3 Types of Men Who Are “Just Looking For Sex”

One of the more common questions I receive from female readers is how they can spot the men who are “just” seeking sex. 

My answer is simple. Don’t try and learn how to spot or avoid them. Instead, figure out how to co-exist with them. I also try to enlighten them on the different types of men that fall under the “Just Want Sex” umbrella.

First, there are the Casual Sex Seekers. These are the guys who are looking for a no strings sexual encounter. The classic sign to watch out for, that many women often fall for, is their “refreshing honesty.” They’re the guys who tell you, in the middle of what seems like a perfectly great date, that they’re not looking for anything serious at the moment. They’ll probably go further and tell you how cool/sexy/a-MAH-zing you seem and they feel like they can be honest with you about where they stand. Hear this: this is NOT a compliment. What they’re telling you is that they think you’re okay enough to sleep with, but not date.  Many women give guys points for being upfront about what they want and hook up with the guy believing his spiel about how different and unique she is. A man who admits in his dating profile that he’s not looking for anything serious is telling you who he is. Listen. Don’t make the mistake of praising him for being honest. People are supposed to be honest. If his profile is staggeringly offensive, it’s because he genuinely doesn’t care what women think of him. In a bad way. These are the men who will tell you that they think you’d make a great fuck buddy. Again this is not. a. compliment.

Next you have the Casual Relationship Seekers. Don’t be fooled by the label. These men do want a relationship. They just don’t want commitment. These men either don’t wish to agree to exclusivity or don’t have to. On top of that, we have all of the cultural and economic shifts that have played a part in women choosing to go their own way. They, too, don’t have to settle down. Like their male counterparts, they’ve begun to enjoy the benefits of romantic and sexual variety. The downside to this sexual liberation is that the value of sex has decreased in the sexual market place. That means that sex no longer can be used as a viable bargaining chip. For every one woman who chooses to hold out on sex until a man agrees to commit, there’s many others who don’t. Now men have enough options to keep them more than satisfied for the foreseeable future without having to give much up in return.

These men are looking for consistent companionship and sex. How will you be able to spot them? Only by telling them what it is you hope to come from the relationship and asking if he wants the same thing. Even then there are no guarantees that he’ll be honest.

Finally, you have the Long Term Daters. Yes, you heard right. These men actually do want a committed relationship. These guys often get confused with the Casual Sex Seekers because they choose to end the relationship soon after beginning a sexual relationship. Many women choose to believe that sex was what these men were after all along. That’s a much easier pill to swallow than admitting that maybe the man didn’t feel she lived up to his standards in some way.

While being cautious doesn’t necessarily hurt, it can lend to a false sense of security. That’s what gets women into trouble. Focus gets shifted to the innocuous and usually empty gestures. There is no amount of Facebook creeping that will save you from the Pump & Dumper. Just because he pays for all the dates doesn’t mean he’s genuinely interested. A post-coital am text after sleeping together for the first time is usually done because men know women expect that.  Much of that stuff is just a means to an end, the end being more sex.

Many women have been programmed by girlfriends to believe that being the victim of a pump a dump is the worst possible thing to happen to a single woman. You know what? That’s a lie. If anything, women need to endure this and various other dating disappointments in order to collect experiences and learn from them. There are no blue ribbons awarded at the end of our lives to the women who were pumped and dumped the least. The best thing a woman could do is tune out all the white noise they hear from friends about having sex too soon and how a man will deem you a slut for it. Have sex when you want to have sex, because you want to have sex. Those are the only rules you should follow. There are plenty of men who won’t judge you for choosing to have sex “too soon.” If they are intimidated by that, then that is about their own ego and personal insecurities. It has nothing to do with you.

The take away here should be that there really is no sure fire way to avoid men “just” looking for sex. If you’re truly afraid of encountering a man who will dump you after you sleep with him, then the only remedy for that is to stay home and never date again.

The real solution is to understand how men think. Accept the premise that men in general do not have expectations about sex other than more sex.  And, men will generally always take sex if offered or available, even if they have no special expectations or intentions about the relationship becoming “more.”  If you can commit these two points to memory, then you’ll have nothing to fear. You’ll have appropriated your expectations, thereby alleviating the potential for embarrassment or disappointment. What’s the point in having sex if you can’t fully experience and enjoy it?



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Does She Want Love or Security? (The Ballad of The 40+ Single Woman)

Name: Maria
Age: 40
State: WA
Question: Earlier this year, an Asian American actress sued imdb over revealing her age as 40 online. She had been selling herself as 26-32 years old and stopped getting work after the imdb fiasco.

You have mentioned that no one looks 10 years younger and are deluded if they think so. I too, am skeptical of women who claim to “get hit on by younger men”.

I am mixed race/part Asian and did win the genetic lottery: very young looking for 40 and I use to be a model. I am in perfect shape an overall close to a solid 8/9 ( I would rank myself higher in looks than the actress mentioned here). And also, to be honest I’ve had some plastic surgery that has added to preserving my youthful looks (most people in the business do). I know I can pass for 30 because people who sell me insurance or have no vested interest in trying to sleep with me assume that to be closer to my age.

A few years ago,I was in a relationship in which we planned to have children. The timing was bad, so we decided to freeze my eggs and also some embryos. Unfortunately we broke up last year.

