What’s Up With These Awful OK Cupid Messages?

Name: APralph3
Comment: I’ve recently joined OkayCupid and I’m a little baffled at bit of behavior I’ve seen and was hoping for some insight.

Living in the Midwest I feel that the dating experience for gay men and women is a little more limited when compared to our straight counterparts.  I recall recently reading about a study that said over 61% of same-sex couples say they’ve met partners through and online dating sites compared with just 13% of opposite-sex partners.  I realize for a smaller community of people connecting online allows users to meet a greater number of people more quickly than they would in person and this avenue includes a lesser risk of rejection as well.

Since rejoining the online dating world I’ve received a fair number of emails that have caught me off guard.  For example…

“Hi. I saw that you visited my profile and just wanted to see what was goin’ on. :)

“Couldn’t help but notice you checked out my profile. I returned the favor. I think you did a nice job of filling it out. Its good to know you still have all you non essential appendiges, lol. Would be interested in getting to know you sometime. Message me back if you like.”

Moxie, I’m confused.  Admittedly, I’ve been out of the online dating loop for a while but is this what communication has boiled down to?  It’s not so much the content that has me confused, it’s how both people began their emails.  Remember in middle school when kids would pass those “Do you like me? Check Yes, No or Maybe” notes around?  This seems to be a more grown-up, passive-aggressive version of that.

I’m glad that I’m receiving ANY replies to my profile but it’s the tone of these that bother me so much.  Is this how people start conversations online these days?  I could care less if these guys chose to contact me because they saw me on their Visitors list but what happened to basic social skills?  Would these guys walk up to someone in public and say “I saw you glance at me across the street and thought I’d say hi”.  Would these people still have messaged me if they HADN’T seen my profile on their Visitors list?  It feels like the online equivalent of the guy in the corner of a bar waiting for someone to make eye contact so they can start a conversation.

I feel it’s worth mentioning that normally the senders of these emails are not the type of people I would choose to contact myself.  Very low Match %, doesn’t match my stated preferences in my profile, etc.

Moxie, should I reply to these emails?  If I do, what should I even say?

I try to make it a point to reply to every email I get (within reason) and in doing so I’ve established some great friendships with people I don’t consider compatible with myself on a romantic level.  Is it wrong for me to be so off-put by how these guys chose to contact me?  I’m normally not so uptight just confused about the lack of basic social skills and tact.

Your thoughts would be appreciated.
Age: 28
City: Omaha
State: Nebraska

 

I see absolutely nothing wrong with the messages that were sent to you. These guys are smart. They’re going through their visitors and contacting people who viewed their profile. That’s what online daters should be doing rather than sending a bunch of random messages to people who haven’t initiated some for of interest.

I’m not sure what it is you’re expecting with these emails. And that’s your problem. You’re expecting something more, something different. Why? Because you feel these guys whose league you feel you are out of should be working harder to impress you. If the guy sending the note was hot, you wouldn’t care what they did or didn’t say. That’s the bottom line.

What’s truly bothering you is that you’re not hearing from the guys you want to hear from. That’s it. The rest is just your way or rationalizing why these men you perceive as schlubs are reaching out to you. The tone of the messages aren’t the issue, nor do these men appear to be lacking communication skills. These guys wrote messages that don’t appear to be cut and paste jobs. They mentioned something specific to you that demonstrated that they’re not just sending notes to anyone who looks at their profile.

Nobody is going to be bending over backwards to write you some Jane Austen-inspired salutation. Sorry, you’re just not that special or important. You, like pretty much everybody else who dates online, are nothing but a number. Welcome to our nightmare. Jump in, the water is warm. You’re getting the same messages that we all get.

I try to make it a point to reply to every email I get (within reason) and in doing so I’ve established some great friendships with people I don’t consider compatible with myself on a romantic level.

Ugh. You’re one of those people. The people who say that they answer all their messages “to be polite.” For future reference it’s actually more socially appropriate to just not respond. The only people who whine about not hearing back from the people they message are the ones who feel slighted and take the whole online dating process way too personally. In the future, don’t send a message back to people just to tell them you’re not interested. Nobody wants to hear it.

There’s just something egregiously disingenuous about someone who replies to all their messages. Like they somehow get a thrill out of rejecting people or maybe want someone to ask them why they don’t think they’re a match. There’s a bit of a rush that comes with turning people down. Maybe you’re not on OK Cupid to meet someone. Maybe you’re their to reject people.

