Your New Dating Mantra: Absolutely No Regrets

Name: PJ
State: NY
Age: 62
Story: Dear Moxie,

I love reading your blog and always get something to think about and question my dating behavior.

I’m  in my early 60s having been married for over 25 years, but now a widow for the last 10.  During that time I dated relentlessly, probably over 300 guys, some of which did turn into short term relationships.  (3 to 6 months), with the exception of my last boyfriend.  When we met he showered me with lots of attention, went to a lot of places, concerts, dinners, movies and family get meetings.  After  6 months of dating I moved in with him, we had been seeing each other almost every night as it was, with me staying over.

He then informed me that he was going back to school, he is 20 years younger, to get his PhD, at first I was a little put off, because I really wanted a companion to do things with, maybe even travel, I know unrealistic expectations, has always been my Achilles’s heel.  But after dating so many men and not making a connection I thought I should be more supportive…At first it wasn’t too bad since the program wasn’t hard for him, but in the second year he began staying overnight at Lab {studying to be an organic chemist)  I was seeing him less and less. Things began getting strained with his temper flaring up at little things, he is super neat, and I am like Oscar Madison …he would yell “get out”, and then I saw he was writing emails to women on  dating sites.

At first I thought he was just looking for attention,  he is a Leo, they seem to crave attention, but then I found that he had gone out with someone and other signs,  pictures of him and her etc.  I moved out in February after two years,, I had kept my own apartment with the help of roommates.  I was hurt by the betrayal and vowed not to have contact with him.  But
he wrote me constantly, saying how sorry he was that he wasn’t sleeping with the other woman that she was just a friend, and that he doesn’t see her anymore.

Being an optimist and more of a romance addict, I started seeing him again, and spending nights at his place.  I remember your comment when you wrote OK Cupid that they should have a section where one can find more local guys.  This guy lives 20 blocks from me, 99% of the guys that write me are from other states or boroughs.  I’ve tried to have an open mind about dating out of townees, but seeing someone in Manhattan is so much easier.  I’ve tried to meet guys from here but they don’t seem to respond, I guess they are much more independent living in the city.

There are two guys that I have seen, one is older 73, who is dating another woman, but he constantly calls me, haven’t slept together, and so far we have had 5 dates,  due to meet next week.  He is easy to talk to and a recent divorcee, he says that the woman he is dating doesn’t want anything serious and that bothers him.  There is another guy 55 who has been writing me, he is in London on a business trip, we haven’t met yet, but he sends great emails, and we talk sometimes on the phone, hopefully he is really interested in dating, there are so many guys that  just turn out to be pen pals..

So my question is, since I’m still sleeping with my old boyfriend,  whom I see once a week or so; he does makes lavish dinners, or sometimes we go to the movies, but then I don’t hear from him for days on end.  He says he can’t sleep with anyone else that he doesn’t want to meet women, and that I am his destiny??…He has never been married or in a relationship longer than 2 years, which  is usually a red flag…Am I just deluding myself?  Is sleeping with him keeping me from moving on to a more sincere relationship..You have a much more practical view on things, would love your feedback.
City: New York

 

.Am I just deluding myself? 

Yes. Yes you are. For starters, this guy is a leech. I said it the last time you wrote in about him and I’ll say it again. No man in his forties is genuinely interested in dating a woman in her sixties. No how, no way. You wanted practical advice? There. Boom goes the dynamite.

Next? He totally was cheating on you. And he’s still sleeping with other women. Again, unless he has some senior fetish, he’s not so captivated by sex with you that he can’t imagine putting his penis in a younger vagina. Not happening. If he doesn’t have a fetish or a Mommy fixation, he’s angling to be remembered in your will or something similar. No kids? No husband? Yeah, that sounds about right.

I’m sorry to be so abrasive here, but you’re 62 years old. You’re just too old to be this simple-minded. Look at your life right now: 62 and living with roommates dating some dude 20 years your junior who probably cons lonely older women out of cash. Is this what you wanted for yourself?

