Mystery vs. History

Last night’s episode of How I Met Your Mother inspired an interesting conversation between my friend and I. In this installment of the series, the main character, ted, had a first date with a woman he met at a bar. He immediately regretted telling his friends Robin and Barney because they are firm believers in the need to vet and Google all of Ted’s dates. The audience is then treated a series of flashbacks of Ted on a date and receiving a phone call from Barney or Robin with some sort of dark secret about Ted’s date. Of course, despite all of these “shady” revelations that include past obesity and criminal records, Ted sleeps with the women any way. Duh.

For this date with the woman at the bar, Ted makes Robin and Barney promise not to Google or Facebook stalk her. He then approaches his date and suggests that he and she have an “old fashioned’ date, where neither of them do any sort of Internet research on the other. She agrees. Which immediately makes Barney and Robin assume she’s hiding something.

Cut to the date and Ted and the woman both struggle to find things to talk about. Eventually they both admit to being nervous and conversation starts to flow easily.  Back at home, Barney and Robin are furiously scouring the web looking for information about Ted’s mystery date. Oh, they find something scandalous alright. Ted’s date was an Ivy League graduate who donated her liver to a stranger, inherited a billion dollar fortune and saved a drowning baby from a river. They text Ted a link to his date’s website. He struggles with whether or not to click. He does. He finds out about all of his dates accomplishments and becomes intimidated. He spends the rest of the date trying to measure up and compete with her. Now he has an image of her in his head based on a bunch of one dimensional articles. The date takes a bad turn, she leaves and Ted is sitting alone at the table knowing he blew a great date with an impressive woman.

I’ve mentioned before how I don’t Facebook friend, Twitter follow or Google any dates or men that I date. If they’re up to no good, I’ll sense it pretty quickly. The main reason I don’t do any of those things is that I want to build an impression of someone based on first hand experience, not a bunch of copy on a web site. People screw up and make mistakes. I find those things far more telling and interesting.

It’s hard to date in a time when we’re all so accessible. Depending on how much we share, we run the risk of people forming partial impressions of who we are. Take the example from last night’s post. The guy in that story had built up an idea of who I was because of this website. He made little effort to flesh out my particular character. The one dimensional image in his head was enough to prevent him from seeing me as a full person. Let’s say that you were really rich, famous or powerful. How would you feel if all your dates focused on your money and connections and made little effort to get to know you as a person? Exactly. It’s not fun. You start to wonder if they like you for you. Those quirks that he said he wasn’t sure he could get past were ones that he gleaned from reading posts, not talking directly to me. Once that image was in his head it was hard to get past it or convince him otherwise.

I’ve tapered back on the number of questions I ask dates. I figure that they will share what they want to share when they want to share it. I have yet to be bamboozled out of money, kidnapped or physically harmed. Sure, I’ve had the rare bump or bruise to my ego. But for the most part I have come out unscathed. I find not knowing too much makes the process that much easier.

The unfortunate part of being me is that I know that most innocuous comments aren’t really innocuous. Put them together and you have a certain picture in your head. It’s unfortunate but many of us have preconceived ideas associated with certain characteristics and criteria.

You work in finance? Self-important douche.

You’re a lawyer? Self-important, argumentative douche.

You make and sell your own line of handbags/headbands? Trust fund baby.

That’s why I try to avoid asking too many questions and don’t do any recon on my dates. I want to get to know them first-hand and build my perceptions based on those interactions. Through poking around online or digging too deep, I’m inevitably going to find something out that will give me pause. I’d rather have a more well rounded idea of who someone is before I do that.

Here’s an example: I’ve been going to the same dentist for about 10 years. I love him. He’s done exceptional work and has always been sensitive to my fear of dentists that began when I was a kid. I have been in and out of dentists offices since I was about 4 years old. I ended up having to Google him a few weeks ago to get his new number. Of course I come across a few Yelp review that were negative. Now instead of going into that appointment carefree, I was in a panic. Even though this doctor had been so good with me in the past, I had to get past those negative review. That was the first time in the ten years of my visits that I felt any pain during a procedure. Why? Because I had built up an image in my head. That doctor had to regain my trust, even though he didn’t know it.

This is why I tell all my profile review clients who use OK Cupid to stick to the softball questions that are asked that help gauge compatibility. Avoid revealing things that will likely make someone think twice or fill in the blanks with their imagination. There’s nothing more counter-productive than manufacturing someone’s back story based on some Facebook profile photos and tweets. I can assure you that you only have half the story. We share publicly what we want people to see and believe.

Like I said to Heather the other day, people are judgemental. This idea that someone should get to know you for you and not what you share on the internet is naive. That’s not how most people function these days. Certain things revealed will conjure up an image for some people. Those things can also attract the wrong people. The solution, of course,is quite simple. Share little to nothing that could be construed as provocative OR accept that 75% of the people that find you online will be repelled or disingenuous in one way or another. I accepted a long time ago that I was going to make a choice between what mattered more: my career or finding a guy. After weighing pros and cons and determining what was more likely to bring me the security and sense of accomplishment I needed to be happy, I chose this. I then re-appropriated my expectations and efforts, which eventually made my dating life exponentially easier. This blog doesn’t present me as particularly feminine. Quite the opposite. My insight into how men think combined with my demeanor make it difficult for men to see me as feminine. It’s a constant struggle, but one that I’m at least aware of and trying to rectify. I go into dates knowing that. It doesn’t hurt to get feedback on how a casual observer might perceive you based on what they find online.

I realize that many people have become dependent on the idea of Googling and all that. I guess what I’m suggesting is to remind yourself, as you’re traipsing through their online pantie drawer, that you don’t have the full picture. Before you let your mind run wild and all those insecurities and judgements come out, remember that what you see before you on Facebook or Twitter is a one dimensional representation of that person.If you’re not going to make the effort to get to know the person, then that should reveal how interested you were in the first place and what attracted you to that person.

To those who share and overshare, always anticipate the forthcoming judgments that will come your way. You might think, in the moment, what you’re saying is scathingly brilliant and funny and interesting. But before you click send or submit take those 3 seconds to ask yourself how this will make you look. Don’t be so eager to be written about on a blog. Think before you speak when you’re interviewed. Consider the ramification of what impressions certain photos will make.

