why else would I be writing this? The truth is, I have begun to seriously doubt my ability to judge men, to read what people are doing when I’m inside the situation. With someone else, I can see it a mile away- but when it’s me, clouds descend. I have been in bad relationships and good ones. I’ve had experience with abuse. All I want is to seek, in earnest, perspective on how I might improve upon that seeming ineptness on my part.

Before the date, he pursued me. After, he did not. Except in text message form. He phoned one time after we met, one time alone- when I basically insisted we speak and not text, the week I had a car wreck and health issues spring up simultaneously. He said I shouldn’t question his motives based on something as trite as phoning- but on his actions in the long run. He said he didn’t have enough minutes on his phone, he hated talking on the phone anyway, and he was simply too busy with his 2 kids and work to call. We were having lengthy quasi-discourses via text, to the point where the blatant irony of it stared me stupidly in the face. The simple truth to me was: I wasn’t a priority.

I asked if he’d like to meet again, and he said, if he could borrow his brother’s car and could afford it, during an upcoming weekend. That weekend came 2 weeks later, and went. He grew volatile with me when I wanted to do more than text, more than once, threatening to “cut it off”, unless I could give him a reason he should “roll the dice on me”.

I told him I couldn’t make him care about me; either he did or didn’t, and I didn’t understand the anger in his responses. I asked him what he wanted, and never got a straight answer.

Several days go by and I don’t attempt to reach him. Valentine’s Day comes, and that evening he texts saying he’s sorry it’s been a few days since he was in touch, but apparently he had a stroke. I sympathize with him, tell him I’m here if he wants to talk, and nothing changes. Several more days pass, and then the message comes: “So this is a fresh start is it?”

I never answered. I didn’t hear from him again. I’m fairly certain he just didn’t give a shit, or just wasn’t in a good place to consider anything with a woman who lived 4 hours away anyway, wasn’t into me, or whatever. Before we’d even met, he said he was “falling for me fast”. The night we had our date he told me: “Only one kind of guy does my job for a living- an asshole.” His job- by the way- not in computers, as his profile attests, but as a bouncer for a night club. I didn’t really know him at all.

I’ve been feeling a bit down on myself for playing pony to him- I ended up apologizing during his temperamental outbursts related to our text-only interactions- while he proclaimed I was delusional and didn’t “know how these things work in the real world”. Again, for wanting us to speak by phone, not just text.

I deleted my okcupid profile. I started thinking I have no clear idea of how to tell if someone’s being sincere. Truthfully, I feel stupid and a little hurt. But I know there are men out there who feel this way too, and I’m not harboring any sexist resentment. I take responsibility for my actions.

I know the adage about actions, not words. I know about red flags; I saw some of them here. I know that it is more or less smarter for women (especially one who currently feels vulnerable) not to initiate things with a man, and I’m not. I only put a month’s worth of time into this whole thing, before walking away. But it would be much more worthwhile if I could choose more wisely from the start.

Does a woman’s willingness to engage sexually early on represent to most men as: no assembly required? Or have I yet to simply find one who is into me? What should I work on in myself, in order to send out the signals I mean to, to those I mean to?

 

If it feels right to me in the moment, and I can accept whatever the consequences might be, then I’m in.

Orly? Because the 1381 words above say differently.The problem here is that you are experiencing a profound cognitive dissonance. You tell yourself how okay you are if the sex turns into nothing more, but you’re clearly not. Let me break this scenario down for you, as it’s not nearly as unique or uncommon as you’ve imagined it to be in your head. Ready?

This guy is down and out and has no options. He met someone woman who sounds to be equally, shall we say, unsettled and forgiving. He’s broke, works some menial wage job, has little money, etc. Guess what? He rarely gets laid. That’s why he was willing to drive 4 hours for sex. There was not some incredible gravitational pull forcing you two together. This wasn’t fate or kismet or happenstance.

The problem isn’t online dating or that these men are shady. For the most part, these guys reveal exactly who they are. The problem is that people often refuse to challenge assumptions or perform the slightest bit of critical thinking.I loathe trite expressions about how women should watch a man’s actions, not his words. This is a perfect example why sayings like that are misleading. This guy drove four hours, which to many women would say that he was genuine and interested. Except he wasn’t. He was desperate. Don’t just look at someone’s actions. Compare those actions to what you know to be typical or “normal” and ask yourself why someone would behave in such a way. Observe. Compare. Deduce.