I was reading a blog the other day. The author was around my age and lives in NYC. Like the OP, she had literally hundreds and hundreds of online dates in her late thirties. I think she once quoted the count at about 400 or 500. Two years later, she’s STILL writing posts about the guys who did her wrong once upon a time and how she’s become so cautious and suspicious because of those experiences. Underneath the bravado the regret and sadness pokes through, like a broken bone that has torn through flesh . All those chances. All those opportunities. Wasted. All because she was stuck in the past and refused to acknowledge why things were the way they were. Maybe she’s happy. I don’t know. I just know that when I read her blog, I wonder if she ever looks back and wonders what might have been. I can’t imagine a worse fate. Especially when all of those experiences and thoughts and choices were documented and witnessed by a bunch of strangers.

Yes, sleeping with this guy is preventing you from meeting other more appropriate men. Between your reliance on astrological signs and your over all naivete, I’m guessing you’re not one for critical thinking and common sense.It’s never too late for that, PJ. You still have quite a bit of time ahead of you. Start now so you can create the life you want, free of remorse.

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Is This Cougar Being Used?

Name: Wendi
Age: 42
Website:
Question: I met a man a year ago on the Cougarlife website. He contacted me and said he was very interested in meeting me.  I’m 42 and he’s 26. I was surprised when he wanted a committed relationship about a month after we met. He’s from another country and doesn’t have his green card yet, although he’s been here for few years. He’s currentlY a grad student. He says he loves me and compliments me a lot and I like him a lot  but worried if he’s using me, for sex or money or whatever!

 

I don’t have any real idea what his intentions are.

Personally, I don’t see what a 26 year old man would want with a 42 year old woman. I mean, you met him on a website for Cougars. Doesn’t that tell you what he was seeking? Most people don’t join Cougar dating sites or Sugar Daddy sites for real companionship.

As for all the compliments, I wouldn’t read too much into that. I’ve mentioned before that I find effusive compliments disingenuous. Especially when they’re coming from some 26 year old guy who met me on a Cougar dating site. He saying nice things probably because he knows you want to hear them. Complimenting you greases the wheel so to speak.I don’t know where this all began, but a punch of these pick up programs seem to encourage men to compliment women they barely know. To me, that comes off as trying too hard. Either that or the person freely doling out the compliments is angling for something rather than just being themselves and being upfront. I’m sure some women like it. I’m just not one of them.

I do tend to believe that guys like this are “using” women for sex. But again, you advertised yourself as a Cougar. So you essentially presented yourself as someone looking to “use” a guy right back.

I was surprised when he wanted a committed relationship about a month after we met.

As you should be. Why would a 26 year old guy in NYC (with an accent, no less) be so quick to make that kind of sacrifice for a woman almost 20 years his senior? This guy could get laid left and right if he’s relatively attractive. Even if he’s a poor student.  The accent alone is a pantie dropper. So why would he be so willing to give up that variety for a much older woman? It doesn’t make sense to me. What does he get out of this? Sex? He can get that from a woman his own age or younger. So there has to be something more in this for him that is keeping him around. And I highly doubt it’s love or companionship. (Cue all the stories from women who have friends who married their much younger men and how omigod super happy they are. Super. Get back to me after they’ve been married 10+ years.)

It’s questions like this that women fail to ponder when their dream guy comes along and literally drops at their feet. They want to believe that The Universe has somehow delivered a gift to them as payback for all the disappointments and frustrations. Y’all know that I love me some God…but that’s not how God or The Universe works. We don’t accrue points that at some point get traded in for perks and bonuses. If something happens, it’s because it was either supposed to happen for a reason unbeknownst to us or it’s just a happening that occurred due to a series of conscious choices.