Bad judgement is not something that people easily forgive.

 

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Sherlock Holmes Your Way To A Better Online Dating Experience

A little deductive reasoning can spare you an agonizing date.

If you’ve had a series of confusing (or even disturbing) online dates, then you probably overlooked some key clues in your companion’s profile. Take a look at this list and see if any of these red flags ring a bell.

 

*They only have one photo on their profile

What it says: Since most people can manage to scrape together at least 3 acceptable photos of themselves, just having one immediately sets off a red flag. Either the subject isn’t terribly trusting or invested in the process or could only manage to find one old-ish photo where they look attractive. If the person were subjectively good looking, they’d be able to find at least a couple pics that showcase their various angles.

*They only have photos of themselves taken by a phone or laptop

What it says: Most folks have an array of pictures taken from social events and gatherings. If someone doesn’t have even one of those on their profile, it’s probably because they lead a fairly insulated life with limited socialization.

*They post multiple attractive photos, but barely fill out their profile

What that says: They think the rules don’t apply to them. Online dating has a standard list of unspoken guidelines by which most people abide. People who think they can get away with skipping the basics strictly because they’re objectively attractive display an alarming sense of entitlement.

*They have multiple photos, but none with a clear shot of their face.

What it says: These people expect you to be so intrigued that you’ll feel compelled to respond. That indicates a sense of entitlement. That will only lead to further issues down the road. Or they’re hiding from someone.

*They verbalize deal-breakers

What it says: It’s perfectly acceptable to have preferences. Everybody does. Selecting “non-smoker” as a smoking preference is enough to tell me that you prefer not to date a smoker. Overtly stating that non-smokers/right wingers/blondes/Christians need not apply makes you sound intolerant. If you’re intolerant about one thing, you’re probably intolerant about others. Being opinionated if fine. Being intolerant suggests a rigidity and intensity that might be too much to handle.

*They reveal that they’re just out of a relationship

What it says: Someone who alerts you to the fact that they’re just out of a relationship is typically just looking for a quick hook up or trying to get back on the dating horse. Unless you want to be someone’s “get over the hump” hump, avoid them. “Just out of a relationship” is usually code for “Just looking for casual sex.” These people will expect you to be inordinately forgiving and understanding of their plight.

*The reveal sensitive details about their past

What it says: Sharing with the internet that your father abandoned you or that you were once tortured by an in home burglary sends the message that you carry heavy baggage and emotional scars. Most people know that that is a turn off. That’s why someone who would share such intimate information either lacks self-awareness or consistently seeks attention/praise/sympathy. Unless you have a thing for high maintenance mates, avoid.

*Their profile is excessively verbose

What it says: This person possesses a dazzling level of self-absorption if they expect people to muddle through their personal manifesto. Don’t make the mistake of assuming that more words means more emotional depth. The only thing they’re invested in is themselves.

*They take longer than a few hours to reply to an email

What it says: Unless they are trapped in a Panic Room without a signal, there is no excuse for taking longer than a few hours to reply to a message. People are attached to their smartphones, tablets, iPads and laptops. A long lapse in communication – without offering any explanation – conveys a low level of interest or schedule so filled (possibly by a mate) that they don’t have time to properly get to know someone.

*They’re vague about their availability

What it says: The whole point of dating online is to get offline. If someone drags their feet about setting up an initial meeting, there’s a reason and it’s rarely a good one. Cut your losses pronto or risk being strung along with innocuous texts every couple of days.

*They inform readers that they don’t typically initiate contact or check their inbox regularly

What it says: They’re risk averse. They expect you to make the first move so that they don’t have to chance being rejected.  Try to imagine dating someone who needs you to continuously prove yourself. Exhausting, yes?

While many of these seem elementary, understanding why people do these things will help you avoid the bad daters online and off.

Here’s one final bit of advice. When you come across something in a profile  or in offline interaction that feels off to you, stop and ask yourself ONE question:

Why would someone do that?

If you can’t come up with a reasonable explanation that doesn’t involve rationalizing, then that means you should probably move on. We’ve discussed critical thinking quite a bit here. Critical thinking is where you challenge commonly believed assumptions. Deductive reasoning takes that a step further. It involves cultivating enough knowledge, understanding and experience about your environment/subject to be able effectively analyze a given situation. The longer you do online dating and the more experience you gather, the quicker you will be able to spot red flags or potential problems.

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Are You An Online Dating Debbie Downer?

Name: Matt
Age: 34
State: PA
Question: Hello, here’s my question, preceded by a bit of exposition. Back in 2011, after a particular failure dating-wise, several people suggested online dating. Having used match.com and lavalife in the past and not being especially enamored with their services, I was reticent. But people kept saying how good okcupid was, and it was free so I tried it. Nine months and zero dates later, I disabled my account.

Not wanting to succumb to cynicism, I tried joining eharmony; I got one of the infamous “REJECTED” messages.

In April, a facebook friend asked me out; I didn’t think I’d be interested, but I decided to try anyway. In July, she was pressuring me to go into a more romantic direction, and I wasn’t feeling it. Being in a relationship solely because of fear of loneliness isn’t my style, so I broke things off.

So, I reactivated my okc account. 3 months, no dates. I deleted my account.

Since then, I’ve checked some newer sites that connect through facebook, but no one’s really using those.

Basically, my faith in online dating is at a critically low level. Is there anyway to restore it?

 


 

Being in a relationship solely because of fear of loneliness isn’t my style, so I broke things off.

Or maybe you broke things off because, and I’m just spit balling here, you thrive off being some sort of real life Debbie Downer (DebbieDownerHorn2)when it comes to dating? Maybe you just prefer to continue on doing things exactly the way you’ve been doing because they result in failure, not in spite of it? Maybe you’re looking to blame anyone and everything else for why you have such trouble because you don’t want to fix the one and only thing over which you have any control?