I started online dating a few months ago and initially used my real age. So-so results. I changed my age to 32 and it worked like a charm. My target age range is 35-43. I am getting dates with the younger men and they are continuing to pursue me. A few times I reveal my age with mixed results. Some bail. Some stayed.

Here’s my question: I have money and can afford all the ivf treatments to have my own biological children using my frozen eggs. I fall into a very small segment of the population that can realistically pass for a decade younger. ( this is possible if you are Asian).
Is it such a crime to lie about my age by 8 years online?

I am sitting on the cutting edge of science. To me, this is the only thing that levels the playing field for aging women.  I’m not trying to land the hottest, most successful hunk. Just a regular good looking guy with a solid job who is still on the younger side.

Thanks for your advice.

I too, am skeptical of women who claim to “get hit on by younger men”.

Except you, of course. The other women who says stuff like that are crazy, amirite?

Do I think it’s a crime to lie about your age by 8 years? No. I just don’t think it will be productive for you. One or two years wouldn’t bother me. Eight years? That just makes you look sad and delusional. It’s not the dishonesty that would bother me. A revelation like that would literally make me cringe inside for you out of discomfort and embarrassment.

Of course the younger dudes that stuck around after The Big Reveal still pursue you. They think you’re sad and insecure and possibly a little crazy aka an easy target. They will take advantage of your indiscretion and use it to their advantage. That is, until they meet a woman who doesn’t lie about her age that much or is actually 32 years old. Because those are the women they want.

If you just wanted a baby, you could do that. You’re right. Science has made some amazing advancements that have helped reproductively challenged women and couples. You have the eggs. Now go get the sperm from a bank and go through with the procedure. That is, if what you really want is a baby. Personally, I think that’s crap. I think you want security.

Here’s what I hear when I read your letter. I hear a woman who isn’t sure how she’s going to take care of herself now that she’s no longer young and fresh. You had a career as a “model” at one point, but we all know that that industry favors youth. Which means you’re probably not getting as much work anymore if you’re still modeling. So now you’re having a, “Now what?” moment. The baby is more a way to land and keep the man/his paycheck. I know. I’m awful. The way you discuss your reproductive choices lacks the warmth and nurturing one typically hears when a woman laments the possibility that she might not have children. It all sounds like a means to an end for you. That reason alone is what will prevent men from wanting to make a baby with you.

I think by lying about your age that much you’re actually going to make what is already a difficult situation more dire. You’ll come off unstable in some way. No guy wants to have a baby with a woman they perceive as unstable. You will constantly be starting over with a new guy hoping this one will stick around. Maria, none of them will stick around. You want a man who might stay put? Go for the guys in their late forties to early fifties. You’re 40 and pursuing men who, sorry, simply don’t have to settle for you. They’ll date you and have sex with you, but they aren’t going to lock themselves into anything with you no matter how young you think you look. That doesn’t matter. What matters is how old you are. So learn to embrace your age and accept your situation instead of wasting more time swimming against the tide.

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What’s So Bad About Dating Someone “Good Enough?”

A comment in last night’s post got me to thinking about something.

Do we set ourselves up to fail when we expect to find one person who meets all of our needs?

Another reason why I’ve become an advocate of dating multiple people is because I don’t happen to think it’s reasonable to hold out for that ONE person who has everything we seek.  I’ve said before that I don’t believe any of those stories we hear about that woman from our office/college roommate/cousin who found love at 45 and is blissfully happy. I truly believe that that woman (or that man) compromised quite a bit. They let go of needing X, Y or Z. I do not buy into the myth that fate played its part and put that love of their life in their path or anything like that. I think 2 people met and decided, “This is good enough.” Which isn’t a bad thing.

The time for wanting that intense, makes your heart race attraction is when we’re younger. Waiting for that, I believe, is just self-sabotage. That sort of thinking is for people whose whole idea of love and relationships and commitment come from movies and TV and books and phony, exaggerated stories we heard from friends.

It’s not a coincidence that all the women who complain about not being able to find a decent guy also all the ones who are drawn to the ambitious, charming, handsome (to them) men. They want that intense attraction or the perpetual attention/validation. They don’t stop to consider that those men either have no need for commitment or monogamy or that they (the women) don’t bring enough to the table/possess too many critical flaws to get that guy to lock it down.

So, rather than just date two or three guys that satisfy their various needs, they continue to swim against the tide waiting for that one ideal guy to come along and choose them.

To what end, though? How long can someone get away with this until they’ve completely boxed themselves out or made themselves undateable?

Do you believe that there is one person out there that can satisfy and fulfill your needs?

What, for you,  are the pros and cons of dating multiple people?

 

 

 

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Even If He Pays For Everything, What Does That Prove?

Even though my lower jaw is throbbing because apparently I’m 14 with braces and my teeth are shifting, I figured I’d cause myself more angst by making these comments into a post. Who pays? Yay!

Hey guys – just curious – how much / how often do you want a woman to pay for dates once you’re past the first date? Like, what do you consider ideal? – K

For me, it depends on the woman’s finances. The primary thing is to be appreciative and not to act like you expect to be paid for. You should always sincerely offer to pay on the first few dates. Accept his response graciously. I’d say after 4-5 dates, you should intend to pay and demonstrate that by actually paying, not merely “offering” to pay or contribute. Even if he says “no, I insist,” you get the check and PAY. And, don’t buy him a slice of pizza and think you’ve discharged your end if he’s blowing hundreds on your dates. To me, that is where the rubber hits the road as they say.