One of the most crucial dating skills someone can possess is critical thinking. You should not be opposed to challenging assumptions and questioning things that seem too easy or inconsistent with every other experience you’ve had.With experience you develop a baseline of what is “typical.”

For those who say I’m being cynical and jaded, need I remind you that the title of this column isn’t  “And That’s Why We Take Things At Face Value.”

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How Women Talk Themselves Into Dating Mr. Wrong

Name: Shelly
State: PA
Age: http://44
Comment: I recently met this guy who is actually an old friend (never romantically) of a girlfriend of mine.  She has proceeded to tell me all about his past (she hasn’t seen him in 20 yrs) to try to persuade me to stay away from him.

A little insight as to the mindset of my girlfriend, she just recently had a guy dump her in the most unkind way, so she is totally jaded towards men. She typically talks down on anything good anyone else has going on in their life. Which I truly believe is fueling her attitude regarding me and this new prospect.

Being that I like to form my own opinion about people, I went out on a few dates with him.  I did tell him the things that she had warned me about, to which he replied ” that was 20 years ago” she doesn’t know anything about me now.

Anyway, we hit it off much better than I had expected, he’s not typically the “look” that I would date but I, as I get older, am trying to change my mindset regarding looks, etc.

I have a great time with him, he is funny as hell!  But I still have my girlfriend chirping in my ear.

My question is since he is not typically the type I date, can all the other things that he has going for him compensate?

Also he is 38 and I am 44.
I think it can but I don’t want to disillusion myself.

Thanks!

 

A little insight as to the mindset of my girlfriend, she just recently had a guy dump her in the most unkind way, so she is totally jaded towards men. She typically talks down on anything good anyone else has going on in their life. Which I truly believe is fueling her attitude regarding me and this new prospect.

Okey dokes. Here’s the first red flag for me. You felt the need to throw your friend under the bus in order to justify why you’re dating this man. If you have to do that, it’s not a good sign.

I did tell him the things that she had warned me about, to which he replied ” that was 20 years ago” she doesn’t know anything about me now.

You told her what she said because you feared she was telling the truth. I don’t know what this guy allegedly did or didn’t do. I don’t know anything about him because you’re not telling me what she told you. (Second red flag, by the way.) Granted, he’s right that she doesn’t know him and that 20 years have passed and whatever he did he was apparently 18 years old. Lord knows we all did stupid things at that age.But without knowing what he did I can’t say if you should proceed with caution or not.

Anyway, we hit it off much better than I had expected, he’s not typically the “look” that I would date but I, as I get older, am trying to change my mindset regarding looks, etc.

Third red flag. You’re justifying your decision to date him. You know that saying you’re trying to broaden your horizons is going to win you points.

I have a great time with him, he is funny as hell!  But I still have my girlfriend chirping in my ear.

Okay. Had you not said all the other stuff you said and were there not some isolated red flags, I’d tell you to be cautiously optimistic and enjoy. But there’s something about this situation that feels off. It’s almost like maybe what your friend told you was something pretty damaging, something that might even scare you a bit, and you don’t want to think of yourself as “that” desperate that you’d date someone who did such a thing. When you confront someone with news that a friend has told them something bad about them, the typical response of someone who has matured or changed isn’t “well it was 20 years ago.” He very well could have had more of an explanation. But I’d think if he had expressed remorse, you’d have included that in your letter.

My question is since he is not typically the type I date, can all the other things that he has going for him compensate?

And all those other things would be….what now? Because other than he’s “funny as hell” you haven’t shared why this guy is so great. Fourth red flag.

Also he is 38 and I am 44.
I think it can but I don’t want to disillusion myself.

Fifth red flag.  The fact that you fear disillusioning yourself tells me that you know that you are.