I mean, come on. You’ve even set up your life in such a way to make dating that much more difficult by working the night shift. Granted, you probably don’t have much control over that and need to work. I understand. It’s like what DMN says: don’t do things that will make dating more difficult. Don’t get a dog. Don’t stop taking care of yourself. Don’t put a tattoo on your face. Subtract. Don’t add. If you work mostly at night, and you include that in your profile, that’s probably a leading cause to the lack of response you’re getting. Oh, something else killing your chances? If you mention your blog devoted to comic books. Yeah, that’s a lady boner killer, too. Dude, it sounds like you kind of thrive off of being undateable to some degree. The problem isn’t the medium you’re using. The problem is that you’re obviously not using the medium to your advantage or want to succeed.

Look at what you’re doing. You’re utilizing methods that have only proven failure to you. You “try” sites that don’t have a lot of people. You keep going back to OKC even though you don’t get any responses. You even left a relationship because you felt like you were settling or compromising or some other such nonsense.You are a prime example of someone who relies upon confirmation bias to shape and validate their perceptions about dating.

Dating is hard. Online dating especially. It takes effort and follow through and self-awareness and tolerance and a thick skin. Anything with such a frequent rejection rate does. But if you really want to make it work for you, you can. You just have to be willing to follow the guidelines, appropriate your expectations and accept your station.

You remind me of the women who email me asking to see photos of people registered for Speeddating events or who ask me if it’s worth their while. What they’re really requesting is that I convince them to attend. Which I don’t do because a) I don’t have to, as we sell out our female spots for every event and b) people like this are a nightmare to date. I employ all kinds of screening tactics and remove people from lists and groups if I feel they are bad daters.

Matt, it’s not my responsibility to convince you why or how online dating works. If you want to believe that it doesn’t work for you, then it never will. I happen to think online dating works. My success with it started when I appropriated my expectations, embraced my audience and stopped caring. I met a guy on OKC when I had the casual sex box checked and he asked me if I saw a future for us. Who knew? Instead of judging him or placing certain expectations on things, I just met him for a drink with an open mind. If you go into every dating endeavor thinking you have it all figured out or believing it won’t work, then expect to fail. This is why so many people struggle the way they do. They brace themselves for the #FAIL, which then becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. They have continued down the same path over and over again, choosing the wrong people or engaging in the same behavior and then are shocked – shocked I tell you! – when yet another relationship implodes or never materializes.

If you’re not having success meeting people online or off, then I’m not sure the problem is online dating. I’m thinking it’s you. Either there is something about you physically that is working against you, or you’re not projecting yourself the best way you can or your attitude is holding you back.

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What Do You Do When An Ex Publicly Calls You Out?

Question: What’s your advice to a man who was recently blasted on OK Cupid and Twitter (by username) by a woman he dated a few times? I met A. through OKC. She mentioned in her profile that she wrote for a website/blog. My curiosity got the better of me and I asked for the link. From there I found her Twitter and followed her. After a couple dates I got the feeling we wouldn’t be a good mix. I ended things after the 4th date. Looking back I should have followed my initial instincts and ended things before they went too far. We had sex on the third and fourth date. After that I told her I didn’t think things would work out. I thought I’d wait awhile before unfollowing her. The day after I “broke up” with her she updated her OKC profile and said she was off the market for a bit because of being humiliated by me. The same day she posted a link to my OKC profile on her Twitter feed telling everybody what an ass I was. This all happened two weeks ago and she’s still saying things. Should I contact her and try to smooth things over? – G., 33 – Facebook

 

Do not contact her. It’ll just give her more to bitch and complain about. Trust me. I know of what I speak on this matter. Any attempt to offer an olive branch will seem phony at this point.

I’m not sure how you found out that she said anything. Did someone alert you to this fact? Or were you creeping her pages just to be sure she wasn’t bad mouthing you? If it’s the latter, then stop that pronto. If she bad mouths you, she bad mouths you. As long as she’s not naming you by name, then who gives a shit? Disable your OK Cupid profile and start a new one. There. Problem solved. Could she find it and continue to bad mouth you? Yes. Again, who gives a shit? Just by outing you she looks psychotic and anybody who would listen to her isn’t worth your time. Just stop caring about this. If she finds out that you’re watching her, I guarantee you she will keep it up. I am absolutely guilty of this. When I found out that someone I was involved with was creeping all my social media, I made it a point to say things on Twitter (and only Twitter) that he could construe were about him. Petty? Counter-productive? Yes and Yes. Bite me. It felt great. I never used specifics or linked to anything, nor did I make it a daily or even weekly habit. The only reason he knew what I was saying was because he was watching. (I had changed all the URLs/usernames to my social media profiles because of him. The only way he would have been able to find the new pages was if he either a) made a point to find the new address or b) been following me under a fake profile all along. See how that works?) He eventually wrote me and warned me that his gf’s ex-cop uncle was monitoring my online activity across various sites. That’s why, OP, you shouldn’t say anything. You’ll be outing yourself as reading her stuff and end up looking stalkery (and flat out pathetic) yourself.

A few tips for venting about an ex publicly:

1. Never use specifics of any kind - You can’t be reckless in this day and age. No, you’re not being careful if you only reveal their unique first name. You’re doing it intentionally to make them look bad, and that makes you an asshole with impulse control issues. Be careful not to reveal anything that will lead people right to your subject. Remember this: the enemy of my enemy is my friend. If you’ve got skeletons of your own, you can be sure they’ll tumble out of that closet right quick.

2. Never use criticism to smoke someone out – If your ex refuses to reply to your attempts at contact, take that as a sign that they don’t want to talk to you. Running to Twitter, Facebook and YouTube to publicly reveal intimate details about their life in dribs and drabs is not the way to get them to respond.  Behavior like that makes you look like an awful, immature, vindictive crazy person, despite what your sycophantic followers tell you.

3. Have some dignity - Rolling around wailing on Twitter is not only unbecoming, it’s insufferable and unbearable to watch. If you get dumped, lick your wounds privately. Again, trust me on this, The last person you want seeing you so vulnerable is the person that you believed hurt you. It gives them far too much power over you. They’ll watch and wait and strike when they think you’re vulnerable.

4. Keep private matters private - Leave text messages and emails and profile info offline. Look, just because it didn’t work out for you doesn’t mean they aren’t a good person. Learn the difference between a good person in a bad situation and a bad person.