I think you’re expectations are way too high for online dating. At this point, people are just exhausted and don’t feel like crafting unique message after unique message. People are less concerned with capitalization and punctuation. Take whatever opening you can get, even the messages that just say “Hi” and don’t analyze it. It’s just one message. Not everybody gives good email. Unless someone writes in gibberish, indicating a multitude of issues, give them a chance.

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Why He’ll Have Sex With You But Won’t Date You

Name: Lindywomen-upset-after-sex-780x520
Comment: I met a guy through my work a while back. At first, he was just another customer, but he became a regular and so most of our staff got to know him by name, what he liked, chatted about little details in ours/his life, etc. I wasn’t interested at first, he’s younger than me, a little out of my league (he’s very built to my curvy size 12), and we didn’t seem to have that much in common. He’s very into the workout scene, martial arts, ultimate fighting. I’m not a gym fan (though I do work out at home), and I don’t really like violent sports. (Though I suppose you could argue all contact sports are violent in their own way.) But we carried on some harmless flirtation, goofing off when he’d come in. Whatever.

We became friends on facebook. He had a girlfriend, I had a boyfriend, but he would occasionally send me messages “Hey, what’s up?” after hours. They weren’t ever flirty, we’d talk about our weekend plans, comment on some event in the city, and move on. Skip to about 6-8 months later, I’m single, he’s single. I had, on occasion, invited him out when we’d message about weekend plans, not really expecting him to show, which he didn’t. Now we’re both single and he sends me another message, I invite him out and we start some heavy flirty, sexy chit chat, what have you. He doesn’t come out, already at a friends house watching “the fight,” but the next night we meet up specifically to hook up. It was the best sex of my life (so far).

We hook up again a few nights later, I texted him, went to his place again. He has yet to come to mine and we’ve hooked up a few times over a couple months. Some with me prompting through drunk texting.

I know where I went wrong with him. I started the whole thing off with sex. I don’t mean that in the way with sleeping with someone on the first date can be a bad lead in. I mean, there has been no date. It’s only been sex. And I also know that there won’t be a relationship with this guy, even if I want the opportunity. I’m not a complete idiot. If he wanted to see me outside of HIS bedroom, he would. Simple as that.

I don’t hear from him often (though he constantly likes my photos and comments on facebook), but I ran into him recently and we had an impromptu lunch. We flirted heavily, me trying to hold back because I don’t want to jump into this again with him knowing the results. I told him about some changes with my work, how my schedule is opening up, seriously as just to say I’m excited about the changes, and he sees it as an opportunity to “sort of” ask me out. I say “sort of” because we didn’t make definite plans. He says he’ll text me and we’ll go see a movie Friday. I did get texts from him earlier in the week. But Friday has come and gone with no word.

I realize that his flirtation and mention of a date was his way of trying to keep the door open for more hook ups. And if that’s all I wanted, I’d be okay with that. So of course, since I want more, I’m disappointed. But that really isn’t my question.

I gave this guy the wrong impression. I started it out with sex, combined with a few drunk texts, he seems to think I drink a lot, an obvious turn off by his comments in conversation. But truth is, I really don’t. When he and I were hooking up, I was dealing with a rough situation with a friend, and was going out to distract myself. He just got caught in the drunk text blur.

I know I can’t salvage a potential something besides sex with this guy, even though I’d like to, but my question is: Is it worth my time to try and explain my actions to him, even when I know it won’t make a difference relationship-wise?
Age: 28
City: Memphis
State: TN

 

No, it’s not. He’s not interested in anything more than an occasional hook up.  He’s made little to effort with you beyond Liking a Facebook status. You’re done the majority of the pursuing. When he’s available, he participates. When he’s not, he doesn’t. It sounds like you kind of force situations and conversations and he just sort of goes with it to be polite or if he’s horny. Hence his half-assed plans for the movie on Friday.

You can belabor this for as long as you’d like.  It has nothing to do with how things started off or your drinking or any other combination of mishaps that has created this Perfect Storm in your head. He’ll have sex with you, but he’s not interested in dating you. That’s it. Side note: Anybody who makes snarky comments about whatever lifestyle choice you make, be it religion or drinking or whatever, is a douche. Tell him to take his pious bullshit elsewhere. He enjoys watching grown men punch each other in the face. That’s not exactly high brow entertainment. That’s a step above cock fighting.