Once you are dating regularly, it all depends on relative finances but if he’s doing most of the paying you need to do the above every once in a (short) while. Really, just be a human being and don’t take advantage of people. Or, accept the consequences. – DMN

How about if she makes more than you? Or, you’re pretty sure she does? Do you want her to be paying equally for things if you make about the same, and paying more for things if she makes more? Or does the guy always pay more, but the woman should contribute some too? – K

I don’t put any thought into the paying thing. I just do it. If the bill comes and he’s in the restroom,I pay it. If he pays the tab, then the next morning I go out and buy coffee and breakfast. If we agree to go to the movies I buy tix and he just naturally buys the snacks. There’s no discussion about it or hemming and hawing. I just expect to pay my share. If he insists, I make sure to cover something….a cab or another round of drinks. I just don’t even think about this stuff. If I go out, I pay my way. That’s it. I don’t understand all the thought that women put into this topic. Just pay. Take turns. In the end, why does it matter? What does it prove? – ATWYS

 

Thoughts?

 

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Why Does She Keep Attracting Unavailable Men?

Name: M
Age: 28
State: TX
Question: I’m an attractive 28 year old single girl, and I seem to attract married men or men in relationships moreso than any of my friends, and moreso than I seem to attract single men. I don’t seek out these taken men, but I have entertained their advances at times and have definitely “gone there” with a few, though never with the intention or expectation that it would turn into anything serious, because obviously I could never trust them as a boyfriend or anything but if I’m sexually attracted to them and the timing is right, you know… whatever (in one case I found myself getting attached so I ended it to prevent a truly ugly situation).

I only really ever entertain the advances of taken men because I feel like they are the only ones I ever get, and to me its just something to keep me busy until a good single guy comes along. Some of my friends have told me because I’m really confident, carefree and give off a kind of “I don’t give a fuck” attitude, this is very attractive & exciting for men who aren’t looking for something serious and are probably tired of their nagging wives/girlfriends. And they say it’s this sort of demeanor that keeps away the single guys because I just come off as someone looking for fun. But this confuses me, because at the same time everyone says guys are totally unattracted to girls who seem like they really want a boyfriend and it’s usually when you’re not looking and are content to be on your own is when people find you most attractive and I’m definitely content & confident on my own. So which one is it?? I am a little quirky, have a “strong” personality (I am told) definitely smart and have been told I’m really funny, but shouldn’t that make me equally as attractive to single men as married/taken men? Or are married men just more brave about approaching me (or any woman) because they know their status makes them sexually non-threatening and I’m the one who attracts them by actually entertaining their advances??  Why is this happening and how do I turn this tide? Please help!

I don’t seek out these taken men, but I have entertained their advances at times and have definitely “gone there” with a few.

Okay. There’s your answer as to why you “seem” to attract a lot of married or otherwise available men. These men will hit on anybody. It’s not something special or unique about you. But they pursue or push the issue with you because you entertain them. I’m not judging. While I’ve never gone the married man route, I’ve absolutely engaged and involved myself with men who had girlfriends.I liked the idea (aka the lie) of fulfilling something that the man’s girlfriend didn’t. The compliment was in the delusion that they were somehow choosing me over someone else.  It wasn’t until one particularly toxic and unfortunate situation that began almost 6 years about that still rears its ugly head to this day did I really understand how insulting and disingenuous these types of advances are. Right now, you think these men get involved with you because there’s something special about you. Something better than their “nagging” wives. Newsflash: A man could be very happily married and love his wife and still want sex with other women. The two can be mutually exclusive. That “I don’t give a fuck” attitude your friends suggest that you have? That’s not a compliment. Not from your friends and not from the men. What they are telling you is that maybe people see you as someone with no moral compass. It’s one thing to behave that way. It’s another to demonstratively show no shame in behaving that way.

These men are not honing in on your because of your carefree attitude or strong personality or sexuality. They aren’t honing in on you at all. They just take it to the next level with you because you allow it. Why do you allow it? I don’t know.Only you know that. You’ve convinced yourself that you’re so just so incredible that available men don’t have the stones to approach you. When, quite possibly, you don’t want them in the first place.

I only really ever entertain the advances of taken men because I feel like they are the only ones I ever get, and to me its just something to keep me busy until a good single guy comes along.

Maybe you don’t want a single guy? Like I said above, I’ve been in your shoes and that’s how I used to think, too. “Oh, I’m just biding my time until an available guy comes along.” There are available guys everywhere, if you look for them. But I wasn’t looking for them. I wasn’t looking for unavailable guys. I just wasn’t looking, period.

How do you turn the tide? You start by being honest with yourself about what you want and are capable of giving. There are a lot of grave mistakes that women make as they search for love. One of the biggest is the constant cognitive dissonance under which they function. They tell themselves one thing, but their behavior and actions say the complete opposite. If you truly wanted an available guy, you’d be with one. You choose unavailable men because those men work for you. Why? Well, I’ll throw out a few of possibilities. One, you like the attention and ego stroke that comes from convincing yourself you somehow are better than their wives. Two, you like your freedom and don’t need a serious commitment. You can get through life’s more trying moments on your own, but enjoy a little company now and then. Three, you like to know what you’re getting. Screwing an unavailable guy comes with instructions and an expiration date. You like that. There are no guessing games. You know it will end.

