Online Dating: How Much Rejection Is Normal?

Name: Maria
Age: 35
City: Brooklyn
State: NY
Comment: Hi, I am wondering if what happens to me is “normal” in the dating world here in NYC.  I am 35, on OKC and I get asked out a lot.  I meet an average of 3 guys per week, which some would consider lucky.  I think I would feel lucky if all I wanted was to go to countless dates with men that 98% of the time I never hear back from.  Is this normal? Do other women experience what I take as rejection??

 

3 dates a week doesn’t sound abnormal for OK Cupid. It’s a free website. As many people have mentioned in previous threads, OKC attracts a number of time wasters. That site is heavily populated by folks not terribly interested in anything beyond attention or a casual relationship. Hence why you’re getting so much action. I’m going to guess that you’re a quantity over quality person. You go out with pretty much everyone who asks because you like feeling so in demand. OK Cupid is like a fun house mirror in that it provides a distorted view of our desirability and attractiveness. Hate to be the bearing of bad news, but let’s just say that that site isn’t known for attracting men who are terribly picky.

I highly doubt that the majority of men you’re meeting on OK Cupid are actually looking for a relationship.  Getting dates with OKC is beyond easy. Getting quality dates is much, much harder. Many of those guys are taking you out in the hopes of hooking up. When that doesn’t happen they just move on. That would explain a good portion of the rejection that you are experiencing.

The other contributing factor is probably that you’re disappointing these men somehow. Either your profile is too good and full of embellishments or..dun dun DUN! you don’t look like your photos.

While it’s not abnormal to have many one off first dates that lead no where, it is atypical to have that many not lead to a second date. So something is off. Whomever you present online is not translating offline. You should be getting more men following up if you’re having 3 dates a week. So, in addition to meeting a lot of one and doners,  it’s either an issue of inaccurate photos or you’re just not terrible interesting/engaging. That’s something that a lot of people don’t consider. Everybody thinks they “rock” first dates. Few people actually do. Every person I’ve ever known or heard of who was booking multiple online dates every week always, to me, seemed to have something “off” about them. Either they seemed burnt out on the process or over-anxious or completely desensitized to the process. I think 2 dates a week with two different people is pushing it. More than that and you’re just overloading your mental hard drive. People assume because they get so many dates or have so many people eager to commit to them that that actually means what they think it means. A lot of times it doesn’t. You’d be surprised what people will do and say just to get sex on the regs. Or at all.

I don’t know how to say this without some people feeling as though I am trying to crush their spirit. Dating in Manhattan or in any city where there is an overage of single women to single men is tough. Trying to date in Manhattan as a woman in her mid to late thirties and older is brutal. As harsh as this sounds, the odds are just against us. My suggestion to you, OP, as well as to all the other women in your age range and above is to branch out. Way out. Like Boston or Connecticut or Philadelphia. Or maybe even further. We are just not in demand here. I’m not saying that you should completely count out the men where you live. I’m suggesting that you widen the net.

I will also advise any woman over 35 that is looking for a relationship to rely more heavily on the paid dating sites. Use OK Cupid, as it’s a great way to get dates and get out. Who knows, you might strike gold. But if you really want something serious, OK Cupid is just not the place to go. You are up against it on that site, competing with a lot of women in the same boat.

As for the guys who struggle, all the whining and sad sackery has to stop. Get off the angry man forums. Many of you sound like the 98 pound weakling who just had sand kicked in his face at beach. If you want a certain type of woman, you need to up your game. That means dressing and sounding the part. You can say all you like how unfair it is that women don’t like nice stable guys but deep down you know that’s not true. They just don’t want you. It’s time for you to stop listening to all the other losers at love and break free from that pack. Maybe it would serve you well to look elsewhere, too. Either that or suck it up and accept that your $10 first date policy isn’t cutting it. Time to break open the wallet and pull yourself together. Congrats, you stay in shape or you’re pretty or you have a job. Whoopee. You’re hardly unique. If you want people to notice you or take you seriously you have to present yourself in a certain way.

If you’re surrounded by people who bring more to the table, and at any given time you probably are, then you need to either up your game in some way and/or go where people want what you can offer. If you aren’t willing to do either, then you need to accept the reality of your situation quickly and learn to adapt.

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Thanks, But No Thanks – Do You Respond If You’re Not Interested?

The other night a profile review client asked me how she should handle the following situation.

She had sent an email to a guy on OK Cupid. All she said, per my instructions, was that she enjoyed his profile and that he should shoot her a message if he wanted to chat.