There are plenty of reasons for why this turned out the way it did. It could be that he’s just not looking for anything too heavy or obligated right now. Or it could be that he doesn’t feel you have enough in common to have a full-fledged relationship. Or, and gird your loins folks, it could be that he’s attracted enough to you to have sex with you but not enough to actually date you.

I’m reminded of this gem of a comment from that atrocious Thought Catalog piece about “skinny minnie” speeddating:

And best of all, heavier women almost always want to please their men and really enjoy a man’s company. I’m serious, heavy women are great, not to say that thin women cannot be fun, but in my experience thin women are full of trouble and usually very high maintenance.

Translation: Fat girls try harder! Derp.

The brutal reality is that some guys actually think like that. Heavy girls are more desperate and eager to please, etc.

OP, I’m going to place my bet on the fact that he’s not attracted to you enough to date you. Either that or he places high importance on working out and staying “fit” and he thinks you don’t. Either way, this guy sounds like a flaming asshole. Stop talking to him, stop texting him and move on. Most importantly, stop looking for this guy’s approval, because you’re never going to get it.

He’ll take the sex when you offer it, but outside of that I’m not sure he’s terribly interested in you. The way this started did not play into how it turned out.

 

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Should You Ignore Dating Fatigue?

Name: WonderingKEYBOARDTEXT
Comment: I am a 49 female and recently divorced and did the online dating profile thing went out on a few dates and more or less concluded that dating does not appeal to me right now. I am balancing full time work and part time school so I do not have much free time and my long term goal is to relocate closer to an aging parent so I can be available to help and to enjoy quality time while I can. Is it normal to still be interested in men but not that excited about dating? I worry that the longer I put it off the more likely I will end up just giving up and I know from reading your column that you advise women in my age group to set the bar low. I am not delusional about myself, I am average looking and nerdy with a better than average job and I don’t think I am going to land some wealthy dude who travels the world and speaks several languages. Do I date just for the practice even though I have low motivation or is it wiser to wait until I am motivated? I am not even sure what my dating goals are, I went out with one man who told me five-seconds into meeting that he did not want to get married again and I responded ” um that is nice can I order my coffee first”.  I felt like mega rookie.  What do you think?
Age: 49
City: Memphis
State: TN

While I think it’s smart to take care of yourself in times of stress, I do think some harm can come from giving in to Dating Fatigue.

When everything was going on with my parents last summer/fall, I definitely lost interest in dating and sex. I felt like it was wrong for me to pursue anything romantic or sexual because of everything happening back home. Of course, the sadness and grief and all that stuff weighed on me, too. You find yourself feeling numb at times,  drained from all the emotion and worry and guilt and everything else that bubbles up to the surface in times like that.

It’s okay to cocoon yourself for a bit. I just wouldn’t do it for too long. Yes, you will probably end up getting so comfortable not dating that going back out there will be stressful. I ended up going on a date about right after my Step-mother passed away, a date I was going to cancel.I ended up meeting someone that I dated for several months. He sent me a text after the Boston Bombings to see how my family was, and we chatted about what he was up to. He had a new girlfriend, which I knew about because he had told me he had met someone who wanted what he wanted and he felt he had to pursue that. Which I understood. I walked away from that text exchange feeling a bit of regret, wondering if we had met at a different time, could I have given him what he wanted. The deaths of my Dad and step-mom were rough enough, but to learn that she had cut my sisters and I out of her will – something I know she knew would have crushed my father – really made me skeptical. You could love and adore someone your whole life, and they could still turn on you in the end. Even if you literally give your life for them. At the time, committing to someone seemed so pointless. Why? So you could just eventually betray me? No thanks. I’m slowly coming out of that place, but it’s a struggle.

Bu he’s happy, and I’m happy for him. I’m also grateful that I had him for the time that I did. He was a great source of comfort for me. And I think we need those people in our lives when we’re enduring heavy emotional stuff. Cutting ourselves off from that really just impedes our ability to be available. That’s why you shouldn’t engage in Dating Detoxes and Breaks and what not. It’s too easy to become completely closed off. There’s never going to be the perfect time. Ever. I know people – and I’ve done this myself – who say, “I’ll wait until I lose ten pounds/get a job/am totally over my ex to date.” That ideal point in time rarely ever comes. It’s just an excuse to not date and have to risk rejection. Date for the practice, date for the experience, date because it’s fun and a great way to meet new people. Just date. Don’t wait.

I went out with one man who told me five-seconds into meeting that he did not want to get married again and I responded ” um that is nice can I order my coffee first”.  I felt like mega rookie. 