But this confuses me, because at the same time everyone says guys are totally unattracted to girls who seem like they really want a boyfriend and it’s usually when you’re not looking and are content to be on your own is when people find you most attractive and I’m definitely content & confident on my own.

Just because you’re available doesn’t mean you’re desperate. You probably are content on your own. So much so that you don’t want or need much more than that. There’s no rule that says you have to seek a relationship. I’m sure there are plenty of guys who don’t have wives or girlfriends who can deliver what it is you seek. It seems implausible to me that you don’t ever seem to meet them. They’re everywhere. Which leads me to think that there’s something specific to these entanglements with unavailable men that attracts you. Maybe it’s the understood and inevitable end. Or maybe you just don’t like other women. I don’t know.

You get something from sleeping with married men. Figure out what that is and you’ll have your course of action as to how to change the path.

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Why Do You REALLY Have Sex?

One of the About Me questions that OK Cupid asks is:

True or False: Orgasms are the most important part of sex.

My answer would be False.

Someone once asked me why I don’t seem to apply any rules or guidelines as to when I have sex with someone when I had admitted that I, like most women, don’t orgasm via intercourse. They didn’t understand the point of having sex if that was the case. I explained that people have sex for different reasons. For the most part, I think, men have sex to release the poison, as they say. But I honestly believe women have sex for a variety of reasons, and only some of them actually have to do with gratification or pleasure.

I was listening to a woman talk recently and she was going on about how some of her male friends all like to describe her as a gay man with a vagina. Because, like, she’s soooooooooo like a guy when it comes to sex and she’s omigod super sexual blah blah. Frankly, admissions like that just make me sigh and roll my eyes. I tend to think in the majority of those situations, where the woman believes she is all super hyper sexual “like a guy”, she’s basing that assumption not on how men actually are, but how she thinks they are. There are obviously men who will sleep with anything with a pulse and don’t care if they actually like the person or not and don’t get attached, etc. But only a few of those men are actually proud of that. And those men would be either be emotionally damaged assholes or average douchebags. So I’m not getting why having a similar sex drive to a man like that is something to brag about. Most men, especially those who bed women they wouldn’t be seen with in the light of day (and we’ve all done that), keep that information to them selves. For whatever reason, some women absolutely lose all ability to filter their thoughts and determine what should be said aloud and what should be kept to themselves.  When women say things like how they’re so like a guy and can have sex indiscriminately, they’re actually telling people more about themselves than they realize. With that one statement alone, they’re letting people know that their opinions and ideas of men are based upon the fact that they have abysmal taste in guys and have been pumped and dumped more times than they care to remember.

Back to the original topic…why we have sex. Like I said, I think men do it mostly to get off. But since it’s far more difficult for a woman to orgasm through intercourse alone, I have to believe that there’s something else in it for them. For men, an orgasm is pretty much guaranteed. That’s not the case for women. Which leads me to wonder what, other than an orgasm, is a woman’s pay off for having sex. My belief is that the main benefit for many (but certainly not all) women to having sex is attention and affection. The sex is a means to an end. Which would make sense since I think the women who go on about how they are so “like men” when it comes to sex are actually seeking attention when that say such things.  They think it makes them sound more attractive somehow. And it does, only that attraction doesn’t last after the guy climaxes. Then he’s likely to look at the woman as rather lonely and sad, because he knows why she said what she said: to get his attention.

Now, I don’t think it’s a bad thing to have sex when what you really want is attention or affection. Sometimes we eat when we’re depressed, but convince ourselves that we’re doing it out of hunger. The problem, in my eyes, is when people don’t know why they’re having sex.  We’ve thrown around the term “self-actualized” here a few times. Being self-actualized means having a cognitive understanding of what motivates us to do and say the things we do. There is nothing more dangerous, to me anyway, than someone who doesn’t understand what truly motivates them. They’re a liability to themselves and to other people. It’s difficult if not impossible to reason with them.

Not knowing why you’re having sex is what most often leads to inordinate expectations, hurt feelings and defensiveness.  In the moment, we ladies like to believe that we’re there with that man because we want to get off. But, and let’s be honest here, how often does that actually occur?

I guess what I don’t understand is why it’s apparently so shameful for some women to admit that we have sex for any other reason other than an orgasm. Sometimes we want to be touched, or we don’t want to feel alone, or we want to be dominated. And sometimes we just want to  feel connected to another human being. Something about the experience of being penetrated, like the initial rush of pain that we might feel upon that first tentative thrust, awakens something inside of us.

Or is it really just all about the orgasm?

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FWB, F**buddy, Casual Sex – It All Means The Same Thing

Name: Starshine
Age: 30
State: NYC
Question: I was just reading the “Connection Without Commitment” article posted on your blog and was thinking about a new category that could be added into dating websites to help clarify men and women’s intentions on these sites. How about just adding a “friends with benefits” category under the “looking for” question? That category would indicate that a person was looking for a “connection without commitment”, but more than “casual sex”, and then men and women wouldn’t have to explain their ambivalence any longer! Perfecto!