His response:

Hey [username], no thanks but much luck here on OKC.

*crickets*

While I don’t think he was trying to be abrasive, that’s certainly how the message read.I said she should just take it on the chin and ignore it. Don’t lock him, don’t reply. Just move on.

I advise all clients to not respond when they get an email from someone that does not interest them. Let the sender rationalize the lack of response. (Maybe they’re dating someone? Maybe they’re busy? ) Give that person the ability to brush off the rejection and process it in their own way. There’s no need to make it abundantly clear that you aren’t interested.

I’m actually shocked that some people even send replies like this anymore. The socially appropriate thing to do is to just no respond. Not just because it’s the more humane way to handle things but because prevented further awkward conversations. Reject someone at the wrong moment and you might be in for a scathing follow up message. Or worse, they might be so broken down by the process that they ask you to explain why you didn’t feel you and they were a match.

I know people will chime in and say that they prefer that someone at least takes the time to respond to them even if they aren’t interested. I think that has to do with how isolating online dating can be. On more than one occasion I have had those days when I felt as though nobody wanted me and I didn’t matter, and online dating was the trigger. I do understand why people would prefer that rejection message. A note like that is an acknowledgement that they are worthy of notice. It’s easy to convince yourself, after yet another message goes unanswered, that you are just a thumbnail and nothing more.

This is why I always suggest to clients and readers to scale way, way back on sending the unsolicited cold call message. It can be too psychologically brutalizing after awhile. I advise people to pay more attention to those who visit and view their profiles. If they looked at your profile that’s because you probably came up in a search where they input certain criteria. Those people are looking for matches like you. Focus on them.

  • Update your profile so that it includes keywords that people probably use when doing a specialized search. Write out a list of adjectives that could be used to describe you and your interests and find a way to work them into the text of your ad. The sense I’m getting is that people are less inclined to scroll through pages and pages of potential matches anymore. They’re optimizing their time by using keyword searches.
  • Do whatever you can to bring people to you. Rate them, view their profile, update your profile every day, switch the order of your photos. Update your photos every few months!!
  • Make sure your primary photo displays clearly when it pops up in a search. Your face should take up the majority of the thumbnail.
  • If you do message people, keep it simple. “Hi..I liked your profile. Drop a line back if you’d like to chat.” Done. If they blow you off because you didn’t personalize your message, so be it. People who still believe that potential matches should craft personalized messages do not understand the online dating scene. It’s arduous and time consuming. Daters have to loosen their standards a bit when it comes to these emails! If you have to customize it, make it brief, avoid being chatty and don’t ask questions. People will respond to you just because of that inquiry. You won’t know if they’re answering out of interest or to be polite/get attention.

The goal here is to save time and spare yourself unnecessary emotional agony. When you have those moments of doubt, just take a break for a day. Walk away from it all just for a bit. Don’t quit or take down your profile and go on a dating detox. Go do something that makes you feel good about yourself. Then go back and try again.

 

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Does Bad Grammar & Punctuation Turn You Off?

An article over at XOJane yesterday got me thinking about how written communication has changed, especially due to technology and social media. I’ve said before that a lot of people – if not most – now access dating sites and social media platforms using mobile apps. As such, people are using smaller keyboards and writing/communicating on the go.

Unless you work for yourself, it’s not often that someone is sitting in an ergonomic chair with a huge screen and appropriately sized keyboard when they’re typing. Replying to messages isn’t usually done during working hours as most businesses monitor employees internet access. That forces folks to access websites via their phone. Sometimes we are on a bus or in a cab when we’re tapping out a response to a message or updating our profile. We might even be crossing the street. If you weren’t an English major or in a similar course of study where you were judged on the quality of your written work, what you know about grammar came from High School English class. Do you remember everything you learned in high school?

Contributing to this issue is that many news or content oriented websites take submissions from writers without offering payment or assistance with editing. What you end up with is an uptick in the bad grammar and usage that we now see on sites we consider to host professionally written material, sending a mixed message. Being restricted to using only a certain amount of characters also gets us in the habit of taking grammatical shortcuts. So what we have here, as the line goes, is a failure to communicate properly. Admittedly the breakdown in communication is a failure on our parts. No question. We’ve gotten lazy about how we present ourselves in writing.

Is this lack of concern truly indicative of our character or personality? Does a decision to send a message to a potential date without spell checking it really display a lack of genuine interest? Or is this just one more flimsy excuse that people use to blow someone off? Is this yet another faux test men and women use to determine a quality match?