Hah. He’s the rookie. Not you. He’s the one with issues. Not you. He had to unload all his junk on to you on your date. That’s a Bad Dater.

Also? Don’t try and decide what men will or won’t find attractive. There are so many guys out there who find nerdy girls beautiful and attractive. Truly. Don’t get in your head like that. Yes, it’s good to have appropriate expectations, but don’t completely cut yourself off at the knees like that. I’ve found that many women haven’t a clue what men actually find attractive or what they notice or don’t notice.

 

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Why Doesn’t She Have Custody of Her Kids?

Name: Lou

Comment: I have been online dating for a few years and I do not have any kids. Most women in my age range have kids. But I have come across Fearful peek over a table something that is new to me. The woman I am dating for 3 weeks now does not have residential custody of her kids. The kids (ages 6,10,12) live with their Dad in the house she used to live at also. She  moved out and now lives about a mile from the house and sees the kids every day for a few hours after school and on the weekends. They sometimes stay overnight with her at her apartment on the weekends. She works 9-3 at her job which allows her to spend some time with the kids after school before the Dad gets home from work. Since they have a babysitter, she is able to leave the house before he gets home since they (her and her ex) always end up arguing when they see each other in person.

I have never heard of a Mom not living with the kids. In every case, if the Dad did OK financially , he would be the one to move out and then pay child support and alimony so the kids could live with the Mom in the house. Every single/divorced Mom I ever dated, lived with the kids and the Dad has visitation rights. This scenario is completely reversed and I don’t know what to think.

I know this is a potential red flag. Or it may not be a red flag at all.   She seems really cool, the sex is good and we have fun when we are together.  But I know part of me is judging her and this arrangement. I was wondering where you and your readers came down on this topic.
Thank you.
Age: 46
City: Buffalo
State: NY

 

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Has Hanging Out Replaced Actual Dating?

Name: Christinebaddate

Comment: My question is: at what point should you become a top priority in the guy you’re dating’s life?

I’ve been seeing this guy for about 2 months. We met through okcupid. He’s 28, and I’m 26. Our first 3 dates were very nice – dinner followed by drinks at a bar. For our fourth date, he invited me to a party his friend was having. So, I got to meet a bunch of his friends (I think it went well). However, the next few times we met up were either late at night with his friends, or me meeting him after he’d already hung out with his friends. I have tried to be flexible about this, because he’s been flexible with me to an extent (there were a few times he wanted to meet up and I couldn’t because of work or prior commitments with my own friends, but I suggested alternative days, which he agreed to).

Last Friday night, he texted me around 8pm telling me he was going to dinner with his friends, and would be in touch later about when we could get together. I already had plans, so I told him I couldn’t do tonight but how about Saturday. He said that was fine. But Saturday, his idea of plans was to meet me at a bar after he (again) had dinner with his friends.

I agreed to meet him, and basically just told him that this arrangement wasn’t working for me. I said I wanted to get to know him better, and that that wasn’t going to happen if we were always meeting late at night or with his friends. He seemed to genuinely agree with me and apologized profusely. He chalked it up to his being “very immature”, and basically told me that it’s difficult for him to make me a priority over his guy friends whom he’s known for 10 years (since college), while he’s known me for only 2 months. He also mentioned how a lot of his guy friends are starting to get married etc and that he finds that scary, but that he understands it’s just a natural progression and that he probably needs to grow up and behave differently, and that he does like me a lot.

I asked if he’d be able to change his behavior, since I didn’t see a point in continuing this if not, and he said he wasn’t sure, and asked if he could think about it. I said “sure” (which seemed to surprise him – maybe he was expecting me to freak out or yell at him), and then suggested we leave and he could let me know.

So, we went our separate ways that night, and I really wasn’t sure whether I’d ever hear from him again. 2 days later, he texted me asking if I’d like to have dinner with him on Saturday at 8pm at a very nice restaurant. He didn’t directly address our prior conversation, but I was obviously thrilled, and took the dinner suggestion plus the early time as a sign that he did want to try with me.

Then, incredibly, on Saturday morning, he cancelled on me. He told me that he was unaware that three of his good college friends were in town on Saturday, and all of his friends had plans to meet up and that he didn’t want to miss this. He said we’d just move the dinner to another night. I said fine and have fun.

So, now I’m sitting here wondering what I should do. Do I just end it? I feel like with the Saturday invitation he took a step forward, only to immediately take 2 steps back with the cancellation. Or should I continue to see him hoping he becomes more attached and wants to spend more time with me?