Most dating sites DO have a category for this sort of thing. It’s called “short term dating.” It’s code for “dating and having sex but without exclusivity or obligation.”

Casual sex. Friends With Benefits. F**k Buddies. These are terms that I believe were created by women. These three terms are interchangeable in my mind. There is no differentiation amongst them. They all mean the same thing.

I will have sex with you but not date you. Dress it up however you like. It all comes down to that.

You can call eat “eating ice cream.” It still has the exact same definition. To men, it’s all sex without commitment.Men don’t need to distinguish between sex with a friend versus sex with a stranger. Women do. Here again is another example of how we need to clarify and identify our relationships. The need to know what, exactly, a dynamic is or isn’t is inherently female. It’s our way of maintaining control. The issue of emotional and physical safety is used as the reasoning, but that has little to do with it. This is all about a woman’s paralyzing fear of being used.

There is no difference in my mind between a f**k buddy and a friend with benefits. That’s our way of justifying our decision to have sex with someone we know would never date us.

What does “friends with benefits” even mean? The saying implies that we have a friendship with someone, but that the only benefit is the sex. Some friendship. Most of the time, these people are not your friends. Sometimes they are. But often times they are people who would never pick up the phone to see how you are, nor would they come to your aide should you need it. Just because they ask about your day before they have sex with you doesn’t make them your friend. If they do show genuine interest in your life outside of the times that you’re beneath them naked, then you’re dating. Unfortunately, you’re dating someone who isn’t emotionally functional enough to admit that to themselves.

F**k buddy is another bogus term women use to describe a guy that they sleep with who shows no signs of care or interest in them. We use this term so that we can feel empowered.  It implies that we are capable of having sex without getting attached and devoid of emotion and don’t care whether or not the person we’re sleeping with gives a flying fart about us.  We are being used and we know it. We’re simply trying to flip the script and make it out like we’re the ones kicking them out of bed, when really they’re already dressed by the time we come down from our orgasm. We conjure up these beliefs in our head so we have something to talk about. Seriously. It’s all about creating drama and phony intimacy and feeling a fake sense of empowerment. It’s an illusion. All of it.

Yes, sometimes we are using these men right back, you’ll say. I know. But how often is that really the case? And why would we want to use somebody? And why would you want to have sex with someone that you knew didn’t care for or probably even like you?

Why are we so proud of our supposed ability to “use” a man? I’ll tell you why. Because we like to believe we are somehow punishing them. Let me enlighten you about something.  They don’t care why you’re having sex with them or what your agenda is. They will let you believe whatever you want, as long as it gets them laid and there is very little hassle involved.  That’s the difference. That’s where we are fooling ourselves.

Most men don’t consciously set out to “use” women. Some do. But most men don’t have sex with a woman with the intention of never seeing her again. The decision to do that comes AFTER the sex has occurred. Before that point there are too many unknown variables like whether or not she’s good in bed, does she get clingy or attach expectations, etc. If it’s good and she doesn’t freak out, they’ll come back for more.

Even if these sites did have a category that was more specific, few men would actually use it. They know it will impede their ability to meet women. That doesn’t mean they’re being dishonest. They’re just not willing to be totally honest. (Frankly, nobody should be that honest in their dating profile.) They are playing their odds, saying what needs to be said and doing what needs to be done.

Repeat after me: I t all means nothing until it means everything. That should be your mantra.

Approach every interaction knowing this and you won’t need a silly label.

 

 

 

 

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He Won’t Pay for Dates Until They’re Exclusive – Agree or Disagree?

I’ve been dating this guy for the past 3 weeks.  He seems sweet and shy.  When we are together we have a great time and are able to hold great conversations.  The chemistry seems to be there as he makes suggestions to hold my hand when we are walking around during our dates and the kissing just gives me the butterflies in my stomach.  However….two main issues have been a bit troublesome for me.  After our 1st date he suggested we take turns paying for our dates.  That was a big WOW for me.  I am a very giving person  and tend to help out on paying for dates but after 3 or 4 dates have passed.  Well, long story short I agreed to it.  Especially since he spoke with me about his past dates taking advantage of him financially and his last girlfriend was dependent on him financially.  He basically paid her personal bills.  This is new for me but it seems taking turns paying for our outings has eased him.  The bigger issue for me is that he is dating other women, including me.  I know that we are not exclusive but…  I have been use to the one on one dating routine I have had with other men.  I have been use to that if it doesn’t work out well then we can cut our loses and move on to dating others and end things.  I had this conversation with him and he states that he prefers to date me and openly date other women because we are not yet exclusive.  He states when we are then the situation will be one on one.   Am I conservative in my thinking or is it far fetched now a days to expect a guy to do the one on one dating and not date other women until we figure out what can happen between us? – Annabelle, NYC  – 38

This is new for me but it seems taking turns paying for our outings has eased him.  The bigger issue for me is that he is dating other women, including me.