5. Remember that it’s a small world - Take, for example, an email I received the other night from a reader. They happened to be a reader of another blog. A recent post perked up their ears because the numerous specifics mentioned about the guy in question fit a regular commenter here. Sure enough, when I read the blog, I realized the woman was lambasting someone I knew. And while he absolutely brought it upon himself, she still looked bad for what she said and came off immature and spiteful.

 

Tips to avoid being bitchy blogger fodder:

1. Do your research - Your first clue that this girl was going to do something like this was that she admitted in her profile that she writes for a website or keeps a blog. That’s your cue. These are rarely isolated incidents. Meaning, this woman has undoubtedly done this before. If you read her website or tweets and she seems attention whorey, you can be sure she’ll eventually use you as bait to get it. If she does appear loose lipped, approach with caution.

2. Don’t lie about reading her blog or tweets – Granted, deep down, we know that it’s a lie. But if you tell us that you’re not reading, we’re going to test you. That’s when the rubber hits the road. Let me tell you, if we know we have you or anyone close to you as part of our audience, we’ll use this to our advantage.

3. Don’t put anything you don’t want public knowledge in writing – Keep all communication during the first few dates brief and innocuous. That person has to prove themselves to you. Before our first date, the guy I’ve been dating and I talked about what I do for a living. We even read some of the blog together. I was open to any and all concerns he voiced. As someone who does this for a living or for a hobby, you have to understand that what we do is really unsettling to most men.

4. Don’t date someone because of their blog - Oh, so you like to be written about? Remember you said that. Nobody likes to feel like an experiment.

5. Don’t follow them on social media until things get serious – That way, there’s no messy unfollowing or defriending.

I say you try and capitalize on this. Let this girl give you free promotion. The smart women will recognize that you dumped a Crazy. Or her hate followers will do what they can to get one over on her and try to date you so they can rub her face in it. Whatever you do, do not contact her and try to ignore it. She’s trying to get your attention because she hopes you’re reading. Don’t react and I assure you she’ll get tired of it and find another victim. Don’t unfollow her or block her, either. Do not reveal your presence at all. If she sees that she’d getting to you, she’ll keep it up.

 

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Beware The Facebook Friend Collector & Guys Who Just Want to Be Friends

Name: Lala
Age: 28
State: MN
Question: I recently separated from my husband. We are getting divorced and I have started dating. My ex has a serious girlfriend.

I had an intense, horrible relationship with someone right out the door. I was not ready to date anyone and it ended very badly. This was very hard for me since I had only been in one serious relationship, the one with my soon to be ex-husband. I was 16 when I met him, 18 when we had our son, and 21 when I married him. I’m now 28. Needless to say, I am very new to dating.

Eventually I was feeling like getting back on the horse and one of my coworkers mentioned an online dating site. I always looked down on them in the past and didn’t really want to do it, but I didn’t want to go to the bar every time I didn’t have my son and end up making the same mistakes with the same kind of guys.
I tried out two. One I paid for and one was free. The paid site was horrible for my confidence. It seemed as though I was not attractive to the kind of guys I was looking for. The free site was like a shock in the water. I received email after email after email!!! I was excited yet kind of taken back by this. I talked to a LOT of guys in the first month on that site and yet only two from the paid site. The two on the paid site were nice and seemed more interested in actual relationships. I only met up with one. He was what I thought I was looking for, but he was not interested in me for more than friendship. That is what he told me after the date anyway. He ended up trying to hook up with me a few times a few weeks later.

I met up with a lot of guys from the free site. All were nice, some more fun than others, all very attractive, but I have yet to make a connection with any of them. They like me and text a lot, but I seem to get to a third date and feel like they are not what I’m looking for.

During the middle of this, and what I am writing this about, I got all dolled up and went dancing with a group of people for my niece’s 21st birthday. I hadn’t really dressed up since before I separated and since I had lost some weight,  I was feeling pretty good and decided  to wear a sexy outfit and show myself off.
We went dancing and I let loose. I had a really great time. Just about to the end of the night, I was standing in an open area away from the dance floor just to the side of the bar. My best friend and I were posing for a picture. We were being kind of silly and having fun with it. After that we went to return to the dance floor. I was approached by a VERY attractive guy. He was dark and handsome and I stood and talked with him for about a half hour. I, being a bit intoxicated, told him he was adorable and was about to walk away when he asked for my number. I gave it to him and went on dancing until the place closed and we all left.
Later that night, he called me while we were getting some food. I walked outside and talked with him for a few minutes and invited him to come hang out with us at the party back at the house. He said he couldn’t but would like to see me again soon.

The next day I didn’t even really remember him getting my number and when I thought about it, I figured he and I were just drunk and he would not end up contacting me again. I was wrong. He texted me the next day and asked how the rest of my weekend was. We chatted a little and friended each other on Facebook. It turns out he is a model and a bartender. I was a little surprised that he had interest in me. Now, I have confidence, but this specimen was a little “out of my league”.

We have continued to talk on the phone from time to time, text and we have made plans to meet up. He got sick the first time, the second time my car broke down.  He texted me on the way back from his sister’s wedding the other day and said that he was thinking about me all weekend.

I have continued to meet up with people from the online site for dates and even met someone the good old fashioned way and went on a couple of dates with him, but this weekend I decided to do something different. I texted him and said: “I know this might be a little out of the blue, but I am a very straight forward person. I know we don’t know each other very well,  but are you interested in me for dating or are you simply looking for friendship?” I got an almost instant response. It usually takes him a few minutes between texts, this was lighting fast. He said: “Well, I don’t know you very well. That is my fault though. I think you are cool and I am going to make time for you this week no matter what.” I was about to reply and he also sent: “I love that you asked that!” I ended up replying with a simple thanks and said for him to get in touch with me this week.

So, long story short, I am wondering if I should count this guy out or if I should try to meet up again and see where it goes. I’m a little skeptical because he is nice, funny and very attractive. I know he has a lot of females in his life. I don’t want to feel “special” if I’m really not.

Thanks,
L

 

This guy is collecting female friends for his Facebook page so he can make himself seem desirable.He’s getting number after number at these clubs where he hangs out, adding them to his phone and maintaining conversations with multiple women at any given time.