Someone submitted a story a few months ago about a guy she met online who was, in her words, “The OK Cupid Unicorn.” This unicorn, this catch, managed to multiple nights free in succession. Now, if he were the unicorn she believed, wouldn’t it stand to reason that this guy had other women just as interested? That’s what critical thinking is is all about. Don’t just take what is presented to you at face-value. Examine it.

You should also examine your own motives. To me, you seem to just want attention. Hence the insane length of this letter and all of the unnecessary details and rational and reasonable thinking. There’s the cognitive dissonance again.You knew the whole time that this wasn’t a productive experience. You pursued it any way. Why?

You got caught up in the attention. That’s what you miss. Not the guy himself. You miss the attention. That’s why you’re here. You are trying to fill that void. That’s also probably why you had this experience in the first place. The fact that you even entertained a guy 4 hours away tells me you weren’t looking for much beyond a little drama and attention.

 

 

 

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True or False: A Woman Can Get Laid Whenever She Wants

On the topic of women who seek casual/nsa/non-monogamous sex/relationships, G. writes:

“I’d say there are two assumptions:  one is that a woman, no matter what she says, is always “looking” for a more-than-sexual relationship should one present itself and two, as you said, is that a woman can get “just sex” pretty much anytime she wants, without much effort.  So, a woman who seeks “causal sex” or selects it on her profile is suspect.” – G. , Male, 37, NYC

Thoughts?

I think there is some truth to this. However, I think the men who might see these women as suspect probably would have eventually rejected them anyway. If they can’t take a woman’s choice to seek casual sex at face value then that speaks to their pre-conceived ideas about women in general. Seeking sex in some form is merely an outlier of the woman’s personality and belief system. These women would not be compatible with a man who felt she should keep certain carnal desires to herself. Or these guys have a general mistrust of women. Either way, why bother with such men?

Yes, it’s pretty easily to just get sex if that’s what you want. But it’s even easier if you use online dating. Sure, a woman could go out to a party or a bar if she liked. But what if she can’t be bothered to do that? What if she doesn’t have that kind of time or money? What’s wrong with optimizing her online dating experience by using it to find sex? I’m guessing the issue is it’s because she’s being overt about it. See my previous point.

I do agree that “just sex” to men and “just sex” to women is often different. A lot of men are less discerning. As we said last week, for many men attraction isn’t even necessary. I don’t know if many women share that opinion or experience. For some men, “casual ” just means available. When some woman seek “casual” they also often seeks consistency and a sense of companionship or just rapport. But they can want those other aspects without wanting commitment. I guess the segment of men who believe that is just small?

I’m curious to hear what others think about G’s quote.

 

 

 

 

 

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Can You Find The Real Deal On An Online Dating Site?

Name: Clare
Age: 40
State: Belfast
Question: I recently met a man I really like on line, I have lots of other guys texting me but I get a real buzz when this guy does, he is funny and articulate and when he phones to speak to me we are on the phone for hours, but I have been separated now for 4 years. When I initially split with my husband I had met a guy online that I liked but was very needy and vulnerable and I frightened him off, I really don’t want to do that again.

He lives in another country, but as he is quite wealthy he has said he is going to come back here for a few months to spend some quality time with me, to see if there is anything behind what we have, when he went home he text  me within to days with his new mobile number to let me know he was back.

We didn’t sleep together as I’d met him on line and wasn’t comfortable about it and he respected that, but the more we got to know each other the better we get on. As I have been out of the dating game for so long, I’m not sure about anything any more, who texts first etc I really don’t want to appear as vulnerable, as I am a much stronger person now, but should we create mystery about ourselves, if so for how long? And is it possible to find the real deal on a dating site ?