Am I unreasonable to expect him to make me a priority after 2 months of dating? He does have a large group of friends that he seems very close with.

Or is he just not that interested? I don’t think he is seeing anyone else (based on his availability to see me on both Friday and Saturday sometimes).

If he’s not that interested, is there anything I can do to get him interested in me again?
Age: 25
City: New York
State: NY

 

I followed up with the OP and asked whether or not she was sleeping with this guy. Here’s her answer:

I went through every date in my head: We did sleep together on every date except the first and sixth dates (first because it was the first, and sixth because we were both way too drunk).

Before I get into my answer to this letter, let’s address the whole “I didn’t sleep with him on the first date because it was the first date, but I TOTALLY boned him on the second date” thing. If you’re going to wait to have sex because that’s what you’re comfortable with and you want to get to know someone, then actually wait. Sleeping with a guy on the second date just because it’s not the first date achieves absolutely nothing other than letting the guy know you follow a bunch of arbitrary, stupid rules. Any regard or respect you think you gained by waiting ONE WHOLE DATE exists only in your head. Guys play along because nine times out of ten the woman who says she doesn’t have sex on the first date usually puts out on the second date. It’s childish and immature and is a red flag (albeit one they overlook) to a man.

It sounds like you want him to be more flexible while at the same time not being terribly flexible yourself. When you don’t cancel plans due to work or commitments to friends, it’s somehow acceptable. But when he does it, he’s wrong.

He pre-emptively admitted that he’s immature and feeling pressured to settle down because all of his friends are getting married, etc. It’s a ruse. He told you that to get you to back down a bit. He was just beating you to the inevitable punch. He knew where you were going with this, and has probably even heard the same complaints from other women, so he decided to throw himself down on the sword. He was telling you, in a nice way, that he’s taken you out a handful of times and you need to chill and that his friends mean more to him than you do at this point.

He took you out on four “real” dates. He’s done with that. You’re not someone for whom he’s going to rearrange his life. If you want to end it, do it. He’s anticipating that. He’s going to continue doing what he wants because he’s not invested in whether you stick around. He won’t cut you loose because he’s not going to give up the consistent sex. He might even miss you, but he’s not going to fight to keep you.

Am I unreasonable to expect him to make me a priority after 2 months of dating?

Nice try. You’ve had all of 6 to 8 dates with him. You’re saying you’ve been dating for about two months because framing it in those terms lends credibility to your argument. In reality, it’s been a handful of dates. No, it’s not reasonable to expect to be a top priority to a man you’ve dated 6 or 7 times. At best you’ve spent all of 36-48 hours together with him. You and he barely know each other, regardless of how close you think you and he have become.

This is how dating is for many people now. There is a lot of ambiguous “hanging out” with groups and casual plans. A lot of men are just in no rush to commit. They’re not locking themselves into anything too quickly because a) they don’t want to and b) they don’t have to. So if you want to see if this has potential, you’re going to have to suck it up for a bit longer.  If your goal is to “get to know him” you can achieve that regardless of how the time together is spent. That’s an excuse you’re using to try and get him to spend more alone time with you.  I’d be far more suspicious of a man who was eager to commit and readily available right away than one who dragged his feet a bit.

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Article Round Up: What’s Wrong With Men Wanting To Date Slender Women?

I’ll just leave the link here and let you guys discuss it.A woman typing on a computer keyboard

http://thoughtcatalog.com/2013/i-went-to-skinny-mini-speed-dating/

I am at a sports bar waiting for “Skinny Mini Speed Dating” to start. I am here “undercover” as a journalist and should be mingling with the men who are here to meet “women under size 8 only,” but instead I am staring, sort of detachedly, at sports on TV; men are jumping together in a huddle which must create friction, I think, the spandex rubbing together.

I scan the crowd of speed daters but instinctively look down at my phone whenever one of them makes eye contact.

“Oh my god,” the woman running the event says to me — who, maybe it should be noted, is not a size small or whatever – “I almost forgot! I have to put your size on your nametags. What size do you wear?”

Read the full article here.

And, no, this article isn’t about our speeddating events.

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Signs You’re Dating a Guy With No Options

Name: Scared
Comment: I am with this great boyfriend. He is a hardworking businessman, with a passion for fishing. We live 200 miles needy-man - Signs Your Being Needyapart. He cares for me and spends a lot on buying me stuff.