I don’t know you, I don’t know this guy and I don’t know your friend. All I have to go on is this letter. As such, I have to say that you seem to be sticking with this guy because he’s out of your league somehow. (He’s younger, he’s “funny” aka charming. ) Personally, I don’t see anything wrong with a woman your age dating  a guy his age. Most women our age (38-45) date 37-50. A lot of us, especially those of us who know they don’t want kids and aren’t in a rush for marriage, have some wiggle room. But there’s a tone of desperation in this letter that I don’t like. You are trying very hard to discredit your friend over a guy you barely know. That’s what bothers me. It’s one thing to say that your friends said XYZ. But you’re qualifying those statements by criticizing her. That’s what we do when we know we’re doing something we shouldn’t.

My suggestion is to keep your head in the game and pay attention and recognize when you’re justifying his behavior or the relationship. You shouldn’t have to do that if the relationship and the man in question has real potential. Frankly, I find this kind of dating, when you’re waiting for the other shoe to drop, to be exhausting. Dating is supposed to be fun and this doesn’t sound fun. You sound anxious and unsure of yourself. Any time a man has that affect on a woman, she should walk away. That’s my general rule of thumb.

You can date this guy and have fun. But you know something is off.


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Guest Post -What’s So Bad About Casual Sex?

Name: Kami-O
Website: http://www.sexinthetwincities.com
Story: When I was in high school I was labeled as being the “slutty” girl because I’ve always done and slept with whomever I wanted. Sometimes it would evolve into a relationship and sometimes not, mostly not and that was fine with me.

Now I’m 41 and am very much the same way. Sometimes I’m with men to have a relationship, and sometimes for casual sex. Granted, I am very selective with whom I have sex with and how often. Keep in mind that I was with someone for quite a few years and spent quite a few years dating without sex and found the latter did not suit me.

I practice safe sex with everyone I’m with and I make no bones about what I want when it comes to my sexual relationships. When I’m in a committed relationship I am committed, period. I don’t cheat or play games. In fact I have never cheated in any of my relationships – ever. Yes, I would rather have a committed relationship with someone, but as you have read from previous entries, I don’t have a lot of luck in that area.
I’m not into breaking up marriages or relationships. I don’t help men cheat on spouses or g-friends (that I know of). I won’t be with anyone while they’re “in between”, “taking a break” or separated. So I do certainly have standards and rules when it comes to sex. I don’t play games or lead people on. I’m up front with how I feel and what my expectations are from the beginning. In fact, if it works out that we can have sex on a regular, non-committed basis, I actually set up expectations so both of us know what to expect going forward. No surprises, because, well, I don’t like surprises. I admit sometimes it gets messy, sometimes on my part if I get to personal or they get to personal with me. Sometimes I just disappear if it gets too heavy for me to handle. Never the best way to handle these things I know but I doubt I’ve broken a heart in the bunch.

With that being said, it pisses me off that women are deemed sluts and cougars when they have casual sex, for if it were a guy it would be no big deal. It would be expected that they should be having sex with less consideration, respect, and play games while treating women like shit. I do understand not all men are like this, there are, as always, exceptions to the rule. I’m trying to point out the stereotypes between men and women that sadly still exist.
I hate that it’s still expected that women should fall in love, marry and have children, for not everyone wants that. While yes, everyone wants to be loved and be in love, and I’m certainly no different in that respect. Am I going about finding love the right way? No, probably not, but who says you can’t have your needs met while finding that special person? It won’t make finding them quicker, neater, better or hurt less.

Point being here, is that as long as everyone involved is under the same understanding, and no one is being hurt, it shouldn’t be a problem. Some may have a moral issue with it, well, then, so be it. You do your thing and I’ll do mine. Some may ask if I even like myself or doing this must make me an insecure person. I like myself, a lot actually. Am I insecure? Absolutely; but not anymore than the average 40-ish woman out there. I have body issues like other women and I might not be the hottest chick out there, but I’m smart, a good person and have a really great, full life with great family and friends. I think that speaks volumes.

I have never lived my life with regret, why would I start now and why should you?

City: Minneapolis
State: MN
Age: 41

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