 

Yes, I think it’s possible to find the real deal on a dating site. It just depends on what your definition of “the real deal” is. As I said last night in the comments, I’ve had a great deal of luck with online dating. But that’s mainly due to the fact that I’m not looking for long term commitment. I do a pretty good job of weeding out the time wasters. There’s the occasional gaffe, but they are very few and very far between. I have not had many of the stereotypical “bad online dates” we hear so much about on the internet. That’s only because I don’t go out with every guy who shows interest and know exactly what I want. I think people, especially people over 35, who join online dating sites looking for long-term commitment are going to be sorely disappointed. Long Term commitment no longer means moving in together or marriage. It means dating more than 6 months or so. Appropriate your expectations, learn how to filter and read people and embrace/understand your audience and you’ll have great success with online dating.

Unfortunately, I don’t this guy is the real deal. The wealthy man from another country schtick reeks of scammer or Man of Mystery type who flies around the world bedding women out of boredom. Since you admit that you are vulnerable, that cements my impression of this man even more. That is what these types specifically seek out. There are likely some clues to this vulnerability in your profile,too. If you have any mentions of being separated or unsure/hesitant in any way, that’s why draws men like this to you. As a commenter recently said, just because you and this guy got on well doesn’t mean he was actually interested in you. He was being polite. If he truly is wealthy and has the expendable cash flow to fly and meet you, I’m guessing he has just as many options a stone’s throw away from his WiFi spot. Therefore, why isn’t he dating one of those women if that’s what he actually wants? If he doesn’t have any options closer, then why?

Don’t fall into the trap of assuming that, because a guy stuck after he didn’t get sex, that means he’s “truly” interested. What else was he going to do? He was stuck somewhere unfamiliar and probably didn’t have anywhere else to go or anyone else to talk to. Trust me, he was hoping for and even expected sex. People don’t fly hundreds of miles for good conversation. I wouldn’t hold your breath hoping to see this guy again. He very well might text and chat with you, but you have dropped down the priority list.

As far as whether or not mystery is important, I say yes. That’s why you shouldn’t spend too much time communicating, flirting or otherwise “bonding” with someone you’ve only met online. It builds a false sense of security. It also makes you more vulnerable to those who might not be on the same page.  You’ll get too comfortable and share things you probably shouldn’t share, which leaves you open to being tricked or bamboozled.

Going forward, I would avoid the rich jet setter types who live far away. My instinct says that 50% of those men are looking for the low hanging fruit, and the other 50% can’t find a woman close to them due to a critical personality flaw.

 

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Why Does He Want To Wait To Have Sex?

question….what are your thoughts on a guy who is into a girl immediately and ‘commits’ to an exclusive relationship within 2-3 weeks of meeting however, wants to wait until it feels right to have intercourse.

He loves giving oral to his GF even though she doesn’t reciprocate nearly as much due to some past issues/concerns she has….he’s pretty tolerant and respectful of that……she totally loves receiving oral from him and expresses her extreme satisfaction…..   what would you think about a girl that gets frustrated by the guy not having intercourse yet and also what would you think about this girl who then won’t even allow fooling around to go beyond kissing because she feels ‘tortured’ by receiving oral and some other play but isn’t allowed to have sexual intercourse because he’s not ready yet…..- A., Male,38, NYC

 

Since I know you and since we’ve had a conversation about this specific issue before, I want to include something that you left out of the story. Your hesitation surrounding having sex too soon is mostly rooted in your fear of getting a woman pregnant. You’ve told me this. When you first told me about this hesitation I have to be honest and say that I thought it sounded like an irrational phobia. I strongly urge you to talk about this with a professional. If you’re being responsible and safe and you educate yourself on ovulation and conception, then you don’t really have anything to worry about.

If she’s getting off, then I don’t understand her frustration. She committed to you without the sex. Unless you promised her that you two would fully consummate the relationship once you and she were exclusive, I don’t understand why she’s so bothered. That is, unless this relationship has been going on for several months without intercourse. That’s a problem.  I also don’t understand how you can be so blase about the fact that she refuses to give you head citing “past issues.” The bottom line is that either she doesn’t like giving head and doesn’t feel a need to return the favor despite all the effort you make to please her OR she’s withholding oral until you give her intercourse. Either possibility is a bad sign.There should never be any withholding of affection in a relationship. If she cared for you, she’d at least try.  I’m just not sure how connected you and she could be when your relationship lacks such a fundamental form and expression of intimacy. Right now, it sounds like sex is just a tool for you two to climax and that’s it. That’s childish.