I met him online a couple of years ago, and we got close over the months. Problem was, I was with my ex. We became good friends, chatted a lot through the phone and through the net. He hinted me that he liked me but I did not accept him at that point because I was still with my ex.

We did meet up but just as friends. Eight months after, me and my ex were having problems so we broke off. A month later, he brought his folks to meet me and things began to look serious. We took turns to visit each other. I even got to know some of his friends.

Then another month later, he invited me to a fishing trip with his friends at the end of 6 months. I agreed and he bought the plane ticket for me. However he told me that the trip lasts a week, and we are going with a whole bunch of his guy friends. I will be the only girl there. What really worries me the most is that during the trip, we won’t be able to communicate through phones so I will not be able to contact people on land.

Recently he got the hint that I am feeling nervous about the whole thing. He tries to persuade me, even by saying that he is willing to meet my family before we take off.

His intentions seem sincere but am I being paranoid? Should I follow him on this trip? Please advice, thanks.
Age: 26
City: Brooklyn
State: New York

 

Yeesh.  Who the hell brings their girlfriend along on a fishing trip with the boys? That alone would make me question this guy.

To me it seems that this guy has trouble meeting and keeping women. That’s probably because he’s so needy. Between buying you gifts to blowing up a boys weekend by dragging his girlfriend along, this guy sounds like he’s profoundly needy and insecure. Let’s address the red flags one by one.

He lives 200 miles away - Did all the women in his vicinity suddenly fall into a sinkhole or evaporate? He’s broadening his search that far because he has to. Women in his area likely don’t want him.

He hung around waiting for you to break up with your boyfriend – This, too, screams, “I have no options!” Only the most desperate of people would tolerate being treated as a surrogate gal pal.

He buys you things -  Again, I question any man who feels he has to buy my affections or impress me with presents of expensive things.

What really worries me the most is that during the trip, we won’t be able to communicate through phones so I will not be able to contact people on land.

Where is he taking you that you can’t use a cell phone? Who the hell goes on a fishing trip without making sure they can get a call out should something go wrong? There’s something off here. This guy lives hundreds of miles away, you’ve hung out with him a handful of times and now he wants you to go away with him for a week with his friends? What the whating what?

This guy isn’t a sociopath. He’s just clingy and desperate for a girlfriend. If that’s your bag, go for it. Just understand that this guy will eventually become suffocating.

What’s truly troubling to me is that you see absolutely nothing wrong with the behavior that this guy exhibits other than the fact that he chose a location for a vacation that doesn’t have  a cell signal. Is that really what’s troubling you? Because this sounds like a made up concern. I have to wonder if you’re real question involves the exact issues I’ve raised in this post. Are you uncomfortable with how available he has made himself? Are you maybe picking up on how cloying he is?

If so, that would make more sense.

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He’s Not Shy, He’s Just Not Interested

Name: AB
Comment: Three months ago, I met this guy at his place of employment as a client. We chatted for a long time before shyguygetting to why I was there. One month later, I saw him again for a follow up appointment. We chatted for nearly an hour before discussing business. In the end, I left with his email address to discuss some of our shared interests.

For the next three weeks, we emailed every 2-3 days, while both of us were on holiday. When he returned, he asked me to hang on a Saturday night. For the next 4 weeks, we hung out 1-2 times a week for about 4hr per hang. All time together was filled with constant big smiles and subtle flirting, but no clear advances due to shyness that we have since both acknowledged.

On Saturday night, he came over to watch a movie. I thought that this would be my chance. I shyly cozy up during the movie, leaning my head on his shoulder. At the end, I try to lean my face closer to him. But then he stopped me from trying to kiss him, saying that he just started seeing someone and doesn’t want to hurt her.

I was stunned because I thought we had chemistry and were slowing building something real. I told him that I felt something when I first met him and if he did too. I think that’s when he said he wants to be friends, and that I’m pretty, fun, great to talk with, awesome to hang.

The fact that he’s seeing someone means I am definitely backing off. But I’m left feeling a bit led on, hurt, and undesirable, even though I believe I’m somewhat attractive.

My questions are:
Should I kill the hope that he’ll come around? I feel invested in him.
Should I ignore his texts / stop sending him friendly texts?
Tell me more about the psychology of a dude in this position.

Age: 33
City: New York
State: NY

 

All time together was filled with constant big smiles and subtle flirting, but no clear advances due to shyness that we have since both acknowledged.

Yeah…no.  There were no advances because he was either a) already dating someone or b) not attracted to you.