I do tend to agree that poor grammar and usage is usually a sign of lower intelligence. But let’s define “poor.” Here is what I consider unacceptable:

  • Run on sentences with a total lack of punctuation
  • Multiple instances of misspelling words
  • All caps
  • Ur instead of your, etc – (This one is debateable.)

Writing in all lowercase doesn’t bother me. Nor do I care if someone uses “your” when they should use “you’re.” I think people have taken the whole “dating is like an interview” thing too far. Yes, if you were applying for a job then being more concerned with spelling and punctuation is appropriate and expected. There is a smaller margin of error when a person is submitting themselves for a position for which they are being paid. I’m not sure if you guys heard this but nobody is perfect. The people you date are not just a cog in a machine. They are human beings. That means that they, and you, will make mistakes. A lot of them. If you are someone who will dismiss somebody because they used too many ellipses, you might want to consider the possibility that you’re kind of insufferable, humorless and difficult. That kind of holier than thou attitude will kill every relationship you have.

The other thing to realize and accept is that, as D’Alias said in the comments recently, online dating isn’t what it used to be.  Truth? People just don’t care much anymore. Like ‘em. Don’t like ‘em. They believe that they have a vast number of options out there and therefore don’t have to bow to your whim. Whether or not that is true is irrelevant. That’s how many people think. They’ll blow you off, stop responding to emails, cancel dates, etc. They simply don’t care.

This isn’t to suggest that people should stop trying to make a good first impression. Of course we shouldn’t. What we do need to adjust is our expectations. Good for you that you never abuse commas. You win the internet! Some people do. Some people pay more attention to math or science.  Something else that needs to go is creating a back story as to why someone didn’t spell check before hitting send. That crap borders on paranoia and delusion. Given how people constantly complain about the lack of messages they get, isn’t it progress enough that someone took the time to reply or write at all?

Finally, can we also put a cease and desist on taking screen shots of poorly written messages and posting them to Twitter or on blogs? Can we stop taking content from people’s profiles and putting them on the internet entirely? Let me explain something to you: someone with bad grammar might not be the rocket scientist you feel you deserve, but a person who gets off publicly shaming and humiliating these people for something so innocuous and impersonal is far more hateable. Short of coming out and being hateful towards someone, people don’t deserve public floggings like that. That man or woman didn’t erect that profile or send you that message to push you down some shame spiral. If your life is so empty and your need for attention so bottomless that you have to do such things, you’ve hit on the main reason why you’re single. People need to stop indulging and encouraging that nonsense. That person you’re replying to with your “LOL!” is an asshole. Plain and simple.

 

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Online Dating & Income – How Much Do You Reveal?

I woke up to an email from a friend on Facebook.

“I just got an email from a  woman on Match who asked if the lack of a stated income on my profile meant I was unemployed. Should I include my income?”

Let’s think about this from a search perspective. When someone is choosing criteria that they prefer in a mate, are many people selecting a specific income?I would guess that there’s a decent amount of people who do. Hence, it might be a good idea to include a salary just because you want to come up in as many search types as possible so that you can drive traffic to your ad. The downside, of course, is attracting people who only wish to date people who fall within a certain income bracket. My guess is that if you work in a field that is known for it’s high salary then you’re used to being targeted by such people and can sniff them out pretty quickly. I’d suggest planning a low key date at a modestly priced bar. If your date tries to upgrade then you know that they’re more drawn to you for your wallet than your personality.

As I’ve said before, people who make high salaries aren’t opposed to spending money. They know that that’s all part of the Dating Game. They don’t mind sharing the wealth as long as their date appears to appreciate it. They don’t have to have someone match their spending habits on dates to do that. A simple offer to pay for the cab or buy a round of drinks will suffice. It’s not about the amount, it’s about the gesture of appreciation.

Now, what if you want to select “Prefer not to say?” Personally, I think that’s the best way to go. I don’t like the idea of people feeling obligated to reveal sensitive information like salary range to strangers. This would never come up in regular conversation if you met someone at a bar or party.Either choose that option or undercut your salary a bit. I always suggest to clients that they don’t go into great detail about what they do for a living. Don’t give it all away upfront. If you work in the corporate world select Executive/Management as a career field whenever you can.

In my example profile that I use when doing profile reviews, I identify as financially self-sufficient as opposed to financially independent. I place more importance on whether or not someone can take care and support themselves than how much they make. I also prefer to date someone who lives a similar lifestyle to mine, meaning they live on their own and, while maybe don’t make enough to travel to Europe on a regular basis, can still afford to go out and enjoy certain activities and is responsible enough to maintain a savings.