So, he’s choosing not to spend money on you until you and he are exclusive? Hmmm. That sounds eerily familiar. Where have I heard that before? Oh. Right. From 75% of the women who have written in saying they won’t have sex with a guy until they are exclusive. Now you know how men feel. It’s all feels very quid pro quo, doesn’t it? That’s dating in this city and many others. The man is keeping his options open and refusing to spend too much money on any woman until he decides that he’s ready to be exclusive. What’s funny is that when a man does this, a woman dubs him “cheap.” But when a woman holds off on having sex with a man until she gets exclusivity or a promise of something more, she’s considered “prudent.”

Yes, I think you’re being conservative in your thinking. I hate to be the one to burst your bubble, but I can assure you that some if not all of those men you thought were engaging in a “one on one” dating situation weren’t. They just didn’t make the mistake of telling you that. Or they were smart and, if you asked, lied. Just like a woman should skirt the truth if a man asks her the same question. Bottom line is that neither parties want to know.

No guy wants to know that he’s paying for meals and drinks for a woman who is going out with other men who are doing the exact same thing for her. It makes him feel like a fool. And who wants to date a fool? I was reading this blog the other day, the one with the “Nominate a Date” campaign, and questioned out loud how this woman ever thought she would find a guy perfectly okay with knowing she was being treated to expensive outings by various men. We all know that the people we date are probably dating others. Especially if we meet them online. But we don’t want to know it. It makes it harder for us to justify spending the money or having the sexy time.

There are some questions that just should not be asked this soon in the dating process. “Are you dating anyone else” would be one of them. Any person who asks that question or offers up that information so soon in the dating process has very poor dating skills. So take note and heed that warning.

I am a very giving person  and tend to help out on paying for dates but after 3 or 4 dates have passed.

Right. And guys prefer that they get to get a blow job before they pay for 3 or 4 dates. Crass? Yes. Honest? Yes. Point? It’s not all about you.

I’m not sure what it is you gain from a man paying for 3 or 4 dates other than the delusion that that means, for sure,  he’s totally into you or not going to have sex with you and never call. Thoughts like this are to women what a woobie (blanket) is to a child. They provide nothing but a false sense of security. Women need to understand that if a man is that desperate for sex, money is no object. A sucker will take you out 4 times and pay every time without any sort of reciprocation because, well, he has to.

A man with a backbone will take you out on 4 dates, pay every time, but have sex with other women while he waits for you to decide it’s safe to reach in to your wallet or have sex. Then he’ll either dump you strictly on principle or continue sleeping with you and those other women and never offer you more than that.

 

 

 

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When Do You Let Go Of The Fantasy?

Name: Jessica
State: NY
Age: 30
Comment: I would love a brutally honest assessment of my predicament from objective third parties please.I’ve been dating in NYC for the last ten years, I had always been into NY men: educated, intelligent, etc. But with age and experience, him having to be respectful, treat me well, call me, introduce me to his inner circle, etc. also became very important. I am also one of those people who say that NYC is their better half and that it’s the best place for them (although I live in a rent stabilized apartment on the UES, so it’s not like I am flushed with cash).

I’ve always considered myself a city person. I grew up in a metropolitan area (admittedly, not as big as NYC) and have never driven a car to get to places (I can barely drive), always liked being around crowds, buildings, cultural places and always felt uneasy when I had to briefly leave for the suburbs: no people, houses-and-trees-and-cars lifestyle and images really tainted my mood and seemed like something I never wanted for myself. I always wanted to stay in the city, even when I had kids. I kind of knew that finding a man in Manhattan who I would both fall in love with and who would fall in love with me and who would have an apartment big enough to raise a family was rather a delusion, but was willing to somehow work around it (move to a good area in Bkln, etc.), especially that I myself don’t make anywhere near what you’d have to be making to afford housing with kids in the city.

I’ve had a few serious relationships, the last three (ranging from a few months to 1 1/2years) with Manhattan men who either rented or owned. Those were normal relationships with mutual respect. However none of them turned into a marriage.

Now I am very much marriage/kids-minded. I recently met a man who treats me really well and who seems to have the same kind of thing on his mind. We are both emotionally invested at this point but on my end, it’s more the appreciation of his character and the way he treats me than infatuation or crazy passion. Which is okay because from what I hear crazy passion isn’t the basis of a family life. So it’s not one of those “he doesn’t give me butterflies” confessions.The thing is my boyfriend lives in the suburbs, and I mean it’s almost two hours driving out or, if you are lucky, 1:45minutes or so, and there is a train that you have to drive from to his house that stops in his town, and nothing else, no other way to commute. In the beginning when I found out (we met at the Met Museum) that he was from the suburbs, although I liked him, I almost turned him down but he was so nice and always commuted to NYC for our dates and dropped me off that it won me over to the extent where I wanted to go out on subsequent dates and see where it was going to go.

Most things about our relationship are great, and we get along very well. The only thing I am concerned about is the lifestyle and the commute. It would be a major, drastic change for me and somehow I get the feeling that I won’t be able to embrace the change and change my lifestyle preferences. It worries me a lot. Commuting is a big headache too, especially that I work a typical 9:30-5 in the city. Most and foremost the concept of suburban living is very alien to me, and even upsets me when I try to think about it as something to live with indefinitely. My boyfriend is also very clear about not wanting to move to a metropolitan area, I mean ever.