The whole “but he’s shy!” excuse has been used in several letters lately. I think it’s another rationalization that women like to use to explain why a guy hasn’t made a move on her.  That alleged shyness has little to do with it. For whatever reason, he’s just not interested. If he were, he’d make a move. Especially if you and he were already spending so much time together. Either there was a lack of attraction or he fears you’re more interested than he is. If it’s the latter, he senses that you’re more invested and worries you might become needy or clingy in some way. He’s not afraid to ruin the friendship. For real. That’s another rationalization manufactured by women for women. It doesn’t exist.

I was stunned because I thought we had chemistry and were slowing building something real.

As controversial as this might sound, few men are hanging out with a woman they are attracted to and not trying to get physical. This idea that a guy is “being a gentleman” or “looking to build something real” are thoughts planted in our heads from other women. And they’re wrong. The reason they repeat these non-truths is because a man who sits and listens to a woman and “hangs” with her who shows no interest in sex is their wet dream. People like sex. One of the main reasons many of us date is for the sex. If someone is showing no interest in The Sex then there’s a problem. Write that down. Read it. Learn it. Live it.

My guess is that the reason he felt so comfortable with you is because he wasn’t attracted to you. You were a friend. A pal.

Yes, I would stop texting him and trying to be friends. It’s a disingenuous gesture and you know it. You wouldn’t be content with being just friends. Men and women only suggest that because they’re hoping the object of their affection will one day have an epiphany and realize that love has been right in front of them all along. That’s Rom-Com fantasy nonsense. That doesn’t usually happen.

For the sake of your mental health I would take a step back from this guy. He’s not available to you.

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How to Avoid Being Used for Sex

Name: flyetteconfwomenz
Comment: I met a guy a few years ago and we immediately liked each  other. Circumstances beyond our control separated us but we remained in platonic contact at a distance for months afterwards. At the beginning I think he was genuinely interested in who I was, but then I got the impression he merely wanted to have sex with me. No big deal since it was me who initiated the sex talk between us. After a while all contact stopped. We kept silent for years. Recently he sent me a message out of the blue saying he wants to see me and I gave him an evasive reply because it hurt me a lot having lost the contact before and I did not want to be taken for granted. I also do not want to be perceived merely in the sexual way. He has not replied for several weeks now. Is it possible he only contacted me because he wants to have sex? I do not think it is fair for him to reappear just like that, stir my feelings and then disappear again. I have been thinking of all the possibilities of why this happened. What seems most plausible is: 1. he made a mistake, and 2. prospect of sex only.
Age: 32
City: phoenix
State: arizona

I’ll generalize a bit here and say that I don’t think men are known for taking trips down memory lane. At least not where casual acquaintances are concerned. I am always suspicious of people from my past who pop up unexpectedly at random moments. I’ve done that, usually when I’m low on prospects or feeling lonely.

Let’s face it. You’re going to try and see him again and you’ll probably have sex with him. You’re going to make him “work for it” so that you can justify doing what you would have done anyway. Here’s the thing: he knows what you’re doing. If it’s sex he’s after, he’ll play along. You did not event this game. It has been around for centuries. The only thing you are achieving by being vague and non-responsive is gaining a false sense of confidence.

I also do not want to be perceived merely in the sexual way.

Using sex to get a man’s attention is actually what leads to a woman being defined by sex. Again, men know what we’re doing when we break out the dirty talk. They are well aware that many of us are using it to keep them interested. While they might return the attention, they are still suspicious of women who employ this tactic.

I was having a conversation with some friends last week. The topic was the challenge many women who write about sex (or dating) have in regards to being taken seriously. The key, I think, is to present a more well-rounded persona. If the most notable stories a writer has in her arsenal are of the sexual variety, then she will then become identified and defined by sex. However, if she offers pieces on other topics that are equally authentic and provocative, she has a better chance of being seen as a whole person and not just a bunch of hormones with an iPad. To break it down, if you don’t want a guy to want you just for sex, then don’t use sex to keep his interest. If you do, put out. That’s it. What you truly want, OP, is for this guy to return your level of interest. It’s not that you fear that he just wants sex. You fear that you’re playing the fool. So don’t. That is a conscious choice.

At the beginning I think he was genuinely interested in who I was, but then I got the impression he merely wanted to have sex with me.