The phrase “financially independent” says, to me, “I don’t need you. I got this.” That’s not a message you want to send to potential partners. You want people to think you need them to some degree. “Financially self-sufficient” says, to me, “I’m responsible.” That’s what sufficiency is about – being able to take care of yourself. I often advise women not to make mention of finances or careers in their profiles. For one, they make themselves targets to the OKCupid/Match.com Hobos looking for a place to rest their weary heads. Yes, that’s a thing. The other reason is that men just don’t care what a woman makes or what she does for a living as much as women care about the same things. Men want women to use their more “feminine” qualities to attract men. Most men focus on personality traits and characteristics than on financial or professional ones.

On a somewhat related topic, can we all talk key words for a second? A great way to draw the right people to your profile is to include specific key words. If you’re super health conscious, then make sure to use words like healthy, diet and exercise. Go even more specific and use words like organic and yoga. If you like being outdoors, include words like nature, hikes, environment, sunset, mountains, etc. Looking for a nerd? Think of the various descriptors and hobbies you think someone like that might identify with and put them in your profile. I’ve found the, more and more, people are honing their searches by using the key word search option.

So now I’ll turn it over to you:

Do you complete the income question on your profile? Why or why not? Have you encountered people who have seemed judgmental based on your admitted salary? Have you been targeted by people who appear to primarily seek people in your income bracket? If so, how did you know and how did you handle it?

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Spam Her Clam?

Name: Theodore Underwood

Comment: I’m wondering if you can share some advice on how to get more responses from women on dating profiles. It seems that for every 10 messages I send, I get maybe 2 or 3 responses, and of those maybe 35% lead to a date. It’s really frustrating for guys, and we can’t even tell what we’re doing wrong. I tried out this service SpamHerClam.com that messages women for you to save time and rejection…aside from being a little crass, it’s the best thing I’ve found to work so far. Suggestions?
Age: 32
City: Fredericksburg
State: Virginia

 

Now, before everybody jumps into the comments it’s important to realize that this is an advertisement disguised as a letter.

I don’t believe in sponsored posts. In fact, when a crew of dating bloggers formed so that they could each schill a bunch of cheap, stupid scams and products I laughed knowing that it would destroy whatever modest credibility the bloggers had. Oh hai, internetz. Let me tell you how much I luuurve having this meal program delivered to my home for a week or about this mood ring for single ladiez that they can wear on the wedding finger and pretend to be engaged. I mean, I would never pay for this myself, of course. But I got paid to tell you how awesome it is, so here I am telling you to spend your money on this stinker. While maybe 2 or 3 of these bloggers were honest in their assessment of various services, most weren’t. You’d be surprised how willing someone is to promote a product just to get a little publicity or promotion. Or cash.

Let’s discuss SpamHerClam.com, shall we. Their tag line is…wait for it…”If you want some clam, you have to spam.” Stay classy, kids. Stay classy. The  service provided by this site is to mass mail several women at once based on criteria you select.

You set the search criteria, eg: Girl, aged 18-28, thin/fit, in New York. We can use whatever your site allows as a search feature.

So, if my feeble woman brain is understanding this correctly, this site sends a bunch of messages to women based not on whether or not the customer finds them attractive, but just because they have a vagina. Is that right? Tell me again how this isn’t a disaster waiting to happen? Let’s picture the awkward conversations and possible drama that ensues when a bunch of women the client finds unattractive reply to these emails. Talk about frustrating. But hey, if the woman is getting frustrated, who cares? Vaginas don’t have feelings!

From their website:

Online Dating sites are designed to cater to women and frustrate men.

Boobs, amirite guys? Yes. It’s all a conspiracy! The womenz are eeevil. I’m not sure which is more reprehensible, that tag line or the black and white photo of the obviously under-aged model glammed up to look adult. Sadly, we all know that there are men out there who will rush to this site. Who is the target demographic for SpamHerClam? The “nice” guys. The whiny dudes. The, let’s just say it, less attractive men. Yes, let’s feed into the misconception that online dating is so! hard! for men. Bitch, please. Try being a woman over 35 on these sites. Then come crying to me about what a rough go of it you have. Online dating is hard for everybody. A person is lucky to send out 10 messages and get 2 to 3 responses. That’s higher than average.

Do women really respond to these messages? SHC’s answer:

Yes, they do, so long as it’s a good message. Sending an overly long, detailed, and personalized message actually comes off as desperate to most women.