Is this my preference (and not the fact that he is family oriented, he owns his house, treats me really well, is financially secure, etc)normal or am I being crazy and not realistic? After all, I dated all those Manhattan men, and nothing came out of it in terms of family/kids? Am I being spoiled and too picky, because, after all, the real America all lives like that – suburbs, houses and driving everywhere? Or is it just a normal trait of my personality? I’ve thought so much about it, and don’t know at this point. I really don’t want to lose my relationship with a great, caring, financially stable man to my distorted ideal of Manhattan life, and end up getting more and more into my 30′s waiting for something that might never come my way.

Thanks

 

I have to say that you don’t sound terribly attracted or into this guy. You sound…comfortable. Which is not the same as happy.

The differences in lifestyle choices is also a huge concern.  You clearly don’t want to live outside the city. Do I agree with you that you are delusional if you think you’re going to find one of those guys who can afford to live and raise children in Manhattan or Brooklyn?  I don’t know. How many kids are we talking here? One? Eh, that’s doable. More than that? I don’t know.  I’ve never really thought about that so I don’t know how helpful my input on this particular topic would be.

What I will say is that you seem to have this romanticized idea of living in Manhattan or Brooklyn. Other than the issue about not driving, much of your reasoning sounds rather disingenuous. I believe that you believe that those are your reasons for wanting to be here and I believe you believe they are valid. To me, they sound kind of , well, silly. You like buildings and crowds? Really? I walk up 86th Street on my way to the gym and I want to punch myself in the face repeatedly because of how congested it is.

I think you like the idea of what living in a city like Manhattan means.  Right now, you’re swept up in the lifestyle. But come on. You and I live in the same part of town, both in rent stabilized apartments, etc. This life? Not so glamorous. There are glimmers of glamor, but that’s really it. For the most part it’s kinda boring. It sure ain’t fancy.

That all said, I don’t blame you for not wanting to do the commute. I also get the desire to be around more “citified” people. I get the same way you do when I go home.

I think that you’re 30 years old in Manhattan. If you’re reasonably attractive and sane, you shouldn’t have  a problem finding a guy here in the city. Now, whether he’s going to want to fulfill your Miranda Hobbs/Charlotte York-inspired fantasy of raising a family here in Manhattan is a different story. Much like Miranda, you’re going to have to get over that whole “I’m a city girl” thing. Because unless you are a knockout, the chances of you meeting a heart surgeon or lawyer who puts you up in a pricey apartment where you raise your gaggle of kids are slim. Not to mention the guys who make that kind of bank are hardly ever around. They’re too bust working.

Let’s face it. Manhattan and even Brooklyn is expensive. We live here for the convenience, not the culture. Add kids to that mix and you’re talking a lot of money. Eventually people move from here to a suburb to raise their kids. And honestly? Everybody I’ve ever met who was raised in Manhattan has always seemed kind of pretentious and lacking any real concept of real life. They never seem able to adapt or function anywhere but Manhattan. That’s not a good thing.

Eventually, you’re going to have to let go of the fantasy and acknowledge that what you want might not be attainable. You should also consider the real possibility that the fantasy will not measure up to the dream you have built up in your head. You’ve got a few years left where you can flit around and meet men at The Met and go to trendy hot spots and dream of the days you pick your kids up from Spence or Browning. But you don’t want to end up 35, 38, 40 and still trying to emulate some idealized version of real life. Guys can smell women like that a mile away, and they tend to avoid those types. Or at least not take them very seriously.

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Any Port In a Storm – The Argument for Sleeping With Married People

Im going to throw this topic at you …multiple part question….and see how you tackle it.  :)
BEING SINGLE ..and SLEEPING WITH MARRIED PEOPLE.

Setting aside religious beliefs, Is it right ?  Is it wrong ?  Do you believe in the whole karma aspect ?
If you’re SINGLE and consort with and sleep with married people, is it preventing you from having a REAL relationship of your own ??  (Keep in mind, I am FINE with being single and happy.  I’m 38 and would LIKE to be in a relationship with the RIGHT person, but until THAT person comes along, I will keep doing what I’m doing  :)    )

Here is My theory:
My whole outlook about married women is: If I WANT to enjoy fucking so n so …and she is making herself available to Me …WHY not? Whether it’s only once ..or once a month, just like a good dinner or fine wine,  I like to indulge. :) :)

I can’t sit there and worry about HER marriage and why she feels the need to stray etc. Im DEF NOT the type to break up a marriage and DEF never have ..in fact, I feel my sleeping with these women HELPS their marriage.  Why?  Because they are obviously lacking SOMETHING in their relationship (not necessarily the sex)  So, if I provide whatever that may be and they are more content as a WHOLE.  They now go home and are happier people.  Miserable people tend to bail and break up.  Content people tend to hang in there.

Women make LOTS of mistakes lol ..BUT when a woman KNOWS what she wants ..she knowsss what she wants. She may not be able to UNdo (or may not WANT to UNdo the mistake of picking the wrong guy to marry..due to kids, finances, etc.) BUT she CAN choose who to fuck that makes her feel how she WANTS to feel. Enter: Me. lol  (..and I dont necessarily mean make her feel JUST physically …because when it comes to me ..its more of a connection that has nothing to do WITH sex …but eventually leads TO sex :) :) )

I look forward to hearing your thoughts, Moxie !  :)
~H

Okay, Andrew Dice Lay. I’ll take this challenge. :)

My whole outlook about married women is: If I WANT to enjoy fucking so n so …and she is making herself available to Me …WHY not?