Another red flag is that you’ve committed to her 1) after 3 weeks of dating 2) without having sex with her. As I’ve said before, men who typically jump head first into relationship usually do so because they have a critical flaw that they wish to hide. They want to lock the woman in and dazzle her with their willingness to commit, knowing that’s what most women want.

I think both you and she need to be honest with yourselves and each other that sex is not much of a priority. Therefore, all this fretting and wondering is a waste of time. I don’t buy that she’s frustrated at the lack of sex. I think that works for her, actually. If she were so sexual that a lack of intercourse bothered her, it stands to reason that she would engage in whatever she could to fill that void while she waited for you to be ready. She might believe that she’s frustrated at the lack of intercourse, but I’m guessing she’s quite relieved. She doesn’t have to go down on you and doesn’t have to have intercourse. She got you to commit without having to have sex. Sweetheart, you’re the typical Manhattan single woman’s wet dream.

Maybe you don’t like having sex with condoms and that’s why you hold off. I don’t know. What I do know is that without sex, you two are engaging in a high school version of a relationship. People who like and enjoy sex have it. You two aren’t having it. You both agreed to be exclusive without knowing if you sexually satisfy each other. This is the typical outcome of situations like that.

There are some alarming physical, interpersonal and emotional disconnects going on here. That does not bode well if you hope to have a mature and healthy adult relationship.

 

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Mystery vs. History

Last night’s episode of How I Met Your Mother inspired an interesting conversation between my friend and I. In this installment of the series, the main character, ted, had a first date with a woman he met at a bar. He immediately regretted telling his friends Robin and Barney because they are firm believers in the need to vet and Google all of Ted’s dates. The audience is then treated a series of flashbacks of Ted on a date and receiving a phone call from Barney or Robin with some sort of dark secret about Ted’s date. Of course, despite all of these “shady” revelations that include past obesity and criminal records, Ted sleeps with the women any way. Duh.

For this date with the woman at the bar, Ted makes Robin and Barney promise not to Google or Facebook stalk her. He then approaches his date and suggests that he and she have an “old fashioned’ date, where neither of them do any sort of Internet research on the other. She agrees. Which immediately makes Barney and Robin assume she’s hiding something.

Cut to the date and Ted and the woman both struggle to find things to talk about. Eventually they both admit to being nervous and conversation starts to flow easily.  Back at home, Barney and Robin are furiously scouring the web looking for information about Ted’s mystery date. Oh, they find something scandalous alright. Ted’s date was an Ivy League graduate who donated her liver to a stranger, inherited a billion dollar fortune and saved a drowning baby from a river. They text Ted a link to his date’s website. He struggles with whether or not to click. He does. He finds out about all of his dates accomplishments and becomes intimidated. He spends the rest of the date trying to measure up and compete with her. Now he has an image of her in his head based on a bunch of one dimensional articles. The date takes a bad turn, she leaves and Ted is sitting alone at the table knowing he blew a great date with an impressive woman.

I’ve mentioned before how I don’t Facebook friend, Twitter follow or Google any dates or men that I date. If they’re up to no good, I’ll sense it pretty quickly. The main reason I don’t do any of those things is that I want to build an impression of someone based on first hand experience, not a bunch of copy on a web site. People screw up and make mistakes. I find those things far more telling and interesting.

It’s hard to date in a time when we’re all so accessible. Depending on how much we share, we run the risk of people forming partial impressions of who we are. Take the example from last night’s post. The guy in that story had built up an idea of who I was because of this website. He made little effort to flesh out my particular character. The one dimensional image in his head was enough to prevent him from seeing me as a full person. Let’s say that you were really rich, famous or powerful. How would you feel if all your dates focused on your money and connections and made little effort to get to know you as a person? Exactly. It’s not fun. You start to wonder if they like you for you. Those quirks that he said he wasn’t sure he could get past were ones that he gleaned from reading posts, not talking directly to me. Once that image was in his head it was hard to get past it or convince him otherwise.