Anyone that eager to let you into their Facebook/Twitter/Blog world is probably just seeking attention. They don’t care what you see, what pics you view or what wall posts you read. They just want the addition to their follower count and to show off. They want an audience.

He called later that night after meeting you because he was looking for someone to hook up with and couldn’t find anyone else. That’s all he wants, I think. He’ll probably try to make last minute plans with you should he not have anything else going on. He’ll invest just enough, sending texts and complimenting you. That’s so he can offer that last minute invite and it will seem genuine and not just a last ditch effort.

You’re not special to him. Nobody is.

As for the paid versus free online dating sites, yes, you’re going to kind fewer clowns on the paid sites. There will still be some, but not as many as the free sites. Don’t assume that because someone pays for their membership that that means they’re more serious, though.They’re paying to avoid the flakes and clowns as well as to meet people who actually want to get offline. Also realize that, on the paid sites, many of the people you see with “active” profiles aren’t paying members. That means they can’t email you or respond to messages. That’s part of the reason why you received so few messages.  This is the main reason why I won’t pay for a Match.com subscription or a Nerve Dating membership. I will not use a “free to sign up but you have to pay to contact people” site. They might have a lot of members, but my guess is very few of them pay to be there and have no emailing capability.  At least with a free site you know everybody can reply or respond. There are way fewer fake or dead profiles.

As for your guy who didn’t want more than friendship, dig this: he says that to everybody. PS? Being “just friends” does not involve having sex. Like your Facebook guy, this guy takes out woman after woman and tells her the same story. They agree to be friends because he follows through and wants to “hang out as friends.” Then he makes his move.  He’s just looking for casual hook ups.  If he just came out and said that, nobody would go out with him. So he takes them on a date, tells them he just wants to be friends, hangs out under the guise of being friends and then they hook up.

And…scene.

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How Sexy is Too Sexy for Online Dating Profile Pics?

Name: Lisa
Website:
Question: Dear Moxie,

My question pertains to profile pictures for women: I know that your general guideline (for women and men alike) is 3-5 photos, including (at least) one clear headshot and one full-body shot.

My question relates to photos in both categories: can you provide some guidance on how sexy is too sexy? A good (male, straight) friend of mine in Los Angeles often asks me to look at the OKC profiles of women he is interested in, and I’m often in awe of *just how sexy* some women are comfortable being. Seeing how commonplace these photos are makes me wonder if I’m too prudish in my own photos. I think every woman would like to appear alluring in her photos, but not necessarily “DTF” or completely narcissistic.

So, Moxie – what is the line between “sexy” and “former stripper?” What do you think of bikini photos and the like? Am I missing out if I don’t have at least one midriff-baring photo in my profile?

–Lisa, 32, Washington, DC

 

The lesson I learned after my “checking the casual sex box” experiment is that it doesn’t take much to get people to sexualize you or make assumptions. Whether you are wearing an over-sized sweat shirt or a bikini, if a man is looking for a woman who is “DTF” (Down To F*ck”) then he is going to approach her and view her in that manner.

Personally, I don’t see anything wrong with being sexy in a photo or two. Breaking news: men like sex. Nobody said a woman can’t use sex to lure a man in. We just say that she needs to follow through or run the risk of coming off like a tease. If sex is used as a lure, understand that men will probably get right to the point and see no need to “play the game.” If anything, it’s a great litmus test. Even without having the casual sex box checked on my profile, I still received messages from men that made comments about my  “hot mouth” or how they have a “curly hair fetish.” They comment on my calves, my legs, etc. I’ve posted the photo I used as my primary profile photo here before. It’s me in a below the knee length black cocktail dress. My hips and breasts are accentuated due to the cut of the dress and my pose. It’s sexy. Because of that photo, guys make assumptions. Not just because of my body, but because of the fact that I posted it in the first place. They assume that I am more direct, so they’re more direct. They’re clowns, of course, and I treat them as such by not replying and blocking them. They tell me I’m beautiful, etc because they’re either cutting to the chase or have no options. The ones that make crude comments, I report. (Sorry, I don’t care what any of you say, there’s a line of what’s appropriate. That I have to explain that to anybody is sad in and of itself. Boo hoo. I reject guys.)

If a guy wants to get laid, he’ll hone in on anything he can and make it sexual to see how the woman reacts. If she responds favorably, she’s just made the cut to the next round of interviews. There’s no point in trying to analyze how sexy is too sexy, as you’ll never be able to totally avoid meeting a man online who will sexualize or judge you.

If you’re looking for an actual “too sexy” barometer, again, that’s subjective. A woman posing in a bikini might just be showing off her body or how fit she is. How men interpret those photos are about them, not her. I think the bigger cause for concern that arises with posting “sexy” photos is that men might assume the woman is just high maintenance/looking for attention and will never being content with compliments from just him. I think anything is fair game as long as you’re willing to own it and that it’s an authentic expression of who you are. Keep the “sexy” pics to a minimum, though. One or two out of five to seven isn’t a big deal.

Your male friend asked you to look over profiles of women he’s considering dating, yes? Well, if he’s interested in these women, what does that tell you? It tells me that the overt sexiness you’re seeing in those photos either doesn’t matter at all to him or doesn’t exist. You said it yourself. You are “in awe” of just how comfortable some women are being sexy. Yet your male friend is attracted to such women. So, is it really that you’re afraid to be seen as “DTF” or are you just threatened by women who express such a sexual confidence and fear they’ll beat you at your own game?

You also have to realize that some of these women your friend found attractive likely post “sexy” photos with the intention of getting attention.They want to get emails from guys telling them how hot they are. These ladies might not have any intention of meeting these guys. Therefore, they don’t care about being judged. The want to be objectified. They shouldn’t be used as a template, if that’s the case.

Since I’ve seen your photos, I’m guessing this is where you want me to tell you that you’re attractive and blah blah and these women are all just slutty slut sluts so don’t worry. I’m not going to do that. I don’t think you’re actually looking for a guideline for what’s appropriate. You want me to tell you those other women are bad and you’re good and they’ll attract nothing but dogs. Sorry, that’s not true. Despite what you hear around the internet, some really good, interesting, decent men like “sluts.” It’s all in the presentation and execution, though.