Wrong! Wrong wrong wrong. People respond if you’re attractive. Or they respond just to get more attention. That doesn’t mean they are interested in you. What this service will do will get you more frustration. Not dates. Pay close attention to the verbage of sites like this. They aren’t promising more dates. Just more responses.I could send out 20 emails to guys on OKCupid that say, “Hey, I think you and I used to work together.” Guess how many guys will respond?  Like, all of them. There. I just saved you money, bro. You’re welcome. At least you won’t be getting responses from women you don’t find attractive and have to deal with the possible landmines that come from conversations like that.

The problem isn’t how shallow people are, it’s the unreasonable expectations and self-perceptions that many people bring to online dating. When you identify and accept what you can feasibly attract, and you focus on the people who show interest in you rather than throwing a bunch of darts in the dark, you’ll have an easier time of it. Nobody owes you a response or an acknowledgement of the hard work and effort you put into an introductory email.

Despite what your brahs tell you, guys, not all women on these sites just want attention. The only people who make such claims are the ones who go for people way, way out of their league and get no response. They blame the opposite sex because that’s easier than saying admitting that they aren’t as attractive or youthful or interesting as they think.

Photo Credit – Spam Her Clam website

 

DISCLAIMER: I did not receive payment or any kind of reimbursement/discount of services for writing this post.

 

 

 

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Dating, Darwin And Supply & Demand

Name: Anon
Age: 37
State: UK
Question: I read your recent post about all the single ladies fighting over the same man, and the comments that ensued.

One comment got buried, which I thought would be interesting for you and your regulars to address:

January 21, 2013 at 7:54 am
“The problem isn’t that you ladies can’t find someone that you’re attracted to. The problem is that you’re attracted to men who have an abundance of options”

Moxie, you make some very good comments when read in isolation. However, I think most women reading red pill blogs know they’re never going to get the top 5% of men, and set their sights on an average man that they can find attraction and happiness with.

You also say in another post:

“Welcome to Dating 2.0, where even the uggos have more options than the single woman over 35.”

So, when average men, and the men you call “uggos” have more options, and aren’t following through with dates and commitment, where does that leave the woman over 35?

 

 

I’m not so sure that this comment got buried as much as people read it and felt the answer was self-explanatory. I’m guessing you wrote it which is why you’re following up and asking for your comment to be acknowledged. So here you go.

First of all, women should be reading the red pill blogs with a grain of salt. The mission of those blogs isn’t to deliver reality as much as it is to beat you down and make you pay for blowing off the type of guy who reads/writes a red pill blog. Guess what? Those guys are not in that highly sought after 5%. If they were getting laid and dating as regularly as they claim, they wouldn’t be writing/reading a blog.

So, when average men, and the men you call “uggos” have more options, and aren’t following through with dates and commitment, where does that leave the woman over 35?

I guess that leaves many of them shit out of luck unless they choose to settle a bit, doesn’t it? This is not rocket science, folks. Get your shit together enough to be able to meet and date people while you’re still in demand. Get enough experience under your belt and actually learn from it rather than repeating the same thing over and over. It’s simple. I’m beyond exhausted by these intentionally obtuse lines of questions and attempts to find contradictions where none exist because somebody has a hair across their ass.

Those average schmucks, should they wish to commit, will find someone long before the women who reject them do simply because they want to commit and that makes them in demand. If that “uggo” is educated and employed and ambitious and stable, he rises to the top of the list regardless of whether he looks like Channing Tatum or not. Trust me. There are women out their who see his value and will pursue him. Going after someone average looking because he’s average looking is no longer a good strategy because other women have caught on to that. They’ll take the guy with a great job over the hot unemployed artist because they have chosen to make settling down a priority. Where the challenge comes in is if that average looking guy decides to reap the rewards of this paradigm shift. If he has so many options, why settle for just one? It’s called The Law of Supply and Demand. If he’s in demand, he will have a constant supply of options.

This will sound particularly brutal, but the women who get into their late thirties and older who still can’t find a man are being weeded out of the pool for a reason. Same goes for the men who have similar gripes and complaints. It’s Darwin’s Survival of The Fittest at work. Again, this is a very simple concept. The weak do not survive and reproduce. They can either evolve with the changes in their environment or they can go extinct. Someone wrote a comment recently about how, in DC, all the frumpy girls who don’t brush their hair properly all manage to find men, which must mean that in that particular city, women have the upper hand. Wrong. Those women that other ladies like to deem “frumpy” aren’t high maintenance pains in the ass. That’s why they get the men and the other women, the bitchy ones sitting on the sidelines, don’t. Remember: women don’t get to decide what men find attractive. Men do. The woman with her hair out of place probably is just as concerned with making her guy happy as she is making herself happy. That’s why she has a man. That’s what makes her attractive. It’s amazing what a pleasant demeanor and lack of crazy can attract.