This might not be popular, but I agree that you are not responsible for someone else’s marriage. You’re not the one who took the vows, they are. Do I believe in karma? Yep. I sure do. Listen, we can excuse it all we like. But we know that we are partaking in something that, if discovered, could destroy a relationship and someone’s ability to ever fully trust again. So while you’re not responsible for her marriage, you are responsible for your participation and the potential fall out from that. We tell ourselves whatever we need to, because usually we’re doing it for our own selfish reasons.

I feel my sleeping with these women HELPS their marriage.  Why?  Because they are obviously lacking SOMETHING in their relationship (not necessarily the sex)

I disagree with this. I think there are plenty of people – men and women – out there who cheat on their spouses for no other reason than they can and they want to have sex with someone else. I believe that many people are capable of compartmentalizing various aspects of their relationships and their lives. Meaning, they can engage in a sexual relationship with someone who isn’t their spouse and not feel guilty about it and, in some cases, actually feel entitled to it. They do it strictly because they want to. Their spouse could be servicing them nightly. They could have the strongest of emotional bonds. There doesn’t have to be a lack of  anything to compel some people to cheat. Well, that’s not true. What their primary relationship lacks is variety. Funny thing, that marriage. Traditionally it doesn’t allow you to screw other people.
I do agree that in some cases infidelity is a sign of trouble. There’s a disconnect somewhere. There have been studies saying that taking a lover can actually help your relationship. Personally, I think it’s because the guilt from cheating actually makes people remember why they fell in love with that person in the first place. They become so afraid of losing that person that they do what they can to rectify the situation – be more attentive or communicative, etc.  I feel that a lot of people who cheat want to get caught just so they’re partner will finally acknowledge and discuss the problems in their relationship.
Miserable people tend to bail and break up.  Content people tend to hang in there.
Wow. I totally disagree. When it’s between their own personal misery and the potential misery of their children or possible financial ruin, you’d be surprised how many people stick it out or try to fix their marriage.  You have a really limited view and understanding of marriage. Miserable couple stay together all the time. They just find work arounds to help them get through it.

If you’re SINGLE and consort with and sleep with married people, is it preventing you from having a REAL relationship of your own ??  (Keep in mind, I am FINE with being single and happy.  I’m 38 and would LIKE to be in a relationship with the RIGHT person, but until THAT person comes along, I will keep doing what I’m doing  :)    )

I think it depends on why you’re engaging in that particular relationship. If you’re in it strictly for the sex, then I don’t think it will prevent you from meeting someone else. That is, unless the sex is so good that all other sex pales in comparison.  If you’re getting something out of these relationships other than physical gratification, then yes, I think engaging in such arrangements will get in the way. These arrangements are placebos of sorts. They keep us going and convince of things that aren’t necessarily real or true. But we engage in these no strings situations anyway, knowing they might hurt us or keep us further from our goal. We get lonely, we’re lacking the stimulation and attention that having a partner provides. I’m certainly not justifying those instances where we get involved with someone who is taken. But loneliness is a powerful motivator sometimes. It can encourage someone to do just about anything if they don’t have the proper coping skills in place at that moment.

Women make LOTS of mistakes lol ..BUT when a woman KNOWS what she wants ..she knowsss what she wants. She may not be able to UNdo (or may not WANT to UNdo the mistake of picking the wrong guy to marry..due to kids, finances, etc.) BUT she CAN choose who to fuck that makes her feel how she WANTS to feel. Enter: Me. lol (..and I dont necessarily mean make her feel JUST physically …because when it comes to me ..its more of a connection that has nothing to do WITH sex …but eventually leads TO sex :) :) )

Just from reading your letter, there seems to be something about being The Go To Guy for these women that works for you. You like the idea of being their stud. So much so that you believe what they tell you.

Here’s the thing about people who cheat:

They lie.

They will say whatever it is they think will keep their side dish providing whatever it is that they want. Sure, maybe you’re giving it to them in ways their husbands don’t. Maybe you’re more well endowed. Whatever. They’re appealing to your ego because they feel like they have to. They know that’s why you’re doing it. It’s not just about the sex for you, I don’t think. It’s about the attention, how these women make you feel.

I think you want to believe whatever it is that makes you feel special to these women. You tell yourself, or maybe believe them when they say, that there’s something broken about their marriage. That way you can feel like a Savior of sorts. It could very well be that these women are married to men who are never around, who don’t pay them attention, etc. What you’re not getting is that they’re reaching out to you because they’re hurt. Or bored. Or horny. You’re just a port in a storm. Not so romantic or sexy when you realize it could be any warm body they’re lying next to, is it?

So this connection you say you form with them? It’s likely all in your head. It has nothing to do with you and everything to do with them and their relationship with their husband.  You’re filler. They’re actions are reactions to how their husbands make them feel and not so much how you make them feel. To put it bluntly, you ain’t that special. In some cases, they don’t even realize that. Anything to keep them from feeling what they’re feeling or not feeling.

Don’t kid yourself in to think you’re providing something their husband isn’t. That might be the case sometimes, but not always.

That just might be how you justify doing it in the first place.

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