There real problem here is that you’re uneasy with the fact that men find sex appealing and you fear you might attract the “wrong” guys. Again, allow me to remind you that this is online dating. The “wrong guys” are everywhere. Nobody says you have to go out with them or even sleep with them. If you’re afraid of dating the wrong guys, don’t date at all. Especially online.

Women need to learn to hone, trust and listen to their own instincts. That’s what this all boils down to. Many women want a sure fire way to avoid dating a loser or getting played. There is none. All we have is experience and lessons learned. The women constantly looking for monsters around every corner are ones who lacked inexperience and never learned their lessons.

Someone on topic: I wanted to stick this here so that it would get properly addressed. It’s a comment from a reader:

Is anyone here willing to fess up about paying for a background check? I’m curious as to why, what it cost, and what info they give you. I think Moxie may be right about why for some people, but I also think some of the people who get them might be older? or secret millionaires? And if you get one, and it says absolutely nothing interesting, has the demon been put to rest?

Here’s something I’ll add that I find interesting. In just about all of the stories I have heard from women who tell me of performing a background check or done extensive research on a man, the woman continued to date the man even after finding out “scandalous” things.

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Must Have Dating Skill – Emotional Maturity

Name: Amy
Age: 30
State:
Question: I wrote in several months ago about a guy I was dating who’d invited me to Thanksgiving with his family, but didn’t want to be in a relationship.  We were only dating and sleeping with each other, we said we loved each other, we did everything a couple does except calling each other boyfriend and girlfriend.

He said he wanted to lose weight, he wanted to get a job he was happy with, he wanted to be completely over his ex and other hard stuff from the past, that he had a lot to work on before he could be in a relationship.  He said he had too much to deal with in his world to take on somebody else’s world.  (I should note here that I’ve know him for thirteen years, though we only really got to know each other last year.  His sister and I are old high school friends.  His dad and I get along wonderfully.  This isn’t just some random guy.)  Anyways, all those things made sense to me.  He told his dad he loved me, but wasn’t ready for a relationship; he told his friends, too.  Believing I understood the situation, I asked for space, so he could get his stuff together and so I wouldn’t feel like I was being strung along.

He called drunk one night, saying he was a loser and missed me.  I tried to be comforting and understanding.  He called me drunk again on New Years and talked for an hour, literally an hour, about how he was talking about me all night, how he missed and loved me, how I was so thoughtful, and then started crying about the sweetness of the Christmas gift I gave him.  It pulled on my heart so much that, like a dope, I went over his place.  During sex, he did something that I’d already told him I didn’t like; I got upset.  I didn’t get angry, I got sad.  I just started crying and told him I didn’t like that and he knew it.  I asked him to please talk with me so we could both be on the same page, so maybe he could understand, really, why I didn’t like that, and so I could stop hurting.  He refused.  He said he didn’t care.  I was incredibly confused and hurt and broke the Christmas gift I got him (anger/violence is really out of character for me).  He then kicked me out.

A month later (a day or two after I’d contacted a therapist to help sort out all my confusion and hurt), I got a three minute long voicemail from him, saying he was sorry, that it didn’t take him a month to realize he was wrong, but his ego was in the way, that I deserved better than that, that he didn’t want me to think he was a jerk who didn’t care, that he didn’t expect this to fix anything, but just really wanted to say he was sorry.  I didn’t respond.  He sent an email a few days later, saying he hoped I got his voicemail and that he hoped all was well with me and that he had a job interview soon.

I didn’t want to call or email, but I didn’t want to leave him hanging, either, because I know that that hurts.  I wrote him a letter, snail mail, and thanked him for apologizing, told him he still meant a lot to me, that his apology meant a lot to me and that it gave me what I needed to heal.  I told him I just needed space, to process everything, to feel okay about it all.  He emailed me right away after he got the letter.  In his email he made a joke about the thing he did during sex; I don’t want to say what he did, but the joke went something like: I’m sorry I did that to you.  It felt amazing and that’s why I did it.  If you weren’t so much fun to have sex with, maybe I wouldn’t have done it and maybe you wouldn’t be so mad at me.

He also said he didn’t want us to rehash/discuss what happened anymore, that he was tired of dissecting stuff like that . . . then he explained his side.  I realize he sounds like an ass, and definitely screwed with my head, but I’m still hurt.  He was the first guy I ever had sex with.  I’m 30 and I realize that’s not common, but because of past sexual and verbal abuse, it was incredibly hard for me to let men get close.

Anyways, after his email, I wrote back, saying I didn’t think his joke was funny, and that he explained his side after saying he didn’t want to discuss it anymore.  I wrote: people have the want/need to be understood, but they also have the need/want to not have to deal with hard things; maybe you needed both.  I told him I still cared about him, but was very hurt and to please not write back anymore.  He wrote back right away, saying he was sorry, and he included a link to a cute animal picture (I love cute animals).  I didn’t write back.  Several days later, he sent another email with another cute animal link. At this point, I was having panic attacks when I saw his name in my inbox.  A few days later, I finally wrote back telling him all this was very hard, that he needed to be fair in terms of communication, to be all in or all out, to either have a long, hard discussion with me about everything or leave me alone completely.  This was in February.  I haven’t heard from him since.

Five or six weeks after I sent him that email, on April 1st, he got into a relationship with a girl he was already friends with, who, about a month or two prior, separated from her husband (a guy she dated for years and was married to for not even a year).  After a week of them being boyfriend and girlfriend, he took her to Easter dinner with his family.  I’ve deleted him from Facebook and have deleted my account all together, but the last I saw was that he was working out and was much “healthier and happier”; his girlfriend liked it and commented that she would “love it” if she could.

I am in therapy to help me deal with all the confusion, which is helping, but I’m writing to get as many points of view as possible; I’m still confused about it all.  It’s May and I’m better, but I still get really sad sometimes.  Here’s my questions: is it normal to still get so hurt/sad by stuff that happened three months ago?  From the outside, his new relationship looks like a rebound, or a confidence booster for both parties, but could it be real?  That blows my mind and makes me feel like he was lying to me the whole time about not being ready, which means he was using me, which makes me feel awful inside, because I believed him and believed in him.