The women who sit and bitch about who pays and why doesn’t he call instead of text and oh my god I have to get passed 3 dates before I can touch his penis? Yeah. They’re perpetually struggling. While those women are sitting out at cocktail hour bemoaning the lack of “good men” and lying about how many dates they waited to sleep with whomever or how they broke up with him, all those sluts and frumps are getting their guys. Suck it, girlfraannnn!

 

 

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Why Dating & Commuting Don’t Mix

Name: Phil
Age: 26
Question: Hello,

I’m an attractive mid-20 year old male from a large east coast city. Last summer, amidst the beginnings of the end of the recession, I took a promotion two steps above my previous position. However, in doing so, I had to move to the middle of nowhere for a year. To me, this didn’t seem like it would be too much of a problem to deal with this until July when I can relocate back to my major city (I’m a Federal Employee). I routinely drive 3.5 hours back to visit friends/old haunts and engage in activities and consider the effort completely worth it.

I currently put in a lot of time, effort, and money to keep up appearances and network, but I’m at a severe disadvantage when it comes to being “on top of my game” after going through what I go through to get places. (1 hour drive on back roads, followed by 2.5 hours of interstate driving, plus I work at 5 AM – 5 PM 4 days per week)

Due to that, and the fact that I live in the middle of nowhere, I really don’t have any other option for dating besides looking online. I would prefer to date someone back home where I will return this summer after completing my year here. This is for a number of reasons, but mainly because I get along much better with them than the people I am surrounded by currently in the boonies.

I have explained my situation in the profile I that I created. However, I get no responses from the people I message. I am figuring the reason for this is that they don’t want to deal with someone who is currently this far away. I find it frustrating that someone who is more than willing to make the effort to accomplish this and come to them, plus will be living back there in 5 months anyways, gets brushed aside because of the perceived distance factor.

What are your thoughts?

My thoughts are that you are at a severe disadvantage and therefore should not try to date until you are back home. Regardless of whether or not you are willing to make all of the effort, you come to the table with a high degree of difficulty. People want simple and easy. They want to be able to meet up for an impromptu drink or dinner or even late night booty call. They want that as an option. They don’t want to deal with someone who has to drive a couple hours to see them, especially when they’re surrounded by people who live but a stone’s throw away. Throw in weather and traffic and hectic work schedules and you’ll soon amass a number of canceled dates and plans re-arranged in order to accommodate someone’s travel schedule. It’s a hassle and nobody wants to deal with it, especially when they have plenty of other viable candidates so close by.

In general, I don’t know why anybody would want to put themselves through the agony of starting a relationship off this way. It would be one thing if you were dating someone and they got transferred and you wanted to try and make it work. But to begin a relationship at this kind of disadvantage? Nah. Not going to work. Sure, everybody has that story of their friend, colleague or college roommate who found love over state lines. That’s adorable. Those are the exceptions to the rule and not the rule. Between the financial wear and tear involved to the huge time and energy suck, eventually the relationship pays the price.

Unless you’re with someone on an ongoing basis, day in and day out, you have no idea how truly compatible you actually are. There’s this big void of unknown going on because you have no idea what your partner is doing in those times they’re not with you. That buffer provided by the distance will convince you that you and your hunny bunny are super-mega-compatible. Then you move to the same city and the magic and mystery is gone. True compatibility is determined after the mystique is no longer as prevalent.

Overall it’s an issue of convenience and desiring someone with a similar mentality.  You can cry foul and say that that’s an elitist and shallow decision based mostly on a desire to date “high earners” or some other such nonsense, but that’s just your way of trying to make yourself feel better for not being able to live in a city.

If you’re casting your bait into a city pond, those people are going to want to date city people. That’s it. Whine about it if you like, folks.People live in cities for a reason, and that reason is to be around people who think like they do

 

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First Date No No: Setting a Time Limit To The Date

The people over at FriendFlirt gave my recent post about First Date Chemistry a shout out. Here’s an interesting suggestion from online dating coach, Laurie Davis:

Laurie’s advice was that the first meeting should be between 45 minutes to an hour. Something low key and simple, just to see if you two click. You want to leave that first meeting right when the chemistry is at it’s peak so that you leave on a great note and are already scheduling your second date.