Typically, if a guy is genuinely interested,  it’s the other way around. I can’t tell if you and he ended up sleeping together or not. If you did, and all the effort he made previously stopped, then he always just in it for the sex. He didn’t stir your feelings. You did that. You can’t put that on him. You’re in control of your emotions. Not him.

The fact that this guy never replied to your email should tell you everything you need to know. He was looking for something simple. He didn’t want to deal with your Feels. This magical connection you think you had was likely in your head. This is what presents the most difficult hurdle for women. They project their feelings on to the guy. All of them. They tell themselves that because a man did A, B and C that means he truly cares for her. A lot of men will say whatever it is they think will grease the wheels. I’m not sure why so many women don’t understand that. Something else that women need to burn into their brain is that if a man approaches a woman and talks to her in sexual way and plies her with compliments and then says, ‘Why don’t we meet for coffee/a drink to talk” he’s not just looking to talk. Instead of finding his honesty so refreshing and being blinded by his compliments, a woman should feel objectified and insulted.

I think this man has made his intentions clear, OP.

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Stop Pretending You’re Not Competitive With Other Women

Name: Lucywomaneer-flirting
Comment: I’m generally slightly flirtatious and am so without even trying. However I know about boundaries and would never have designs on anyone else’s man or chase after anyone who is clearly taken. I find this slightly distressing as on previous occasions, I have been accused of stepping over the line but that would never enter my head as it goes against any idea I have of common decency. The fact that people have said this makes me slightly ashamed.

To give you more information, the type of flirting I might fall into is very low key. For example I might make some silly joke about something. But I have never tried to get physically close to another woman’s boyfriend, initiated contact, tried to get alone with him or anything like that. I do not try to become friends with men and I stick to an all female group. Sometimes I might not even be flirting at all and the man or woman involved will tell me that I am.

I would like to tone down my flirtatious nature because on previous occasions it has caused hurt to others. I now cut men off quickly so I don’t lead them on and I try not to flirt with men I am not interested in. But I want to feel free to be myself without it complicating how I get on with others.
Age: 23
City: Edinburgh
State: United Kingdom

 

Before we begin, I just want to call back your previous letter to me. People can read it here.

I’ll just throw this out there: the people I trust the least are the people who make public declarations of how honorable they are. A wise and mature person would know that they could never say, unequivocally,  that they wouldn’t do something. Impulses, emotions and circumstances all factor in to the decisions we make. When people insist that they would “never” do something, what they’re actually saying is, “I’m smarter/more restrained/more trustworthy than other people.” They’re bragging.

I got a whiff of competitiveness and jealousy in your first letter. Now the stench is undeniable. The underlying message in this letter is, “I can’t help it if men find me attractive. (blink blink) How do I fix that?”

What’s dangerous about people like you is that you actually believe what you’re saying. So here’s the first step for you recovery: stop lying to yourself about your altruistic intentions. They don’t exist. You like attention from men. Join the club. That aspect of your personality doesn’t pose the threat. What makes you suspect is that you also like the idea of pissing off other women.Nothing will get me to turn on my heels faster and walk away from a woman is hearing her talk about all the ways she’s committed to paving the way for other females. No, women like that are all about their own personal advancement. Show. Don’t tell.If you have to frequently remind other women how supportive you are, you’re not.

Equally questionable are women who go out of their way to piss off other women.  Niecy Nash was promoting her book on TV last night. In it, she advises women to always keep their man sexually satisfied. Ok. Fine. Agreed. But when she was asked about people who critiqued that particular piece of advice her response was, “Well..that’s why they don’t have a man.” Oooooh. Sick burn, Niecy. That sort of tripe is no different that the women and men who toss barbs my way about giving advice while being single, or who habitually have to trot out their relationship as proof that they’ve truly learned to love themselves or reached some magnificent level of awareness. Can we please stop that? That sort of talk is actually the opposite of empowered. All it does is reinforce the idea that what we achieved means nothing unless we have a man in our life to validate it.

While I think some level of competition is natural and maybe even healthy, I believe some people take that desire to be the victor a bit too far. If you don’t want other women to think you’re out to steal their boyfriends, then stop trying to steal their boyfriends. If you’d prefer that your female peers didn’t hate on you for being so confident, then stop trolling them.

OP, until you get past your need to compete with your female friends, this problem will exist. Going after or getting a guy just for bragging rights rarely ever ends well. Not only will you eventually repel any man that does give you a chance, but you will alienate all your friends and other women in the process. You don’t want to be that woman with no female friends. Men and women both will keep you at arm’s length.

 

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