I think this would be a lot easier if I wasn’t friends with his sister and dad.  I’m going to her wedding later this year and am so scared to see him there, to maybe see him with this girlfriend who he got with so soon after me.

 

I’m 30 and I realize that’s not common, but because of past sexual and verbal abuse, it was incredibly hard for me to let men get close.

Okay, but you let this guy get close. That negates the “I was abused and it’s hard for me to let a guy in” reasoning. It’s not hard for you to let a guy in. It’s hard for you to let the right guys in and reject the wrong ones. This is similar to the excuses you read in the dating blogosphere. The women in their thirties and forties whining about how hard it is for them to trust men and that’s why they keep dating unavailable men or none of their relationships work out. The relationships don’t work out because the women are limited or damaged in some way and refuse to change. They like being the wounded bird. It’s a comfortable and convenient excuse to explain why they can’t keep a guy around. You can’t keep falling back on the abuse excuse to justify your behavior. It’s not an excuse. It’s a contributing factor, but not an excuse. I say that as someone who has been through a similar experience. We don’t get to play that card after a certain point. We just don’t. You just don’t go breaking items in people’s homes and then say, “But..but..I was abused!” It’s great that you’re in therapy, but if your sessions revolve around examining his behavior and relationship, you’re wasting your money.

I don’t want to say what he did,

Trust me. Most of us have figured it out. I get that you set a boundary and he crossed it and you felt violated. You are absolutely justified in being upset at that. Someone who does that doesn’t respect you. He then made it worse by trying to downplay it. This guy is a mess in numerous ways.

Here’s my questions: is it normal to still get so hurt/sad by stuff that happened three months ago?

Nobody gets to dictate when or how you process something. Normal is subjective. Is it destructive to stew in this situation? Yes. It’s not healthy. But you’ll get through it when you get through it. You have no experience with this, which is why it’s taking so long to heal. Like anything else, it’s a learning process. Trust me. You’ll eventually get to a point where you look at his Facebook page and laugh at him. Once you stop caring what he thinks, you’ll be surprised how easy it is to see him for who he really is.

From the outside, his new relationship looks like a rebound, or a confidence booster for both parties, but could it be real?

Sure. He could even marry her. I highly doubt it’s any more healthy than his relationship with you, though. He just managed to find someone who accepts and embraces his immaturity and stupidity. They aren’t compatible in spite of his issues. They are compatible because of them.

That blows my mind and makes me feel like he was lying to me the whole time about not being ready, which means he was using me, which makes me feel awful inside, because I believed him and believed in him.

Yup. That sucks. But I don’t think he was lying about being ready. I don’t think he is ready for a truly mature and adult relationship. Like I said, he just found someone who is accepting of his very obvious limitations. Someone who will fawn over him on Facebook and write cutesy replies to his lame commentary. Men like this don’t wake up one day and become self-actualized and mature human beings. They just find someone who doesn’t know any better and then hopes for the best.

You’re both emotionally immature. That’s why you engaged each other. That’s why you believed him. He will never truly understand why you were hurt. There is no point in trying to get him to see your side of things. He’s not capable of doing that.

Use this experience to propel you to the next level.

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Blindsided By A Break Up Email

Name: Lucy
Age: 31
State: NYC
Question:
My boyfriend of three months and I recently booked a weekend trip to Miami for Memorial Day Weekend. (He paid for the tickets.) Over the weekend he sent me an email telling me that he didn’t feel we were ready to travel together and that he wanted some time to think about things.  This came on so suddenly that I didn’t know how to respond. I already took the days off work to accommodate this trip. How could he do this so last minute and by email? How should I respond? Should I call him? I’m so shell shocked I don’t know what I would say. What do you think I should do?

 

Okay. First, breathe. I don’t blame you for being upset at this. In your mind, you were blindsided. But before you react, let’s break this whole thing down.

First, let’s address the “my boyfriend” thing. I’m not privy to the details or conversations where you two agreed to be “boyfriend” and “girlfriend.” I do know that women tend to take the “my boyfriend” ball and run with it. Men let them because it’s easier than having some drawn out conversation. The words boyfriend and girlfriend really should be erased from the dictionary at this point, as they mean nothing. They are juvenile terminology we use to help us clarify and identify a relationship. What matters is whether or not the two people involved in the relationship have a) sacrificed something for the other person and b)expressed or pledged and explicit desire to be exclusive. (Even then there’s no guarantee, but for the purpose of this conversation let’s assume there is.) Sacrifice is key. Does this person give something up for you? Do they relinquish a level of power or sense of security to you? If not, then this is a faux-lationship with an expiration date.

Now, let’s go on the presumption that he did these things for you. There is nothing written that says someone is required to invest a certain amount of time in or on a relationship once they have committed. He tried it and it wasn’t shaping up to what he wanted or thought it could be. He’s allowed to do that, as are you. He thought you two were ready to go to the next level and now he’s reconsidering. The why’s are inconsequential. He’s not there yet and he may never be. You can not speed up the process. Is the timing awful? Yes. But such is life. Sadly, we do not get to schedule or choose when we are dumped. For him to do something like this should tell you just how apprehensive he was. Which brings us to the next point.

Things like this rarely happen out of the blue. There were signs. We ignored them. They don’t have to be glaring red flags either. They could be as tiny as a hesitation to answer certain questions or have conversations. Many times they are obvious. Like when he says he wants to get to know you better before committing. But signs or no signs, he’s not ready or not interested. Period. Do not pass Go.

As for the way in which he did this, I’m torn. The bottom line is that he told you. There are people out there who never get that explanation. I think 3 months is enough time where a phone call is warranted. But that’s me, and that’s you. That’s not everybody. People are split down the middle in regards to the appropriate and effective ways we communicate. He knew you’d be hurt and would probably want to talk it out. He didn’t want to fight or talk. He felt guilty enough.  (Maybe.)  Or maybe he always knew this was coming. I have no idea. He won’t give you the real answer, either. He wanted to cancel that trip. You can call him cowardly or lazy all you like. It doesn’t change the fact that this appears to be over. Trying to piece it all together will make you crazy.