I’ve tapered back on the number of questions I ask dates. I figure that they will share what they want to share when they want to share it. I have yet to be bamboozled out of money, kidnapped or physically harmed. Sure, I’ve had the rare bump or bruise to my ego. But for the most part I have come out unscathed. I find not knowing too much makes the process that much easier.

The unfortunate part of being me is that I know that most innocuous comments aren’t really innocuous. Put them together and you have a certain picture in your head. It’s unfortunate but many of us have preconceived ideas associated with certain characteristics and criteria.

You work in finance? Self-important douche.

You’re a lawyer? Self-important, argumentative douche.

You make and sell your own line of handbags/headbands? Trust fund baby.

That’s why I try to avoid asking too many questions and don’t do any recon on my dates. I want to get to know them first-hand and build my perceptions based on those interactions. Through poking around online or digging too deep, I’m inevitably going to find something out that will give me pause. I’d rather have a more well rounded idea of who someone is before I do that.

Here’s an example: I’ve been going to the same dentist for about 10 years. I love him. He’s done exceptional work and has always been sensitive to my fear of dentists that began when I was a kid. I have been in and out of dentists offices since I was about 4 years old. I ended up having to Google him a few weeks ago to get his new number. Of course I come across a few Yelp review that were negative. Now instead of going into that appointment carefree, I was in a panic. Even though this doctor had been so good with me in the past, I had to get past those negative review. That was the first time in the ten years of my visits that I felt any pain during a procedure. Why? Because I had built up an image in my head. That doctor had to regain my trust, even though he didn’t know it.

This is why I tell all my profile review clients who use OK Cupid to stick to the softball questions that are asked that help gauge compatibility. Avoid revealing things that will likely make someone think twice or fill in the blanks with their imagination. There’s nothing more counter-productive than manufacturing someone’s back story based on some Facebook profile photos and tweets. I can assure you that you only have half the story. We share publicly what we want people to see and believe.

Like I said to Heather the other day, people are judgemental. This idea that someone should get to know you for you and not what you share on the internet is naive. That’s not how most people function these days. Certain things revealed will conjure up an image for some people. Those things can also attract the wrong people. The solution, of course,is quite simple. Share little to nothing that could be construed as provocative OR accept that 75% of the people that find you online will be repelled or disingenuous in one way or another. I accepted a long time ago that I was going to make a choice between what mattered more: my career or finding a guy. After weighing pros and cons and determining what was more likely to bring me the security and sense of accomplishment I needed to be happy, I chose this. I then re-appropriated my expectations and efforts, which eventually made my dating life exponentially easier. This blog doesn’t present me as particularly feminine. Quite the opposite. My insight into how men think combined with my demeanor make it difficult for men to see me as feminine. It’s a constant struggle, but one that I’m at least aware of and trying to rectify. I go into dates knowing that. It doesn’t hurt to get feedback on how a casual observer might perceive you based on what they find online.

I realize that many people have become dependent on the idea of Googling and all that. I guess what I’m suggesting is to remind yourself, as you’re traipsing through their online pantie drawer, that you don’t have the full picture. Before you let your mind run wild and all those insecurities and judgements come out, remember that what you see before you on Facebook or Twitter is a one dimensional representation of that person.If you’re not going to make the effort to get to know the person, then that should reveal how interested you were in the first place and what attracted you to that person.

To those who share and overshare, always anticipate the forthcoming judgments that will come your way. You might think, in the moment, what you’re saying is scathingly brilliant and funny and interesting. But before you click send or submit take those 3 seconds to ask yourself how this will make you look. Don’t be so eager to be written about on a blog. Think before you speak when you’re interviewed. Consider the ramification of what impressions certain photos will make.

Bad judgement is not something that people easily forgive.

 

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Is Online Dating The Reason Many Men Don’t Want To Commit?

One of my Twitter followers sent me an interesting article today. The piece discusses the possible negative impact that online dating has had on monogamy and commitment.

In the past, Jacob had always been the kind of guy who didn’t break up well. His relationships tended to drag on. His desire to be with someone, to not have to go looking again, had always trumped whatever doubts he’d had about the person he was with. But something was different this time. “I feel like I underwent a fairly radical change thanks to online dating,” Jacob says. “I went from being someone who thought of finding someone as this monumental challenge, to being much more relaxed and confident about it. Rachel was young and beautiful, and I’d found her after signing up on a couple dating sites and dating just a few people.” Having met Rachel so easily online, he felt confident that, if he became single again, he could always meet someone else.