Or if you don’t click, you didn’t waste a whole lot of time and money on the whole thing.

I love this idea. With the pressure taken off of the first meeting, you two will feel more natural and at ease. Also, if you don’t click, you won’t feel too stressed about it. It was just two people meeting, not a horrible first date.

That sounds like one of those things that dating experts like to say but have never actually implemented themselves. If they had, they’d know why that’s a counter-intuitive approach to dating. Why should someone go through all the motions to prepare for and arrive at a date just for 45 minutes? Not only that, but how does placing a time limit on the date not make your date feel like they’re under a microscope?

I’ve always found that the people who go into dates with these sort of disclaimers and limitations are already half-way to not interested. When people say things like, “Who knows…you might not think I’m your type” or “Why don’t we plan to do XYZ..just in case things don’t work out” they’re really saying, “I’m on the fence.” They’re telling you without telling you that they’re not sure or that they’ve had their share of awkward first dates. They are not complimenting you or being self-deprecating. They are warning you that there’s a real possibility there won’t be a mutual interest. Gee. Sign me up! This sort of strategy is actually quite telling and reflects poorly on the person setting up the rigid time frame of the date.

After doing online dating for a certain amount of time, a person should have developed the social skills necessary to navigate a first date without clicking some imaginary stop watch. They should also be able to learn how to tell if they’re truly interested in someone based on a profile. People should go out with people whom they are genuinely excited to meet. Not just anybody who shows interest. That’s why people get so burnt out on online dating. Stop being afraid to go with it. That is just a sign that you don’t trust yourself and your decisions. Go into a date confident in your choices and you won’t have anything to worry about.

I wouldn’t bother meeting anyone who put this sort of disclaimer on a date. And if someone abruptly put an end to a date – without warning -  that seemed to be going well, I’d be annoyed. Not intrigued. Nobody likes the idea of being bookended between appointments or rushed through their cocktail.  That would cast a shadow on the whole experience.

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How To Tell If They’re a Dating Liability

Name: Denny Laine
Age: 44
State: New York City
Question: I recently started talking with an OKcupid woman who I’ve been e-mailing with for a  week. Things were going great and we finally made an appointment to meet. Before hanging up though she said “Just to let you know, I just got out of a 10 year relationship.” I didn’t know what to say but “OK.”   I didn’t know what to make of that.  What did that have anything to do with me? With us? Shouldn’t we start out fresh when meeting possible mates? Should I admire her for having a relationship last that long? Or should I question her for ending a relationship that lasted a long time? Do I give myself 10 years with her to see if we would make a different kind of couple?  When I meet someone, I like to think we’re starting out fresh. I would answer any question they may have from “how long was your longest relationship?” to “why do you think it failed?” I would answer absolutely anything and everything and be totally honest. I understand it’s not about me, that she’s just trying to get a picture of what WE would be like in the future.  But I wouldn’t saddle anyone with something like that when first meeting them. Was that supposed to be a warning to me, a total stranger looking to see her in good faith, starting out fresh? Any thoughts?
Age: 44
State: New York City

Wow. Okay. First, slow down. You haven’t even met this woman an already you’re thinking in terms of “we.” You are over-thinking this, which is almost certain to lead to you psyching yourself out.

She told you about her break-up for two reasons:

1. Because she’s probably a bit of a mess and didn’t know not to say that.

2. To warn you that she’s a bit of a mess and that you shouldn’t get your hopes up.

Her lack of self-awareness will inevitably cause problems down the road.

Personally, someone like this would present a degree of difficulty that does not interest me. I’d bail.

I would answer any question they may have from “how long was your longest relationship?” to “why do you think it failed?” I would answer absolutely anything and everything and be totally honest.

You’ve written several letters to me complaining that you can’t seem to find a girlfriend and that women think you’re “too nice.” This is why. You have to understand that when women ask you these kinds of questions there’s a reason and it’s not just curiosity. They want to find things out about you to eventually use against you in some way. Women ask men these questions in an attempt to exert power over them. They’re trying to establish just how far they can push him. If you answer these questions in any kind of detail, you risk looking weak. That is what “too nice” actually means.

I understand it’s not about me, that she’s just trying to get a picture of what WE would be like in the future.  But I wouldn’t saddle anyone with something like that when first meeting them.