You can reply to him and express your confusion and hurt. Just don’t expect him to come running back. If he wanted to speak on the phone with you, he’d have called. He will ignore your calls. So don’t bother trying.

As hard as it sounds, you need to try and put this out of your mind. It’s possible you’ll get an answer in a  few weeks. Be prepared to never get a resolution. If you do, it’s a bonus.

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When Do You Go Public?

It used to be that only celebrities had to be concerned with going public with a new relationship. Nobody likes to get dumped or have a broken engagement. (Hello, Bennifer.) Nor do people like having certain aspects of their love lives be made public fodder. (Well, some do. Especially people who need drama in order to keep their lives and relationships interesting.)

Nowadays we all are mini-celebrities thanks to social media. Each of us – at least those that choose to participate in Facebook or Twitter or Blogging or even online dating – now make our love lives accessible to the masses. And the stalkers. And the exes.

The question used to be about when we should introduce our partners to our friends and family.  Now we have a whole other consideration. How much of our dating history do we wish to make known and when? How do we make room for the new without disrespecting the old?

I recently went through my Facebook page and deleted some photos. There weren’t any of past lovers or exes. I don’t post pictures like that. It’s hard enough for a man to date a woman who creates a public persona for herself. He doesn’t need to be tossed into the fishbowl with me. Though maybe someday soon I’ll feel differently and a lot less paranoid.

I was once using a friend’s computer while at his place. As he sat and watched TV, I was working on his laptop. In order to post a column to Facebook, I had to be logged in to Facebook to do it. My friend happened to walk over to me while I was doing this and asked if that was my Facebook page. (He doesn’t have one due to his job.) He asked if he could look at my page.

“Who’s this?” he asked?

It was a shot of me and a friend from a party last summer. I explained who he was and how I knew him. And that he was now married.The conversation was quick and painless, mostly due to the fact that I didn’t have much on my page that would encourage more discussion. But not everybody shares the same thinking. They upload their whole lives. At the time I;m sure it felt like the right thing to do. I just remember wondering if they ever wished they had done more housekeeping before someone new walked through the door to their past.

When do you go public with a new relationship? I’m not talking about updating a relationship status. I’m talking about incorporating someone into your online life. Do you want people knowing about your new love? Or are you afraid to make something public domain for fear it will blow up in your face?

The other question that arose was how you respectfully turned the page to a new chapter in your life without offending someone. Do you delete the photos? Put them in their own album and adjust the settings so only you can view them?

What if you broke up with someone? When do you gently try to move on without hurting your ex should they still follow you or see your page? Do you even care? Do you contact them and let them know of the new development so they can hear it from you?

Finally…do you ask permission of the person you’re dating if it’s okay to post photos of the two of you?

What’s your personal protocol?

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The Stranger

Name: Kitty

State: NY
Age: 45
Comment: Hi Moxie:  So I’m giving online dating a try and signed up for JDate.  My Modern Orthodox community here on Long Island is medium size, but I’m open to meeting less religious types…and those outside of my immediate area.  Among those that keep showing up as ideal matches are a few guys in my community…two of whom are actually interesting.  Not sure how to handle the “I see you on JDate” thing, I sent each of them a cute email which essentially said “Hi I see you here online, nice profile”.  Nothing more personal.  One man I know (he’s in the fashion biz and seems to date models), and the other is a very high profile business man.  (He’s widowed).

I should add that I have kids in middle school and both of these gents have kids who are in college and beyond…so unless they want a busy household…I won’t be interesting on that level either.

Did I do the wrong thing by saying a nice hello online?  Both responded politely, nothing more.  Not that I’m really expecting something, but I’m curious as to how YOU would handle things when you see someone in your extended circle on line.

 

Here’s what I think, and this is definitely going to be colored by my personal preference.

In today’s world, many of us have online and offline personas. We all feel somewhat vulnerable about who sees and who knows what.  I’ve had men reply to my dating profile and refer to the column or call me Moxie. I don’t like it. I always delete those emails or don’t respond. If I did respond, it would only encourage the guys to continue emailing me and I don’t want that. As I’ve said before, I don’t date men who show interest in the column in any way beyond general curiosity or who offer themselves up as column fodder. These men are showing interest in Moxie, not the real me. I am at a distinct disadvantage with those men, since they have access to me that I don’t have of them.  That makes me way too vulnerable, so I avoid them at all costs.  I’ve been involved with someone who did that, who used information he learned from monitoring me online without my knowledge, and used said information to his advantage while feigning ignorance.  I’m sure most of these men have no malicious intent. But some do, so they all get thrown in one group. Not a risk I’m willing to take.

While there is no real stigma to dating online anymore, that doesn’t mean people are totally comfortable with folks from their “real” lives knowing anything about their personal lives that they do not choose to share. It’s not about being embarrassed. It’s about feeling a little too vulnerable. We’re all so accessible now that I think many people prefer to believe – even if it isn’t true – that they can still be somewhat anonymous. (PS? You submitted this letter using your real name. In the future, be sure to use an alias. If I didn’t know you, I may have posted this letter using your real name thinking it was an alias. )

I often see people I know on various dating sites. I don’t contact them unless we’re close friends. If I know them well enough and want to say hello, I email them. But if they are just guys I’ve dated or acquaintances? I let them go about their business. I allow them to believe that nobody is watching. Dating is hard enough. Nobody wants to think that someone is monitoring their personal lives in some way. Sure, people might say that they’re choosing to put themselves out there, etc. Yes, I agree. But there’s a difference between putting themselves out there the way I or any other blogger does it and the way a “civilian” does it.

I think, should you encounter other men online that you know in real life, you shouldn’t acknowledge that in your intro email. If they recognize you, they recognize you.  By saying something to them about how you know them offline, it could make them a bit…paranoid. By not saying something, you’re demonstrating an understanding of privacy and boundaries, two things very important to most men.

I don’t think you did anything wrong by saying hello, per se. But I wouldn’t be surprised if their polite response and nothing more had a little to do with the fact that they recognized you from real life.

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