This feels like a “which came first: the chicken or the egg?’ scenario to me.  It’s no secret that online dating encourages a shopping cart mentality amongst its users. People join a dating site in the hopes of meeting people for….whatever. Sex. Love. Casual love. Once they complete a profile, it takes but a matter of minutes to hours to receive attention. Yes, online dating creates the idea that our options are limitless. Just like the media creates the idea that if we buy the latest version of of iPhone our lives will be that much easier and more complete. The concepts of supply and demand and the law of scarcity have existed for centuries. Online dating didn’t manufacture them. They already existed. All online dating did was provide us with a platform in which we could meet people. It’s up to the individual user whether or not they decide that commitment or casual sex is for them. If someone is conditioned to leave a relationship at the first sign of trouble, isn’t that more about how they viewed commitment and monogamy in the first place?

From the sounds of it the lead character in this article, Jacob, wasn’t really inclined to desire commitment in the first place. He stayed in unsatisfying relationships because that was a more appealing alternative than being alone or regularly masturbating. Are we to overlook the fact that Jacob was also an only child? Gee, you mean someone who grew up never having to share or compromise or argue with a peer isn’t good at relationships? Color me stunned. A man who doesn’t feel compelled to commit to just one woman? File that under “No shit, Sherlock.” What online dating did was enable an already preexisting condition. For many men, more vagina = more gooder. For many women, more dates = more attention.

It’s interesting that the article doesn’t focus on both a female and a male subject. Has online dating fostered a similar lax attitude towards monogamy and commitment in its female users? Based on the letters I receive and stories I hear, that would be no. The women on Twitter or Facebook or blogs frequently mocking the “nice guy” or coming up with excuse after excuse for turning down a second date, to me, seem to be exerting a false sense of vindication and control. Did that chip on their shoulder start with online dating? I don’t think so. I think these women always harbored warped ideas about love, sex, men and commitment and I think those seeds were planted long before they scoffed at their first Wink. That thinking was borne from years of being told they could do better by well meaning or sabotaging girlfriends.

It’s too easy to blame online dating for society’s evolving ideas surrounding commitment and monogamy. What I believe turned people away from monogamy and commitment wasn’t a collection of profiles. It was the habitually piling evidence that maybe, just maybe, what we were taught about relationships and sex is antiquated and counter-productive. None of these so-called benefits that existed 20, 30, 50 years ago no longer apply. Societal views and morals concerning these subjects are rapidly changing.

With divorce rates climbing can we really say that marriage is the expected course of action should two people meet and fall in love?

With the economy struggling and as more and more men remain out of work while women return to work can we really continue to believe that women need to marry for financial security?

With infidelity rates between men and women neck and neck are we still going to say that women are “hard wired” to be monogamous?

How can we continue to function under such beliefs when numbers don’t lie?

If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. Well, it’s broke. Only now people are choosing to fix it their own way rather than how they were told they should. Online dating didn’t serve as the breakdown in commitment and lack of interest in monogamy. We have simply evolved beyond what we were originally taught.

I come from a family where there is no divorce. My father had not one but two extremely successful and satisfying marriages. As such, I believe marriage is to be done once and you better pray you choose wisely and be prepared to fight the good fight. I was raised in a sexually repressed and religious household. Where did I learn about sex? From books and friends and movies. It was the exposure to and experience with these subjects that enhanced and changed my views. But in order for me to upgrade my line of thinking, I had to have been curious in the first place. There are plenty of people who are more than willing to accept what they are exposed to as the “right” way to live. There are others who challenge such views or desire more.

The medium that provides the exposure simply does just that. It’s the people who implement the strategy. I’ve met men who write profiles stating they want something casual only to turn out to want something more long term. I’ve also met men who write about wanting to find a partner but never appear to do so, as their profile stays active day after day, month after month, for years.

In my mind, it’s not the environment that online dating provides that is the problem. The true hurdle is certain user’s inability to accurately identify what it is they seek. That’s what makes it difficult for them to settle on just one person.

 

 

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