That’s where you’re wrong. You do not factor into why she revealed this bit of information. You’re right. Nobody should ever saddle a prospective date with something that personal. It’s inappropriate. She lacks the social skills needed to know that. That’s what makes her a liability. A ten year relationship? Did they ever marry? Were they engaged? The potential bad judgment surrounding that scenario abounds. My guess is that she’s not looking for a relationship. She’s just looking to get back on the horse and have dates so she can feel more attractive. Same goes for men who offer such revelations. Except they’re also looking to get laid, since that’s what truly convinces a man that a woman finds him attractive.

This is why people should skip all the chit chat and decrease the amount of communicating they do before actually meeting someone in person. Inevitably someone says something stupid or inappropriate. You have to remember that everything you say is being put under a microscope. That’s why you should avoid discussing, among other things,  dating/relationship history. That topic is a minefield and gives people far too much ammunition. The whole subject should be avoided until the two people have established a level of trust and intimacy. Let them get a first hand sense of who you are in a relationship before you tell them about who you were in other relationships.

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Can You Find The Real Deal On An Online Dating Site?

Name: Clare
Age: 40
State: Belfast
Question: I recently met a man I really like on line, I have lots of other guys texting me but I get a real buzz when this guy does, he is funny and articulate and when he phones to speak to me we are on the phone for hours, but I have been separated now for 4 years. When I initially split with my husband I had met a guy online that I liked but was very needy and vulnerable and I frightened him off, I really don’t want to do that again.

He lives in another country, but as he is quite wealthy he has said he is going to come back here for a few months to spend some quality time with me, to see if there is anything behind what we have, when he went home he text  me within to days with his new mobile number to let me know he was back.

We didn’t sleep together as I’d met him on line and wasn’t comfortable about it and he respected that, but the more we got to know each other the better we get on. As I have been out of the dating game for so long, I’m not sure about anything any more, who texts first etc I really don’t want to appear as vulnerable, as I am a much stronger person now, but should we create mystery about ourselves, if so for how long? And is it possible to find the real deal on a dating site ?

 

Yes, I think it’s possible to find the real deal on a dating site. It just depends on what your definition of “the real deal” is. As I said last night in the comments, I’ve had a great deal of luck with online dating. But that’s mainly due to the fact that I’m not looking for long term commitment. I do a pretty good job of weeding out the time wasters. There’s the occasional gaffe, but they are very few and very far between. I have not had many of the stereotypical “bad online dates” we hear so much about on the internet. That’s only because I don’t go out with every guy who shows interest and know exactly what I want. I think people, especially people over 35, who join online dating sites looking for long-term commitment are going to be sorely disappointed. Long Term commitment no longer means moving in together or marriage. It means dating more than 6 months or so. Appropriate your expectations, learn how to filter and read people and embrace/understand your audience and you’ll have great success with online dating.

Unfortunately, I don’t this guy is the real deal. The wealthy man from another country schtick reeks of scammer or Man of Mystery type who flies around the world bedding women out of boredom. Since you admit that you are vulnerable, that cements my impression of this man even more. That is what these types specifically seek out. There are likely some clues to this vulnerability in your profile,too. If you have any mentions of being separated or unsure/hesitant in any way, that’s why draws men like this to you. As a commenter recently said, just because you and this guy got on well doesn’t mean he was actually interested in you. He was being polite. If he truly is wealthy and has the expendable cash flow to fly and meet you, I’m guessing he has just as many options a stone’s throw away from his WiFi spot. Therefore, why isn’t he dating one of those women if that’s what he actually wants? If he doesn’t have any options closer, then why?

Don’t fall into the trap of assuming that, because a guy stuck after he didn’t get sex, that means he’s “truly” interested. What else was he going to do? He was stuck somewhere unfamiliar and probably didn’t have anywhere else to go or anyone else to talk to. Trust me, he was hoping for and even expected sex. People don’t fly hundreds of miles for good conversation. I wouldn’t hold your breath hoping to see this guy again. He very well might text and chat with you, but you have dropped down the priority list.

As far as whether or not mystery is important, I say yes. That’s why you shouldn’t spend too much time communicating, flirting or otherwise “bonding” with someone you’ve only met online. It builds a false sense of security. It also makes you more vulnerable to those who might not be on the same page.  You’ll get too comfortable and share things you probably shouldn’t share, which leaves you open to being tricked or bamboozled.

Going forward, I would avoid the rich jet setter types who live far away. My instinct says that 50% of those men are looking for the low hanging fruit, and the other 50% can’t find a woman close to them due to a critical personality flaw.

 

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